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Post by althepirate on Feb 22, 2020 19:52:59 GMT
Our goal ratio under BG is simply not good enough.JCH on his own up front and even his goals have dried up.Sorry.Not optimistic.Only one league win and the poorest strike rate in our history I should think. JCH was brilliant alongside Tom Nichols. The only time In his career that he’s been prolific. When we put TN up for sale I said it was a massive mistake and we should play JCH and Nichols up front together for the rest of the season because over the last 12 months they had been a good partnership and our form was the second best in league 1 over that 12 month period and we were still in or around the top 6 at that point. I obviously got shot down on here for saying this but perhaps now more can see it. It wasn’t broken it didn’t need fixing. I can understand Garner wanting us to play through more rather than going so direct , he’s got his own philosophy fair enough but I feel we could have done that with Johnson and Nichols up front and made it work just as well as it was working possibly even better. None of this is hindsight I’ve been saying it for months and to be honest I’m surprised Garner having “ seen all our matches “ couldn’t see it. I’m not saying Garner won’t work long term but he’s torn up the three things that made us tick and punch well above our weight ( in my opinion we’ve got a mid to lower table possible relegation squad ) These things are. 1. 3-5-2 - all our defenders / wingbacks are more comfortable playing in this formation than 4-3-3 2. Playing direct - we are much more suited to playing direct as we have no calm ball players in the squad , particulary the midfield which is where the best patient passing sides tend to dominate, to play a more patient approach. 3. Taking JCHs partner away and sending him on loan to a league 2 club when they clearly had a good partnership that were consistently creating chances for the team and we were on a 12 month run of fantastic form and looking good for a top 6 finish. All of our strengths have been taken away - and now we’re playing to our weaknesses. I do however think that Garner should be given to the end of the season to get us winning football matches and the reasons for that - because he’s a well respected coach in the game , he’s been given a transfer window and he made some interesting changes in that window , he had a bad start because of family issues- and were not in any danger of getting relegated. If things haven’t improved by the end of the season then it’ll be put down to a season of two half’s and a mistake by our board in giving a young coach our managers job when what we needed was a strong head in charge who had leadership skills when there was absolute zero leadership from board and ownership level. If it’s the latter then We can then have a pre season and transfer window with a new manager and go again next season. To be honest though I think having a Coughlan type manager is the way forward because our board and owner are so far from being leaders at our club what we really need is a tough leader in management of the team because without that our club is a rudderless ship drifting to who knows where. Possibly relegation. I thought it was better today Sam despite the score, but I'm not sure if it will work long term. Ben does seem to have an edge about him, he won't want to fail. What concerns me is that we are becoming a college for up and coming managers and players. Sooner rather than later we need to get results. If it's all about evolution we may as well wait five years until we buy another season ticket. It works both ways. |
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 22, 2020 19:56:19 GMT
Our goal ratio under BG is simply not good enough.JCH on his own up front and even his goals have dried up.Sorry.Not optimistic.Only one league win and the poorest strike rate in our history I should think. JCH was brilliant alongside Tom Nichols. The only time In his career that he’s been prolific. When we put TN up for sale I said it was a massive mistake and we should play JCH and Nichols up front together for the rest of the season because over the last 12 months they had been a good partnership and our form was the second best in league 1 over that 12 month period and we were still in or around the top 6 at that point. I obviously got shot down on here for saying this but perhaps now more can see it. It wasn’t broken it didn’t need fixing. I can understand Garner wanting us to play through more rather than going so direct , he’s got his own philosophy fair enough but I feel we could have done that with Johnson and Nichols up front and made it work just as well as it was working possibly even better. None of this is hindsight I’ve been saying it for months and to be honest I’m surprised Garner having “ seen all our matches “ couldn’t see it. I’m not saying Garner won’t work long term but he’s torn up the three things that made us tick and punch well above our weight ( in my opinion we’ve got a mid to lower table possible relegation squad ) These things are. 1. 3-5-2 - all our defenders / wingbacks are more comfortable playing in this formation than 4-3-3 2. Playing direct - we are much more suited to playing direct as we have no calm ball players in the squad , particulary the midfield which is where the best patient passing sides tend to dominate, to play a more patient approach. 