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Post by pucklegas on Mar 15, 2020 8:44:14 GMT
I will renew my season ticket early for a season which might not start until next year, but everyone needs to keep their money for family and friends, when the schools shut parents will taking unpaid leave with mounting Bill's to pay, much as I am obsessed with the Gas my money will stay with the family, and I will help out friends. This in a strange way might help us because if Hani is not totally committed we might see a change of ownership sooner,and the buyer might negotiate a better deal. We will soon be in lockdown I fear with bars and restaurants closing to stop the spread, BUT they managed to announce football postponements after Racing at Cheltenham had started, very irresponsible to gave held that FFS.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 15, 2020 9:04:56 GMT
Where have I ever expected supporters to cover their loss? I suggest you actually read my posts before using language like that with me. I admire what you are trying to do, but I think you should expect and accept some negativity and criticism. The owners have treated us like mugs and people are angry and frustrated. Good luck to you for having a go at helping, but I think you may find it more productive to ignore the stuff you dont agree with, rather than arguing. I think you’re right and while I expect criticism, I also expect people to actually read the post correctly without getting aggressive towards me. I’m not quite sure why I deserve that.
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 15, 2020 9:48:06 GMT
gassy the owners have got millions they just don’t want to spend it so why the f do you expect supporters to cover their loss? They have been watering us about since they got here,and before you say they’ve been covering 3m a year losses I say it’s bollox and they are putting it against the mem until worthless then tata see you later Where have I ever expected supporters to cover their loss? I suggest you actually read my posts before using language like that with me. sorry dad,you are talking about raising money for the club aren’t you? Who else do you think are going to donate No language aimed at you personally read it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 12:24:07 GMT
Haha. Don’t worry it would take a lot more than that to make me feel bullied! I basically said I don’t want to put in more than the thousands I’ve already put in over the years and the owners shouldn’t expect too much help from the fans given the contempt in which they hold the fanbase . Those like myself won’t be the ones to blame if the club does die I've probably been one of the most positive and optimistic posters in the past but I’ve gradually been worn down by the attitude of our owners and their failure to deliver. If I choose to post something negative on this open forum I will do so thank you very much. If you are going to be speaking with someone with any weight at the club on this matter feel free to mention not all fans are willing to help and such apathy is the result of our board (all two of them). You’re very argumentative, Eric. I’d suggest calming down. I’m trying to come up with ways to help the club, you don’t want part of it and that’s fine, but let’s not get so edgy here. Ok? Not being edgy - just putting across a different viewpoint and one which it seems a number on here agree with. If there is any perceived edginess it’s probably due to being told that the attitude of those not wanting to contribute more of their cash to the club will bear responsibility if the club die.
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 15, 2020 12:30:47 GMT
I admire what you are trying to do, but I think you should expect and accept some negativity and criticism. The owners have treated us like mugs and people are angry and frustrated. Good luck to you for having a go at helping, but I think you may find it more productive to ignore the stuff you dont agree with, rather than arguing. I think you’re right and while I expect criticism, I also expect people to actually read the post correctly without getting aggressive towards me. I’m not quite sure why I deserve that. surely your on a wind up,normal people won’t be getting paid and have bills and families to support Email the players and ask them to half their wages in this bad time,if you got lots of money you donate to millionaires or better still donate to the food banks they are struggling right now
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Post by putterbishopston on Mar 15, 2020 12:41:16 GMT
One thing is for certain, Hani is going to have to dig deep to keep the club going.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 15, 2020 12:45:27 GMT
You’re very argumentative, Eric. I’d suggest calming down. I’m trying to come up with ways to help the club, you don’t want part of it and that’s fine, but let’s not get so edgy here. Ok? Not being edgy - just putting across a different viewpoint and one which it seems a number on here agree with. If there is any perceived edginess it’s probably due to being told that the attitude of those not wanting to contribute more of their cash to the club will bear responsibility if the club die. Again, that’s not what I said. I’d suggest reading posts moving forward. Thanks, Jack
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Post by hollyhillgas on Mar 15, 2020 12:48:48 GMT
Some nice sentiments here, but if I had some spare pennies, it would go to family & friends in need. The FA, EFL, PFA & PL, TV companies, should be the ones to address the issue. I would suggest most of us have gone through financial difficulties at some point, and from my experience there has been little help from Banks, BS or the State for that matter. I’ve been lucky to have the ability to get my head down & work through it. There are a lot of low paid workers that will lose their jobs over this, in the next few months or have to take pay cuts. There will be some able to get their heads down & get through it too - but a lot won’t, some will be Rovers fans. That’s just financially, there is the health issue too. However, to put things into perspective, we only have 4 home games left this season, if it costs us £50k per game, in lost income, then that’s £200k less income, than what was expected last week. Now I realise that some clubs are run so badly that £200k could well be the difference between survival or not, but in our case, to help through the shortfall, some sort of player wage sacrifice could be adopted to include the first team, coaches & manager. Along with that, we have an employed CEO, who despite not knowing much of what’s going on, I’m sure he draws a decent salary, so some reduction should happen there. I’m also sure that the authorities will allow some space on the FFP rules, so the owner could ‘top up’ if so inclined. No apologies for the negativity, it’s how I feel, regarding the way the club from top to bottom ,is being run. I doubt if it's £50k assuming they will not refund season tickets, plus they save on "gig" wages, police and players win bonuses (if any).
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Post by knowall on Mar 15, 2020 13:17:56 GMT
Whilst I understand and sympathise with most of what is contained in this thread, I think it should be remembered that BRFC is a Limited Company, just like thousands of other companies in the UK. Many, of which will face a similar lack of income in the coming months.
