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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 9, 2020 6:50:27 GMT
Lockdown...how long will it go on for? I've maintained that it will last until June from the outset. (Shorter than that would probably surprise me more than longer)
I think they will say another 3 weeks and then review it after then, maybe Tuesday 5th (day after BH).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 6:58:28 GMT
I was reading something yesterday which said that visits to hospital A&E have dropped by 50% during the current crisis. This demonstrates that many people visit A&E for no real reason. I hope the NHS use this crisis to make real changes. In the future, if someone visits A&E without a valid reason, they should be told to leave and see their GP. Next time we hear about waiting times in A&E and that the NHS needs more money to cope with this we should remember this statistic. People have to learn that the hospital A&E department is not some form of 'drop in GP surgery'. The NHS have to drop the concept that they treat anyone that comes through the door. They have to get real, get tough, and turn away people that arrive when they have no right to be there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 9:27:52 GMT
Lockdown...how long will it go on for? I've maintained that it will last until June from the outset. (Shorter than that would probably surprise me more than longer) I think they will say another 3 weeks and then review it after then, maybe Tuesday 5th (day after BH). Other European countries, even Italy, are talking about reducing lockdown measures by the end of April, yet we seem to be being fluffed for an announcement of an indefinite date for any sort of gradual reduction of curbs of freedom. Germany, who have followed the WHO advice to the letter, are talking about reducing the lockdown as early as after Easter. We’ll probably hang on til June while the economy goes to sh** and people lose any chance they have of having jobs to go back to after the furlough. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 9:42:24 GMT
I think the politicians are just following the advice from the scientists. It is easy to talk about possibly reducing the lockdown, but we all know what the reaction will be from the MSM if those dates are not met. It's probably best not to offer a date, but if a reduction in the lockdown is possible at any point then I have no doubt it will happen.
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Post by Gassy on Apr 9, 2020 10:13:43 GMT
Not sure how we can even consider stopping the lock down when just yesterday we recorded our largest death toll, with numbers likely to break the European record.
We are revising (like most other countries) on Monday. Hopefully we will probably extend by another 2/3 weeks and then by end of April, presuming everyone stays in line, we could slowly start opening non-essential shops again. The introduction of a working antibody test would assist with this too.
If anyone here thinks Italy will just remove all measures at the click of the fingers then they really need to read a bit more into the situation.
The important thing is not to have another spike. You only need one gathering of people for a spike to come again and we got full lock down again.
Germany is obviously the gold standard and have done everything right from Day 1. Tbh, it started before Day 1 - Germany are just a country who have their sh** sorted out compared to the rest of the world.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 9, 2020 10:46:15 GMT
8 more weeks I reckon until total freedoms reintroduced. They may relax certain things in the meantime. Too early and it will all be for nothing and we will just get a second spike and have to do it all over again.