3. Taking JCHs partner away and sending him on loan to a league 2 club when they clearly had a good partnership that were consistently creating chances for the team and we were on a 12 month run of fantastic form and looking good for a top 6 finish. All of our strengths have been taken away - and now we’re playing to our weaknesses. I do however think that Garner should be given to the end of the season to get us winning football matches and the reasons for that - because he’s a well respected coach in the game , he’s been given a transfer window and he made some interesting changes in that window , he had a bad start because of family issues- and were not in any danger of getting relegated. If things haven’t improved by the end of the season then it’ll be put down to a season of two half’s and a mistake by our board in giving a young coach our managers job when what we needed was a strong head in charge who had leadership skills when there was absolute zero leadership from board and ownership level. If it’s the latter then We can then have a pre season and transfer window with a new manager and go again next season. To be honest though I think having a Coughlan type manager is the way forward because our board and owner are so far from being leaders at our club what we really need is a tough leader in management of the team because without that our club is a rudderless ship drifting to who knows where. Possibly relegation. Not like you to be so negative socrates. First half today, up to the sending off sounded very like a Coughlan performance. It’s been a bad run I agree but the performances have been better. I guess it’s like lots have said he has a free hit this season now to develop a style of play for next season. And at least the players he brought in look as if they will suit the style he wants. Well, those who have played so far that is. Like always Saturday nights on here usually reflect the result more than the performance and Ogogo’s red card really b******* us up and a hard-working 0-1 defeat might have provoked a different reaction to what looks like a bad defeat. Like we often say, fine margins by the end. But by the end of the season I agree, BG will need to have got some good results and have made our new style clear. I hope he succeeds obviously because I think playing good attacking football under a manager who gives young talent a chance is the way forward for us. Well, at least until things change at the top of our club. UTG! |
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Post by Rod1883 on Feb 22, 2020 20:02:44 GMT
Well, I've watched the sending off a few times on the highlights above and the Sunderland player leans into Ogogo, but I can't see what he does to get sent off - although he doesn't seem surprised at the card?
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Post by socrates on Feb 22, 2020 20:03:09 GMT
JCH was brilliant alongside Tom Nichols. The only time In his career that he’s been prolific. When we put TN up for sale I said it was a massive mistake and we should play JCH and Nichols up front together for the rest of the season because over the last 12 months they had been a good partnership and our form was the second best in league 1 over that 12 month period and we were still in or around the top 6 at that point. I obviously got shot down on here for saying this but perhaps now more can see it. It wasn’t broken it didn’t need fixing. I can understand Garner wanting us to play through more rather than going so direct , he’s got his own philosophy fair enough but I feel we could have done that with Johnson and Nichols up front and made it work just as well as it was working possibly even better. None of this is hindsight I’ve been saying it for months and to be honest I’m surprised Garner having “ seen all our matches “ couldn’t see it. I’m not saying Garner won’t work long term but he’s torn up the three things that made us tick and punch well above our weight ( in my opinion we’ve got a mid to lower table possible relegation squad ) These things are. 1. 3-5-2 - all our defenders / wingbacks are more comfortable playing in this formation than 4-3-3 2. Playing direct - we are much more suited to playing direct as we have no calm ball players in the squad , particulary the midfield which is where the best patient passing sides tend to dominate, to play a more patient approach. 3. Taking JCHs partner away and sending him on loan to a league 2 club when they clearly had a good partnership that were consistently creating chances for the team and we were on a 12 month run of fantastic form and looking good for a top 6 finish. All of our strengths have been taken away - and now we’re playing to our weaknesses. I do however think that Garner should be given to the end of the season to get us winning football matches and the reasons for that - because he’s a well respected coach in the game , he’s been given a transfer window and he made some interesting changes in that window , he had a bad start because of family issues- and were not in any danger of getting relegated. If things haven’t improved by the end of the season then it’ll be put down to a season of two half’s and a mistake by our board in giving a young coach our managers job when what we needed was a strong head in charge who had leadership skills when there was absolute zero leadership from board and ownership level. If it’s the latter then We can then have a pre season and transfer window with a new manager and go again next season. To be honest though I think having a Coughlan type manager is the way forward because our board and owner are so far from being leaders at our club what we really need is a tough leader in management of the team because without that our club is a rudderless ship drifting to who knows where. Possibly relegation. I thought it was better today Sam despite the score, but I'm not sure if it will work long term. Ben does seem to have an edge about him, he won't want to fail. What concerns me is that we are becoming a college for up and coming managers and players. Sooner rather than later we need to get results. If it's all about evolution we may as well wait five years until we buy another season ticket. It works both ways. Agreed I’m not interested in seeing us as a nursery for premier league clubs young players. I want to see us picking up as many wins as defeats in close season or it’s bye Ben it didn’t work and on to another manager for next season. I don’t see the point in sacking him now though , if we did we might jump the gun and throw away something that might have been brilliant given time. We have that rare commodity in football right now of having the time to see what happens and there’s so much football to be played we’ll have a much better idea come April - May. It’s been probably the strangest season in my years supporting the Gas. |
