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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 10, 2020 9:02:31 GMT
Better news. "A 99-year-old Second World War veteran has thanked NHS staff after recovering from coronavirus. Albert Chambers, who turns 100 in July, was given a guard of honour from nurses at Tickhill Road Hospital in Doncaster after overcoming COVID-19." news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-wwii-veteran-recovers-from-coronavirus-and-gets-guard-of-honour-11971371And this woman has been though a bit: "Meanwhile in Italy, a 103-year-old woman who lived through the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 has recovered from COVID-19. Ada Zanusso, from the northern Italian town of Lessona, was conspicuously undramatic about her ordeal, saying she had "some fever" - despite drifting in and out of consciousness while confined to bed for a week with the illness." |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 10, 2020 9:42:37 GMT
Better news. "A 99-year-old Second World War veteran has thanked NHS staff after recovering from coronavirus. Albert Chambers, who turns 100 in July, was given a guard of honour from nurses at Tickhill Road Hospital in Doncaster after overcoming COVID-19." news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-wwii-veteran-recovers-from-coronavirus-and-gets-guard-of-honour-11971371And this woman has been though a bit: "Meanwhile in Italy, a 103-year-old woman who lived through the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 has recovered from COVID-19. Ada Zanusso, from the northern Italian town of Lessona, was conspicuously undramatic about her ordeal, saying she had "some fever" - despite drifting in and out of consciousness while confined to bed for a week with the illness." Heartening news, Stuart. As Nobby has said, our fathers, grandfathers, great grandfathers, were asked/told to endure far worse than us. Did our brave soldiers lose heart, when they were surrounded by Zulus at Waterloo? No, they didn`t. We can get through this!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 10:04:18 GMT
Better news. "A 99-year-old Second World War veteran has thanked NHS staff after recovering from coronavirus. Albert Chambers, who turns 100 in July, was given a guard of honour from nurses at Tickhill Road Hospital in Doncaster after overcoming COVID-19." news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-wwii-veteran-recovers-from-coronavirus-and-gets-guard-of-honour-11971371And this woman has been though a bit: "Meanwhile in Italy, a 103-year-old woman who lived through the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 has recovered from COVID-19. Ada Zanusso, from the northern Italian town of Lessona, was conspicuously undramatic about her ordeal, saying she had "some fever" - despite drifting in and out of consciousness while confined to bed for a week with the illness." Heartening news, Stuart. As Nobby has said, our fathers, grandfathers, great grandfathers, were asked/told to endure far worse than us. Did our brave soldiers lose heart, when they were surrounded by Zulus at Waterloo? No, they didn`t. We can get through this!! 😂😂 |
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Post by inee on Apr 10, 2020 11:40:52 GMT
It kinda puts this virus into perspective when big jock posted about one of our own being a victim of the virus ,i also saw a bit on the web about a lfc fan who said online he was in agony and 3 days later was gone, i said to wend if i get it i would prefer to be one of those who goes quickly. Well, I wouldn`t, mate. If my time`s up it`s up, but I`d rather spend ten days with a temperature hotter than a mutton vindaloo, and fighting for every breath while hooked up to a ventilator between two members of Islamic State. And then recover. Rest in peace all those who have gone. Good luck to the rest of us. I wish no one had caught it ,i've had the talk with wend outlining what i want. Thing is mate since losing Ann-Marie Irene 6 years ago it changed my whole perspective on life and what to do if i get ill, I know it's kinda macabre but it's something i needed to sort out for my own sanity, probably shared too much there, but as i've said a thousand times over i lay my life out on here as it is in the hope that if people start to feel everything is getting them down ,then there are options maybe not to cure mental illness but how to survive day to day. If these posts save 1 person then it's worth it Back to wierdo mode whats the difference between abu dabi and saudia arabia saudia arabia dont like the flintstones, but abu daby do sorry for that and yes after that joke i'm going straight to hell |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 13:07:26 GMT
Better news. "A 99-year-old Second World War veteran has thanked NHS staff after recovering from coronavirus. Albert Chambers, who turns 100 in July, was given a guard of honour from nurses at Tickhill Road Hospital in Doncaster after overcoming COVID-19." news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-wwii-veteran-recovers-from-coronavirus-and-gets-guard-of-honour-11971371And this woman has been though a bit: "Meanwhile in Italy, a 103-year-old woman who lived through the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 has recovered from COVID-19. Ada Zanusso, from the northern Italian town of Lessona, was conspicuously undramatic about her ordeal, saying she had "some fever" - despite drifting in and out of consciousness while confined to bed for a week with the illness." Good lad |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 11, 2020 10:05:11 GMT
Oh well, if it is the end of the world, at least we`ve got nice weather for it.