Depends on how manageable the daily volume becomes with current restrictions in play when we eventually plateau.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 10:51:17 GMT
Not sure how we can even consider stopping the lock down when just yesterday we recorded our largest death toll, with numbers likely to break the European record. We are revising (like most other countries) on Monday. Hopefully we will probably extend by another 2/3 weeks and then by end of April, presuming everyone stays in line, we could slowly start opening non-essential shops again. The introduction of a working antibody test would assist with this too. If anyone here thinks Italy will just remove all measures at the click of the fingers then they really need to read a bit more into the situation. The important thing is not to have another spike. You only need one gathering of people for a spike to come again and we got full lock down again. Germany is obviously the gold standard and have done everything right from Day 1. Tbh, it started before Day 1 - Germany are just a country who have their sh** sorted out compared to the rest of the world. Yeah to clarify Italy are only talking about reducing their measures not fully going back to business as usual. And I was neglecting the fact that we are in a different position where our transmission rates are slowing but have not as much as Italy or Spain have where they are arguably around their peak. I do take issue with the death count though- that statistic is days behind and are people who are already ill. People are going to die- that’s just the way it is, the new infections is really the only statistic that matters when it comes to the effect that the virus is having on society. As said earlier in the thread we need to channel a bit of Josef Stalin here. Any death is of course a tragedy but during a pandemic it is, sadly, just a number on a screen and even though they are actual lives that number should not be invested in in the way it seems to be amongst the public. Let’s stay at home to keep the number of new cases down, that will, naturally, bring the number of deaths down by it’s own accord. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 10:55:25 GMT
8 more weeks I reckon until total freedoms reintroduced. They may relax certain things in the meantime. Too early and it will all be for nothing and we will just get a second spike and have to do it all over again. Depends on how manageable the daily volume becomes with current restrictions in play when we eventually plateau. Jeeez that would take us to the end of May. I could just about retain my sanity til then. Retain my sanity in the sense that lockdown is okay, but I am concerned for my job if this goes on long term. If things spin out Into June and beyond then I worry for the economy that everything will be going back to. How many furloughs will become redundancies if this spirals into summer? We will then be reaching a point where the damage to the economy is of as significance as the physical damage of the virus. |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 9, 2020 12:58:39 GMT
Not sure how we can even consider stopping the lock down when just yesterday we recorded our largest death toll, with numbers likely to break the European record. We are revising (like most other countries) on Monday. Hopefully we will probably extend by another 2/3 weeks and then by end of April, presuming everyone stays in line, we could slowly start opening non-essential shops again. The introduction of a working antibody test would assist with this too. If anyone here thinks Italy will just remove all measures at the click of the fingers then they really need to read a bit more into the situation. The important thing is not to have another spike. You only need one gathering of people for a spike to come again and we got full lock down again. Germany is obviously the gold standard and have done everything right from Day 1. Tbh, it started before Day 1 - Germany are just a country who have their sh** sorted out compared to the rest of the world. Yeah to clarify Italy are only talking about reducing their measures not fully going back to business as usual. And I was neglecting the fact that we are in a different position where our transmission rates are slowing but have not as much as Italy or Spain have where they are arguably around their peak. I do take issue with the death count though- that statistic is days behind and are people who are already ill. People are going to die- that’s just the way it is, the new infections is really the only statistic that matters when it comes to the effect that the virus is having on society. As said earlier in the thread we need to channel a bit of Josef Stalin here. Any death is of course a tragedy but during a pandemic it is, sadly, just a number on a screen and even though they are actual lives that number should not be invested in in the way it seems to be amongst the public. Let’s stay at home to keep the number of new cases down, that will, naturally, bring the number of deaths down by it’s own accord. Yeah agreed. Deaths are roughly about 2 weeks behind where the cases are realistically, whilst the cases are getting there slowly - it's still very slow progress. IMO we need to be getting new cases at about 500 per day maximum before we should start to loosen any measures |
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Post by inee on Apr 9, 2020 15:00:30 GMT
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Post by inee on Apr 9, 2020 15:04:35 GMT
