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Post by baggins on Apr 13, 2020 5:52:35 GMT
This is a conversation for another time, but the fact health care is privitised in Germany may count towards what has happened. Hospitals are in competition with each other, as the only way they receive money is from treating people. If you have to get taken to hospital in an ambulance you can actually say which hospital you want them to take you (locally of course). Within the population word soon gets around if one hospital is not up to scratch, so all hospitals strive to provide the best care. If a hospital has to turn a patient away because they don't have enough beds/nurses/doctor's/right equipment etc etc then they are only losing money. Health care here is Gold Standard. The cost is generally 15% of your wage of which your employer pays half. What happens if you don't have a job? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 8:18:13 GMT
This is a conversation for another time, but the fact health care is privitised in Germany may count towards what has happened. Hospitals are in competition with each other, as the only way they receive money is from treating people. If you have to get taken to hospital in an ambulance you can actually say which hospital you want them to take you (locally of course). Within the population word soon gets around if one hospital is not up to scratch, so all hospitals strive to provide the best care. If a hospital has to turn a patient away because they don't have enough beds/nurses/doctor's/right equipment etc etc then they are only losing money. Health care here is Gold Standard. The cost is generally 15% of your wage of which your employer pays half. What happens if you don't have a job? The government pay for it. |
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Post by peterparker on Apr 13, 2020 12:25:19 GMT
What happens if you don't have a job? The government pay for it. What income/NI tax equivalents are there in Germany? I dont mind paying for stuff, but it all starts adding up. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2020 13:35:50 GMT
The government pay for it. What income/NI tax equivalents are there in Germany? I dont mind paying for stuff, but it all starts adding up. NI doesn't exist here, but taxes are high, on top of having to pay health insurance. Off the top of my head, and there are some variations, but a single person pays about 50% tax. Married would be about 40% depending on having children. There are many other taxes, like the Unification Tax and the House Tax for example. Tax here is far higher than in the UK. |
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Post by peterparker on Apr 13, 2020 13:40:06 GMT
What income/NI tax equivalents are there in Germany? I dont mind paying for stuff, but it all starts adding up. NI doesn't exist here, but taxes are high, on top of having to pay health insurance. Off the top of my head, and there are some variations, but a single person pays about 50% tax. Married would be about 40% depending on having children. There are many other taxes, like the Unification Tax and the House Tax for example. Tax here is far higher than in the UK. I mean, i have private healthcare from my employer (obviously taxable from my allowance). Pension is also auto enrolled here now as well, although I have paid in from the start of my job. I guess there is a balance to find between all these things |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 13, 2020 16:31:18 GMT
Well done, that man! A 99-year-old army veteran who has joined the fundraising fight against Covid-19 has "smashed" his £500,000 target. Tom Moore aims to complete 100 laps of his Bedfordshire garden by Thursday, walking with the aid of a frame. He originally hoped to raise £1,000 for NHS Charities Together, to thank "magnificent" staff after recent treatment for a broken hip and cancer. He said: "I thank the British public from the bottom of my heart." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52269398 |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 13, 2020 20:03:09 GMT
Officer Barbrady how's the general feeling at work? Anything interesting to share with us from the real world (as opposed to the daily government bullshit we get).