UTG!!
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Post by LJG on Apr 11, 2020 12:38:39 GMT
Not sure how we can even consider stopping the lock down when just yesterday we recorded our largest death toll, with numbers likely to break the European record. We are revising (like most other countries) on Monday. Hopefully we will probably extend by another 2/3 weeks and then by end of April, presuming everyone stays in line, we could slowly start opening non-essential shops again. The introduction of a working antibody test would assist with this too. If anyone here thinks Italy will just remove all measures at the click of the fingers then they really need to read a bit more into the situation. The important thing is not to have another spike. You only need one gathering of people for a spike to come again and we got full lock down again. Germany is obviously the gold standard and have done everything right from Day 1. Tbh, it started before Day 1 - Germany are just a country who have their sh** sorted out compared to the rest of the world. I'm not completely convinced that Germany's apparent success is anything more than a statistical recording difference. Mortality rate in Germany is what? 0.8%? 1%? Italy and spain are more like 12% - 15%. OK I could accept that an aging population and a difference in lifestyle could account for double the amount of deaths maybe even an increase of 200% But the difference is an order of magnitude and more! There's no way sociological differences can account for all that. I think Germany are testing and recording every case - so if you have a temperature in Germany you get swabbed and if you test positive you're in their numbers - the Italians (and us) are only recording critical cases - so if you go into hospital you get tested and a positive means you're in the numbers. As far as dying - here and Italy Covid 19 is a reportable condition so if you have it and die you're in those numbers. But in Germany it's not, so if you have it and die you don't go into the numbers unless you wouldn't have died but for the Covid 19 - like here an old person who dies of flu would have a cause of death recorded as old age or pneumonia not flu, the Germans have that approach to covid 19, we don't. So, who knows really if Germany are any better off. I think their system of recording is far more accurate. The Italians think they have 1,000 cases for every death so about 15,000,000 cases at present. Annoyingly that's about a third of what would be required to achieve herd immunity (population of 60m x 60% = 40m). So even after all they've been through I can't see them just going back to normal life any time soon. |
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Post by inee on Apr 11, 2020 14:09:55 GMT
Our numbers are skewed, it's been said many times that only if you die in a hospital you are added to the totals. Apparently if you die at home or in a nursing home you aren't automatically added to the numbers, ialso believe that the tottals will be a bit higher when its all over as many will die alone in their own accomadation and will not be discovered for a small while.
Maybe the numbers in italy are because nothing was done until it was too late, (Not slagging off italy as nobody really knew how this would pan out). I think the germanys locked down very quickly so that may account for the differances in numbers.
If that is the reason then i hope we will quarentine a tad longer, of course it must be proved that the german way sqaved the spread of covid 19, i also read that the area in italy that was hit worst is one of the poorest areas in italy. So i suspect that the high incidence of death there is the poor would need to go out more to survive, rather than some of the more well off.