8 more weeks I reckon until total freedoms reintroduced. They may relax certain things in the meantime. Too early and it will all be for nothing and we will just get a second spike and have to do it all over again. Depends on how manageable the daily volume becomes with current restrictions in play when we eventually plateau. Jeeez that would take us to the end of May. I could just about retain my sanity til then. Retain my sanity in the sense that lockdown is okay, but I am concerned for my job if this goes on long term. If things spin out Into June and beyond then I worry for the economy that everything will be going back to. How many furloughs will become redundancies if this spirals into summer? We will then be reaching a point where the damage to the economy is of as significance as the physical damage of the virus. gas356 , do us a favour if it starts becomes to much for you or theres sudden mood shifts get in touch fer a chat, or give the samaritans a ring thats what they are there for, i see many people across various forums are starting to get on a downer, i see many here following suit, so please anyone who is getting strained n stressed. remember you are not alone |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 9, 2020 15:17:52 GMT
8 more weeks I reckon until total freedoms reintroduced. They may relax certain things in the meantime. Too early and it will all be for nothing and we will just get a second spike and have to do it all over again. Depends on how manageable the daily volume becomes with current restrictions in play when we eventually plateau. Jeeez that would take us to the end of May. I could just about retain my sanity til then. Retain my sanity in the sense that lockdown is okay, but I am concerned for my job if this goes on long term. If things spin out Into June and beyond then I worry for the economy that everything will be going back to. How many furloughs will become redundancies if this spirals into summer? We will then be reaching a point where the damage to the economy is of as significance as the physical damage of the virus. I know it's easy for me to say and am in no way playing down your genuine fears but you just cant think like that. Not yet. It's really bad at the moment and for the next couple of weeks it's going to get worse. What is important to you will be your health and the health of those around you. Trust me when I say that heaven forbid you did get sick, you would not worry about work for a single second. I know that's easy to say but I promise you its true. Focus on staying healthy and protecting your family. Get involved in the community effort to help others where you can and where it is safe. We are all in the same boat and we can absolutely beat this if we all pull together (with a 2m gap (!) ). |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 21:51:43 GMT
Jeeez that would take us to the end of May. I could just about retain my sanity til then. Retain my sanity in the sense that lockdown is okay, but I am concerned for my job if this goes on long term. If things spin out Into June and beyond then I worry for the economy that everything will be going back to. How many furloughs will become redundancies if this spirals into summer? We will then be reaching a point where the damage to the economy is of as significance as the physical damage of the virus. gas356 , do us a favour if it starts becomes to much for you or theres sudden mood shifts get in touch fer a chat, or give the samaritans a ring thats what they are there for, i see many people across various forums are starting to get on a downer, i see many here following suit, so please anyone who is getting strained n stressed. remember you are not alone Thanks for the concern mate, but I was being a bit flippant with my language! I am sure I personally will live through this (virus itself permitting of course) I just worry what the world will look like when we emerge from this. How many of us will still have jobs? I don’t think it will be a flick of a switch and everything is normal. There will be considerable upheaval for some, maybe most, of us. But yes, I echo your sentiment- absolutely people going through hardship need to do their best to talk about it. Don’t internalise it. It’s one thing losing people to an indiscriminate virus, it’s another thing losing people who could see no other way out of the economic, or personal, damage wrought by this bloody virus. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 21:56:33 GMT
Jeeez that would take us to the end of May. I could just about retain my sanity til then. Retain my sanity in the sense that lockdown is okay, but I am concerned for my job if this goes on long term. If things spin out Into June and beyond then I worry for the economy that everything will be going back to. How many furloughs will become redundancies if this spirals into summer? We will then be reaching a point where the damage to the economy is of as significance as the physical damage of the virus. I know it's easy for me to say and am in no way playing down your genuine fears but you just cant think like that. Not yet. It's really bad at the moment and for the next couple of weeks it's going to get worse. What is important to you will be your health and the health of those around you. Trust me when I say that heaven forbid you did get sick, you would not worry about work for a single second. I know that's easy to say but I promise you its true. Focus on staying healthy and protecting your family. Get involved in the community effort to help others where you can and where it is safe. We are all in the same boat and we can absolutely beat this if we all pull together (with a 2m gap (!) ). Oh I hear you! But do you have an explanation you can hazard a guess at for why we are so far behind Europe in terms of looking at relaxing the measures? Even the likes of Spain are talking about the hard road back starting just after Easter. These are countries that have adjoining borders too. Is there an element of us doubling down rather than talking of easing off because we are waiting to see if Europe experiences a double peak? I mean fair enough for us not to discuss it while we “flatten our curve” but it surprises me that the government are openly talking about lockdown being in place for the foreseeable future (ie at least til end of May) when Mainland Europe will likely be at least partially open for business long before then. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 9, 2020 22:14:50 GMT