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Post by trevorgas on Apr 13, 2020 21:45:18 GMT
Officer Barbrady how's the general feeling at work? Anything interesting to share with us from the real world (as opposed to the daily government bullshit we get). God on then I will fall for it ,why is the daily briefing bullshit bearing in mind that the data is evidential and presented by non political scientific adivisors? |
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Post by baggins on Apr 14, 2020 5:54:06 GMT
So, at least another 3 weeks. Oh well, guess you could say we're half way through?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 14, 2020 5:58:25 GMT
So, at least another 3 weeks. Oh well, guess you could say we're half way through? Woah, we're half way there Woah, livin' on a prayer Take my hand, we'll make it I swear |
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Post by Marshy on Apr 14, 2020 6:14:32 GMT
So, at least another 3 weeks. Oh well, guess you could say we're half way through? I wouldn’t bank on it, although some restrictions maybe lifted in 2 to 3 weeks time I can’t see the pubs reopening for 2 to 3 months! 😱 |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 14, 2020 6:16:20 GMT
Well done, that man! A 99-year-old army veteran who has joined the fundraising fight against Covid-19 has "smashed" his £500,000 target. Tom Moore aims to complete 100 laps of his Bedfordshire garden by Thursday, walking with the aid of a frame. He originally hoped to raise £1,000 for NHS Charities Together, to thank "magnificent" staff after recent treatment for a broken hip and cancer. He said: "I thank the British public from the bottom of my heart." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52269398It lifts your spirits, just to read about it. |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 14, 2020 6:18:42 GMT
So, at least another 3 weeks. Oh well, guess you could say we're half way through? Woah, we're half way there Woah, livin' on a prayer Take my hand, we'll make it I swear I didn`t know you were a Rovers fan, Mr Jovi. |
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Post by Marshy on Apr 14, 2020 6:22:00 GMT
So, at least another 3 weeks. Oh well, guess you could say we're half way through? Woah, we're half way there Woah, livin' on a prayer Take my hand, we'll make it I swear Ban. |
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Post by francegas on Apr 14, 2020 8:17:21 GMT
Officer Barbrady how's the general feeling at work? Anything interesting to share with us from the real world (as opposed to the daily government bullshit we get). God on then I will fall for it ,why is the daily briefing bullshit bearing in mind that the data is evidential and presented by non political scientific adivisors? It's amazing how all of a sudden people know more than our politicians, are more intelligent than our scientific advisors, health advisors, can tell us where the government have failed and what they would have done differently whilst using a hell of a lot of hindsight. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 8:37:39 GMT
God on then I will fall for it ,why is the daily briefing bullshit bearing in mind that the data is evidential and presented by non political scientific adivisors? It's amazing how all of a sudden people know more than our politicians, are more intelligent than our scientific advisors, health advisors, can tell us where the government have failed and what they would have done differently whilst using a hell of a lot of hindsight. Yes, perhaps. But I do think the reality of our social condition has been exposed by this pandemic. There is, I think, a growing realisation of this as people have, in effect, "stepped off the roundabout". The characters leading these press conferences (excluding the scientists, who in my opinion are trouped out as "cover") are the very architects of that condition. The sense of growing unease, as it becomes apparent we were on a knife edge in the event of any disruptive event, is palpable. Take the Care Home deaths, you get the feeling the Government are saying "Oh yeah, and them". |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 14, 2020 8:42:03 GMT
The government updates are decent tbf. However, the guidance to them has been poor - as has Boris' decision making.
We were lucky enough to see exactly what Italy & Spain had done and been through and make improvements. We did nothing and instead decided to follow the same path, which is a bit of a joke tbh.
The level of testing is absolutely pathetic too.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 14, 2020 9:16:22 GMT
Woah, we're half way there Woah, livin' on a prayer Take my hand, we'll make it I swear Ban. Nope, it's Bon not Ban Jovi. 😎 |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 14, 2020 9:24:33 GMT
The government updates are decent tbf. However, the guidance to them has been poor - as has Boris' decision making. We were lucky enough to see exactly what Italy & Spain had done and been through and make improvements. We did nothing and instead decided to follow the same path, which is a bit of a joke tbh. The level of testing is absolutely pathetic too. One of the reasons given for not introducing the lockdown earlier was the loss of public confidence and buy in from the country as a whole. I can understand that thought but still think we could have done it earlier (Officer B suggested this about a week earlierif I recall). in terms of questions I'd like to know why we are not including non hospital deaths (supposedly a time lag, but others have questioned the actual practical issues used to justify that or the methodology) and also whether we could have done more to procure items such as PPE (why did we not participate in the EU scheme for example). There are some things the Government can't be blamed for, but many things they can and should do more about. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2020 9:38:11 GMT
The government updates are decent tbf. However, the guidance to them has been poor - as has Boris' decision making. We were lucky enough to see exactly what Italy & Spain had done and been through and make improvements. We did nothing and instead decided to follow the same path, which is a bit of a joke tbh. The level of testing is absolutely pathetic too. One of the reasons given for not introducing the lockdown earlier was the loss of public confidence and buy in from the country as a whole. I can understand that thought but still think we could have done it earlier (Officer B suggested this about a week earlierif I recall). in terms of questions I'd like to know why we are not including non hospital deaths (supposedly a time lag, but others have questioned the actual practical issues used to justify that or the methodology) and also whether we could have done more to procure items such as PPE (why did we not participate in the EU scheme for example). There are some things the Government can't be blamed for, but many things they can and should do more about. The EU scheme was for ventilators? And as was pointed out by Andrew Neil a few days ago, the EU have actually provided ZERO ventilators via the scheme as they are still having meetings to discuss it. It seems as though the EU just cannot do anything above a snails pace.I The shortage of PPE is worldwide, and I suggest it is because of the huge demand plus China bought up all the spare supplies when the virus first appeared there. |
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