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Post by trevorgas on Apr 11, 2020 15:33:10 GMT
Our numbers are skewed, it's been said many times that only if you die in a hospital you are added to the totals. Apparently if you die at home or in a nursing home you aren't automatically added to the numbers, ialso believe that the tottals will be a bit higher when its all over as many will die alone in their own accomadation and will not be discovered for a small while. Maybe the numbers in italy are because nothing was done until it was too late, (Not slagging off italy as nobody really knew how this would pan out). I think the germanys locked down very quickly so that may account for the differances in numbers. If that is the reason then i hope we will quarentine a tad longer, of course it must be proved that the german way sqaved the spread of covid 19, i also read that the area in italy that was hit worst is one of the poorest areas in italy. So i suspect that the high incidence of death there is the poor would need to go out more to survive, rather than some of the more well off. Interesting,we are fortunate to have an Apartment in Treviso Northern Italy and we're there at half term returning home on the 25th Feb. There was little or nothing in the media at that time and certainly no perspective on what then happened over the last 6 weeks. I don't think the Italians were late in locking down my recollection is that was the 9th March ,they were just overwhelmed by the sheer rate of growth of cases,you are right Lombardy is a poorer area of Northern Italy but no where near as poor as Southern areas. There will obiviously be a time for learns and reflection when this eases down however,I think we are a long way away from that Germany is an obivious outlier and we will need to understand why once robust data is available. One last point ,Government's all over the World have struggled to manage this once in 100 year pandemic and they will not get everything right so I hope post this pandemic there will be calm reflection to better prepare us and not a media led witch hunt because something did not go quite right,these are unprecedented times and my sense is everyone is doing their best but perfect it ain't going to be. |
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Post by inee on Apr 11, 2020 15:52:48 GMT
Unfortunantely this is the uk and i feel that an awful lot of people will set about the government with blame etc, like you said a once a centuary pandemic, which no one has a cure for at present, it matters not who is in power at that time as i feel the results would have been the same no matter who was in power, to me theres no way you can plan for something like this as uyntil it hits you dont know what you are dealing with.
I would like to know if this virus has mutated as it's killing people without underlying medical conditioins, did everyone jump the gun stating that people who were fit n healthy would not die, was probably based on the only evedence they had at the time. People are doing more than their best imo. I hope all nhs,firebrigade,military,shopworkers and others will be looked after when this is all over, but i feel they will be let down, the biggest worry i have is that many many people will come out of this with some form of mental illness,from that point of view at least prior to coronavirus people are more aware of the signs of mental ilness.
The one thing that is really messing with me swede, is that childern over here are dying now thats not Dam right, not now not ever, the pain those parents are going through will affect them for the rest of their lives, better stop as im loosing it a bit
stay safe you n yours
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Post by trevorgas on Apr 11, 2020 15:56:45 GMT
Unfortunantely this is the uk and i feel that an awful lot of people will set about the government with blame etc, like you said a once a centuary pandemic, which no one has a cure for at present, it matters not who is in power at that time as i feel the results would have been the same no matter who was in power, to me theres no way you can plan for something like this as uyntil it hits you dont know what you are dealing with. I would like to know if this virus has mutated as it's killing people without underlying medical conditioins, did everyone jump the gun stating that people who were fit n healthy would not die, was probably based on the only evedence they had at the time. People are doing more than their best imo. I hope all nhs,firebrigade,military,shopworkers and others will be looked after when this is all over, but i feel they will be let down, the biggest worry i have is that many many people will come out of this with some form of mental illness,from that point of view at least prior to coronavirus people are more aware of the signs of mental ilness. The one thing that is really messing with me swede, is that childern over here are dying now thats not f**king right, not now not ever, the pain those parents are going through will affect them for the rest of their lives, better stop as im loosing it a bit stay safe you n yours I agree with all of that. You keep well and stay safe. |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 11, 2020 16:51:31 GMT
What does concern me is that all the nations striving to find a vaccine, will keep their research to themselves, ( for the kudos of being the ones to come up with a cure ) rather than pooling their findings, and helping to bring an end to all this, sooner.
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Post by inee on Apr 11, 2020 16:59:58 GMT
I think its a good idea for countries to try to develop a vaccine along different path ,i also think that countries are sharing data, to allow them to try many different things.
For me the real problem will come if a tablet companyy develops a cure then prices it at an outragious price.