I know it's easy for me to say and am in no way playing down your genuine fears but you just cant think like that. Not yet. It's really bad at the moment and for the next couple of weeks it's going to get worse. What is important to you will be your health and the health of those around you. Trust me when I say that heaven forbid you did get sick, you would not worry about work for a single second. I know that's easy to say but I promise you its true. Focus on staying healthy and protecting your family. Get involved in the community effort to help others where you can and where it is safe. We are all in the same boat and we can absolutely beat this if we all pull together (with a 2m gap (!) ). Oh I hear you! But do you have an explanation you can hazard a guess at for why we are so far behind Europe in terms of looking at relaxing the measures? Even the likes of Spain are talking about the hard road back starting just after Easter. These are countries that have adjoining borders too. Is there an element of us doubling down rather than talking of easing off because we are waiting to see if Europe experiences a double peak? I mean fair enough for us not to discuss it while we “flatten our curve” but it surprises me that the government are openly talking about lockdown being in place for the foreseeable future (ie at least til end of May) when Mainland Europe will likely be at least partially open for business long before then. As I understand it we are about 2-3 weeks behind the likes of Spain and Italy in the cycle, they started seeing cases before us. |
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Post by inee on Apr 9, 2020 23:30:58 GMT
gas356 , do us a favour if it starts becomes to much for you or theres sudden mood shifts get in touch fer a chat, or give the samaritans a ring thats what they are there for, i see many people across various forums are starting to get on a downer, i see many here following suit, so please anyone who is getting strained n stressed. remember you are not alone Thanks for the concern mate, but I was being a bit flippant with my language! I am sure I personally will live through this (virus itself permitting of course) I just worry what the world will look like when we emerge from this. How many of us will still have jobs? I don’t think it will be a flick of a switch and everything is normal. There will be considerable upheaval for some, maybe most, of us. But yes, I echo your sentiment- absolutely people going through hardship need to do their best to talk about it. Don’t internalise it. It’s one thing losing people to an indiscriminate virus, it’s another thing losing people who could see no other way out of the economic, or personal, damage wrought by this bloody virus. That's cool fella, there will be a few more of these types of post from me as i know quite a few on here suffer various mental health issues, i also know how quickly some can go from 0 to mental in a very short time. I said before the isolation is fine with me as i really don't mind not seeing people , i always loved being grounded as for me it was a good way to get stuff done(parent always moody as grounding had no effect on me) . I will always tell people to reach out to the gas family as i know that without them me n wend would not be here now. Whats twisting my nipples at present is police and government deciding what shops can open, i feel they don't realise or understand that hobbies etc can stave off mental illness in these situations as everyone needs different things to keep their spirits up. It kinda puts this virus into perspective when big jock posted about one of our own being a victim of the virus ,i also saw a bit on the web about a lfc fan who said online he was in agony and 3 days later was gone, i said to wend if i get it i would prefer to be one of those who goes quickly. Whats getting to me atm is the kids who are dying as they haven't had a chance in this Dam world yet, just typing this i'n weeping, as a it's wrong and b i know the hell those parents will go through, the absolute pain and guilt they will feel even though its not their fault, the struggle they will have everyday forever. I know well how people can get to feeling suicidal so quickly, if only they could realise just how important they are to their families n friends, it's not a nice place to be but people can bounce back. I also think it's high time the army are deployed , everyone breaking the distancing and quarantine should be neck shot and left to rot in the gutter ,those people don't give a fuc k about anyone but themselves are probably responsible for the deaths of many ,so shoot em they dont give a fuc k about you so why give a f**k about them. Best stop there for a bit |
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Post by inee on Apr 9, 2020 23:42:31 GMT