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Post by Rod1883 on Feb 22, 2020 20:06:35 GMT
I thought it was better today Sam despite the score, but I'm not sure if it will work long term. Ben does seem to have an edge about him, he won't want to fail. What concerns me is that we are becoming a college for up and coming managers and players. Sooner rather than later we need to get results. If it's all about evolution we may as well wait five years until we buy another season ticket. It works both ways. Agreed I’m not interested in seeing us as a nursery for premier league clubs young players. I want to see us picking up as many wins as defeats in close season or it’s bye Ben it didn’t work and on to another manager for next season. I don’t see the point in sacking him now though , if we did we might jump the gun and throw away something that might have been brilliant given time. We have that rare commodity in football right now of having the time to see what happens and there’s so much football to be played we’ll have a much better idea come April - May. It’s been probably the strangest season in my years supporting the Gas. Yes, as I posted on page 14, I don't want us to be a 'composite' Championship/Premier League U23 side that plays some pretty stuff but loses many more than not |
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Post by althepirate on Feb 22, 2020 20:10:58 GMT
Tbh we would be pretty miffed if two of the opp players collided with each other, the ball immediately ran to a one on one with the keeper and the ref stopped play even for head injuries.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 22, 2020 20:19:28 GMT
Tbh we would be pretty miffed if two of the opp players collided with each other, the ball immediately ran to a one on one with the keeper and the ref stopped play even for head injuries. True. He would have only saved about three seconds stopping the game. And we see it happen a lot where the ref gives a bit of play-on in these sort of circumstances and waits for the move to lull before stopping the game. Otoh, it's the rules and the ref said it wasn't a head injury, so I guess they should change the rules to stop the refs having to lie. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 20:20:00 GMT
Yes the red changed the game. Of course we still could have conceded and lost with eleven men but we will never know! What is disappointing is how we fell apart far too easily after the first goal. It’s funny how we also talk about how we struggle to break down ten men (until last weekend anyway!) yet our opponents never have any problem beating us when we loose a player! Lose lose lose it’s not got two fuck1ng oo’s it’s got 1 . It’s lose guys..... read L .... O..... S ...... E !!!! This wateres me off more than the defeat. Loose bloody trousers ..... I expect us to lose today ! Thanks 😊 You’re loosing the plot. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Feb 22, 2020 20:20:11 GMT
It seems from those that have watched the game that 3-0 was a bit harsh on us and certainly that the sending off completely changed the game. Whether or not we'd have got anything had it stayed 11 v 11 we'll never know but imo BG can't be blamed for a poor refereeing decision or a lack of discipline whichever it turns out to be.
We still have a quarter of the season left in which BG needs to show that his way of playing can get us results, as others have said it's effectively an extended pre season. The 'positive' if there is one from Ogogo's suspension is that there is an opportunity to either get another striker or a more creative midfielder into the side especially as it's at home
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Post by newmarketgas on Feb 22, 2020 20:21:56 GMT
Miffed maybe, but it is a must, these rules were brought in to save time for head injuries for a good reason, The Ref was a bit of a twerp on this.
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Post by Marshy on Feb 22, 2020 20:31:42 GMT
Miffed maybe, but it is a must, these rules were brought in to save time for head injuries for a good reason, The Ref was a bit of a twerp on this. Twerp? That’s a bit strong old boy! Personally I thought he was a cunnt. |
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Post by newmarketgas on Feb 22, 2020 20:35:49 GMT
Miffed maybe, but it is a must, these rules were brought in to save time for head injuries for a good reason, The Ref was a bit of a twerp on this. Twerp? That’s a bit strong old boy! Personally I thought he was a cunnt. I was trying to be nice, it happens once a year. |
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Post by Marshy on Feb 22, 2020 20:39:00 GMT
Twerp? That’s a bit strong old boy! Personally I thought he was a cunnt. I was trying to be nice, it happens once a year. So was I. |
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Post by socrates on Feb 22, 2020 20:49:24 GMT
JCH was brilliant alongside Tom Nichols. The only time In his career that he’s been prolific. When we put TN up for sale I said it was a massive mistake and we should play JCH and Nichols up front together for the rest of the season because over the last 12 months they had been a good partnership and our form was the second best in league 1 over that 12 month period and we were still in or around the top 6 at that point. I obviously got shot down on here for saying this but perhaps now more can see it. It wasn’t broken it didn’t need fixing. I can understand Garner wanting us to play through more rather than going so direct , he’s got his own philosophy fair enough but I feel we could have done that with Johnson and Nichols up front and made it work just as well as it was working possibly even better. None of this is hindsight I’ve been saying it for months and to be honest I’m surprised Garner having “ seen all our matches “ couldn’t see it. I’m not saying Garner won’t work long term but he’s torn up the three things that made us tick and punch well above our weight ( in my opinion we’ve got a mid to lower table possible relegation squad ) These things are. 1. 