Will be interesting to see how it pans out, would be karma if italy found a cure then sold it on
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Post by Gassy on Apr 11, 2020 21:45:29 GMT
Not sure how we can even consider stopping the lock down when just yesterday we recorded our largest death toll, with numbers likely to break the European record. We are revising (like most other countries) on Monday. Hopefully we will probably extend by another 2/3 weeks and then by end of April, presuming everyone stays in line, we could slowly start opening non-essential shops again. The introduction of a working antibody test would assist with this too. If anyone here thinks Italy will just remove all measures at the click of the fingers then they really need to read a bit more into the situation. The important thing is not to have another spike. You only need one gathering of people for a spike to come again and we got full lock down again. Germany is obviously the gold standard and have done everything right from Day 1. Tbh, it started before Day 1 - Germany are just a country who have their sh** sorted out compared to the rest of the world. I'm not completely convinced that Germany's apparent success is anything more than a statistical recording difference. Mortality rate in Germany is what? 0.8%? 1%? Italy and spain are more like 12% - 15%. OK I could accept that an aging population and a difference in lifestyle could account for double the amount of deaths maybe even an increase of 200% But the difference is an order of magnitude and more! There's no way sociological differences can account for all that. I think Germany are testing and recording every case - so if you have a temperature in Germany you get swabbed and if you test positive you're in their numbers - the Italians (and us) are only recording critical cases - so if you go into hospital you get tested and a positive means you're in the numbers. As far as dying - here and Italy Covid 19 is a reportable condition so if you have it and die you're in those numbers. But in Germany it's not, so if you have it and die you don't go into the numbers unless you wouldn't have died but for the Covid 19 - like here an old person who dies of flu would have a cause of death recorded as old age or pneumonia not flu, the Germans have that approach to covid 19, we don't. So, who knows really if Germany are any better off. I think their system of recording is far more accurate. The Italians think they have 1,000 cases for every death so about 15,000,000 cases at present. Annoyingly that's about a third of what would be required to achieve herd immunity (population of 60m x 60% = 40m). So even after all they've been through I can't see them just going back to normal life any time soon. I think you’re right in the sense that their statistics are more likely to be correct, but that’s because they tested from the beginning. Since the virus has arrived we’ve tested what Germany does in 2 days. That is unacceptable tbh. You also have to question why Germany’s (if their testing is correct) cases are therefore so low. They closed borders before we closed up I believe. How is the spread, for a country surrounded by Coronavirus, so small? Whilst it’s more likely that 1% is the real mortality rate of COVID, that would see Italy (with 15,000 deaths) at 1.5m, not 15m. Germany also have the most ventilators, doctors, nurses and critical care beds in Europe per capita. So there are many reasons Germany is doing well. They’re a country set up to excel in these circumstances. USA is the complete opposite, a country set to fall apart IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 10:21:06 GMT
This is a conversation for another time, but the fact health care is privitised in Germany may count towards what has happened. Hospitals are in competition with each other, as the only way they receive money is from treating people. If you have to get taken to hospital in an ambulance you can actually say which hospital you want them to take you (locally of course). Within the population word soon gets around if one hospital is not up to scratch, so all hospitals strive to provide the best care. If a hospital has to turn a patient away because they don't have enough beds/nurses/doctor's/right equipment etc etc then they are only losing money. Health care here is Gold Standard. The cost is generally 15% of your wage of which your employer pays half.
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 12, 2020 10:25:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 11:14:21 GMT
This is a conversation for another time, but the fact health care is privitised in Germany may count towards what has happened. Hospitals are in competition with each other, as the only way they receive money is from treating people. If you have to get taken to hospital in an ambulance you can actually say which hospital you want them to take you (locally of course). Within the population word soon gets around if one hospital is not up to scratch, so all hospitals strive to provide the best care. If a hospital has to turn a patient away because they don't have enough beds/nurses/doctor's/right equipment etc etc then they are only losing money. Health care here is Gold Standard. The cost is generally 15% of your wage of which your employer pays half. The last sentence Nobby is the key to your point. I agree,it will be an interesting time for facing upto the reality that has unfolded. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 12, 2020 15:56:38 GMT
Happy Easter everyone. 😀
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Post by inee on Apr 12, 2020 18:51:33 GMT
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 13, 2020 5:37:51 GMT
They`d do better in Asda, Inee. Plenty of baggy trousers in George.
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