Jeeez that would take us to the end of May. I could just about retain my sanity til then. Retain my sanity in the sense that lockdown is okay, but I am concerned for my job if this goes on long term. If things spin out Into June and beyond then I worry for the economy that everything will be going back to. How many furloughs will become redundancies if this spirals into summer? We will then be reaching a point where the damage to the economy is of as significance as the physical damage of the virus. I know it's easy for me to say and am in no way playing down your genuine fears but you just cant think like that. Not yet. It's really bad at the moment and for the next couple of weeks it's going to get worse. What is important to you will be your health and the health of those around you. Trust me when I say that heaven forbid you did get sick, you would not worry about work for a single second. I know that's easy to say but I promise you its true. Focus on staying healthy and protecting your family. Get involved in the community effort to help others where you can and where it is safe. We are all in the same boat and we can absolutely beat this if we all pull together (with a 2m gap (!) ). Surely a quarantine for a few more months is of benefit as who knows what will have abroad when they relax ,will there be a second wave, Another few questions for you on the subject of washing hands would it be better from a logical point of view to use washing up liquid as that breaks up fat quicker than soap. Would uvc be of benefit to use on the surfaces we use a lot ,again would a washing up liquid wipe down be beneficial; to clean surfaces with as well I read somewhere that ipa with a concentration of 33% would quickly breakdown the virus, is there any truth in this .+ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 0:22:17 GMT
Oh I hear you! But do you have an explanation you can hazard a guess at for why we are so far behind Europe in terms of looking at relaxing the measures? Even the likes of Spain are talking about the hard road back starting just after Easter. These are countries that have adjoining borders too. Is there an element of us doubling down rather than talking of easing off because we are waiting to see if Europe experiences a double peak? I mean fair enough for us not to discuss it while we “flatten our curve” but it surprises me that the government are openly talking about lockdown being in place for the foreseeable future (ie at least til end of May) when Mainland Europe will likely be at least partially open for business long before then. As I understand it we are about 2-3 weeks behind the likes of Spain and Italy in the cycle, they started seeing cases before us. Totally reasonable....but even so we’d be looking at mid May then surely? The message we are getting seems to be that we are under lockdown for the short to medium term (I get the impression the end of May at the earliest) so I still don’t see why we are *so* far behind unless the government are purposely holding back with an eye to seeing if there is a relapse in Europe. No problem with that, but every extra week threatens jobs... |
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Post by baggins on Apr 10, 2020 6:17:47 GMT
As I understand it we are about 2-3 weeks behind the likes of Spain and Italy in the cycle, they started seeing cases before us. Totally reasonable....but even so we’d be looking at mid May then surely? The message we are getting seems to be that we are under lockdown for the short to medium term (I get the impression the end of May at the earliest) so I still don’t see why we are *so* far behind unless the government are purposely holding back with an eye to seeing if there is a relapse in Europe. No problem with that, but every extra week threatens jobs... I think Spain has extended it's lockdown to April 25th. It hasn't said that after that date it's back up and running but that's the next date for review. We're 2 weeks behind which I think takes us up to May 9th? We were also due to have our review this coming Monday but I think I heard last night that that's been put back to the end of next week. |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 10, 2020 8:04:00 GMT
Thanks for the concern mate, but I was being a bit flippant with my language! I am sure I personally will live through this (virus itself permitting of course) I just worry what the world will look like when we emerge from this. How many of us will still have jobs? I don’t think it will be a flick of a switch and everything is normal. There will be considerable upheaval for some, maybe most, of us. But yes, I echo your sentiment- absolutely people going through hardship need to do their best to talk about it. Don’t internalise it. It’s one thing losing people to an indiscriminate virus, it’s another thing losing people who could see no other way out of the economic, or personal, damage wrought by this bloody virus. It kinda puts this virus into perspective when big jock posted about one of our own being a victim of the virus ,i also saw a bit on the web about a lfc fan who said online he was in agony and 3 days later was gone, i said to wend if i get it i would prefer to be one of those who goes quickly. Well, I wouldn`t, mate. If my time`s up it`s up, but I`d rather spend ten days with a temperature hotter than a mutton vindaloo, and fighting for every breath while hooked up to a ventilator between two members of Islamic State. And then recover. Rest in peace all those who have gone. Good luck to the rest of us. |
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