3-5-2 - all our defenders / wingbacks are more comfortable playing in this formation than 4-3-3 2. Playing direct - we are much more suited to playing direct as we have no calm ball players in the squad , particulary the midfield which is where the best patient passing sides tend to dominate, to play a more patient approach. 3. Taking JCHs partner away and sending him on loan to a league 2 club when they clearly had a good partnership that were consistently creating chances for the team and we were on a 12 month run of fantastic form and looking good for a top 6 finish. All of our strengths have been taken away - and now we’re playing to our weaknesses. I do however think that Garner should be given to the end of the season to get us winning football matches and the reasons for that - because he’s a well respected coach in the game , he’s been given a transfer window and he made some interesting changes in that window , he had a bad start because of family issues- and were not in any danger of getting relegated. If things haven’t improved by the end of the season then it’ll be put down to a season of two half’s and a mistake by our board in giving a young coach our managers job when what we needed was a strong head in charge who had leadership skills when there was absolute zero leadership from board and ownership level. If it’s the latter then We can then have a pre season and transfer window with a new manager and go again next season. To be honest though I think having a Coughlan type manager is the way forward because our board and owner are so far from being leaders at our club what we really need is a tough leader in management of the team because without that our club is a rudderless ship drifting to who knows where. Possibly relegation. Not like you to be so negative socrates. First half today, up to the sending off sounded very like a Coughlan performance. It’s been a bad run I agree but the performances have been better. I guess it’s like lots have said he has a free hit this season now to develop a style of play for next season. And at least the players he brought in look as if they will suit the style he wants. Well, those who have played so far that is. Like always Saturday nights on here usually reflect the result more than the performance and Ogogo’s red card really b******* us up and a hard-working 0-1 defeat might have provoked a different reaction to what looks like a bad defeat. Like we often say, fine margins by the end. But by the end of the season I agree, BG will need to have got some good results and have made our new style clear. I hope he succeeds obviously because I think playing good attacking football under a manager who gives young talent a chance is the way forward for us. Well, at least until things change at the top of our club. UTG! I don’t think I’m being negative Wareham I’m just saying as I see it. It seems around half our support want Garner gone and I’m not in that band, yet. I do find it hard to comprehend some of his choices in selection and tactics but I’m willing to see how it goes between now and May and I think the board should too. Like I said in another thread earlier I think we’ve got a good chance next game and I fancy us to beat Shewsbury at home. If we can do that then it’ll be 7 points from four games. Decent form. For a young inexperienced manager Garner couldn’t have hoped for a better first job really , league 1 is a strange one this season and it’s almost as if he’s got a 6 month pre season in prep for best season. At most clubs in most seasons he’d be on the edge now but at this club in this league and in this season he’s got loads of time. If he’s not got us clicking by May then I don’t think he’ll ever will. |
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Post by socrates on Feb 22, 2020 20:56:15 GMT
Well, I've watched the sending off a few times on the highlights above and the Sunderland player leans into Ogogo, but I can't see what he does to get sent off - although he doesn't seem surprised at the card? It wasn’t the 50/50 challenge, that wasn’t a foul either way it was the way Abu turned to him off the ball and kicked him. Ogogo was rightly sent off , stupid thing to do but I wouldn’t see a problem in suspending their player for going down holding his head either. One ban for kicking out and another for their blatant play acting and unsporting conduct . |
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 22, 2020 21:02:49 GMT
Trying to remember where we were in the league boxing day. It's ok though one win in 15 should get us promoted over a season
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Post by althepirate on Feb 22, 2020 21:09:02 GMT
Trying to remember where we were in the league boxing day. It's ok though one win in 15 should get us promoted over a season It's Evolution not Revolution, but if there isn't some Evolution soon there will soon be a Revolution. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Feb 22, 2020 21:16:47 GMT
Such a weird season? We really have had a season of two halves.
At the beginning I feared a relegation scrap, was amazed we headed for the top 6, amazed GC left, amazed we took on an inexperienced coach (just for the record happy, too) and then amazed we couldn't win a game!
I accepted months ago we wouldn't be top 6 and the bottom 3 would go down. I'm just hoping to turn up and see the shoots of a team playing for the shirt and playing with freedom. I think I can see what type of player he likes, and if he can mould his team like Robbins of Coventry that's fine with me
He's basically got until the start of next season to get us going! Sort out the full back positions and one more creative midfielder and good to go! Maybe.
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Post by aforce on Feb 22, 2020 21:31:32 GMT
We were beat before we even turned up, showed them far too much respect
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 22, 2020 21:35:24 GMT
Play the team not the shirt
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