The responsibility for keeping the company trading is normally shouldered by the major shareholders and sometimes also the employees. But certainly not the customers.
At times of financial stress, the major shareholders are expected to support the company by putting in funds, and in extreme circumstances and often to protect jobs well-paid employees have been known to agree to a reduced wage.
In the football world, directors and shareholders will be reviewing the current situation, and most owners (shareholders) will know that it is their responsibility to ensure the company stays in a fit financial state to continue trading whenever this crisis ends. They should, and will, take the necessary steps to ensure their club stays alive.
In the case of BRFC the major shareholder is Dwane Sports who will have to step up to the mark and input sufficient funds to keep the company alive and 'kicking'.
The PFA will no doubt have an input as to what if any, part the players have to play in any financial decisions about reducing their contracted pay.
Many football supporters will face their own problems during this crisis and some will likely lose their jobs.
The task, therefore, falls on the Board of Dwane Sports and the Directors of BRFC to solve this likely lack of income and whilst many might like to, it is not the job of supporters, who are simply customers (as they are often reminded).
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Post by Gassy on Mar 15, 2020 13:35:31 GMT
Whilst I understand and sympathise with most of what is contained in this thread, I think it should be remembered that BRFC is a Limited Company, just like thousands of other companies in the UK. Many, of which will face a similar lack of income in the coming months. The responsibility for keeping the company trading is normally shouldered by the major shareholders and sometimes also the employees. But certainly not the customers. At times of financial stress, the major shareholders are expected to support the company by putting in funds, and in extreme circumstances and often to protect jobs well-paid employees have been known to agree to a reduced wage. In the football world, directors and shareholders will be reviewing the current situation, and most owners (shareholders) will know that it is their responsibility to ensure the company stays in a fit financial state to continue trading whenever this crisis ends. They should, and will, take the necessary steps to ensure their club stays alive. In the case of BRFC the major shareholder is Dwane Sports who will have to step up to the mark and input sufficient funds to keep the company alive and 'kicking'. The PFA will no doubt have an input as to what if any, part the players have to play in any financial decisions about reducing their contracted pay. Many football supporters will face their own problems during this crisis and some will likely lose their jobs. The task, therefore, falls on the Board of Dwane Sports and the Directors of BRFC to solve this likely lack of income and whilst many might like to, it is not the job of supporters, who are simply customers (as they are often reminded). Hi Roy, I agree with this. I think its been taken out of proportion the donation side a tad. We all know the communication has been poor between the club and fans, I’m hoping that we can try to fix that now by at least speaking with the club whilst there aren’t any games on which will essentially create a win/win relationship (EG, the fans are able to buy discounted merchandise, flexi tickets, season tickers etc, while the club is able to generate some extra income they might not usually have got) Hence why I’ve wanted to hear ideas from fans because it gives an idea of what would and wouldn’t be of interest.
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 15, 2020 13:40:00 GMT
Whilst I understand and sympathise with most of what is contained in this thread, I think it should be remembered that BRFC is a Limited Company, just like thousands of other companies in the UK. Many, of which will face a similar lack of income in the coming months. The responsibility for keeping the company trading is normally shouldered by the major shareholders and sometimes also the employees. But certainly not the customers. At times of financial stress, the major shareholders are expected to support the company by putting in funds, and in extreme circumstances and often to protect jobs well-paid employees have been known to agree to a reduced wage. In the football world, directors and shareholders will be reviewing the current situation, and most owners (shareholders) will know that it is their responsibility to ensure the company stays in a fit financial state to continue trading whenever this crisis ends. They should, and will, take the necessary steps to ensure their club stays alive. In the case of BRFC the major shareholder is Dwane Sports who will have to step up to the mark and input sufficient funds to keep the company alive and 'kicking'. The PFA will no doubt have an input as to what if any, part the players have to play in any financial decisions about reducing their contracted pay. Many football supporters will face their own problems during this crisis and some will likely lose their jobs. The task, therefore, falls on the Board of Dwane Sports and the Directors of BRFC to solve this likely lack of income and whilst many might like to, it is not the job of supporters, who are simply customers (as they are often reminded). Roy never thought I would agree with you but spot on, with people dying football is the least of our problems
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2020 13:48:31 GMT
Whilst I understand and sympathise with most of what is contained in this thread, I think it should be remembered that BRFC is a Limited Company, just like thousands of other companies in the UK. Many, of which will face a similar lack of income in the coming months. The responsibility for keeping the company trading is normally shouldered by the major shareholders and sometimes also the employees. But certainly not the customers. At times of financial stress, the major shareholders are expected to support the company by putting in funds, and in extreme circumstances and often to protect jobs well-paid employees have been known to agree to a reduced wage. In the football world, directors and shareholders will be reviewing the current situation, and most owners (shareholders) will know that it is their responsibility to ensure the company stays in a fit financial state to continue trading whenever this crisis ends. They should, and will, take the necessary steps to ensure their club stays alive. In the case of BRFC the major shareholder is Dwane Sports who will have to step up to the mark and input sufficient funds to keep the company alive and 'kicking'. The PFA will no doubt have an input as to what if any, part the players have to play in any financial decisions about reducing their contracted pay. Many football supporters will face their own problems during this crisis and some will likely lose their jobs. The task, therefore, falls on the Board of Dwane Sports and the Directors of BRFC to solve this likely lack of income and whilst many might like to, it is not the job of supporters, who are simply customers (as they are often reminded). So if Hani states because of the CV issues in Jordan he's decided he can't plough anymore money into Rovers, you'd then be content to see the club go under just on a matter of principle that the owners should always bail out a Ltd company in their time of need? Just like Bolton's owners didn't do recently. What about the £150K+(?) your mates are sat on in the SC, isn't this really a time they should be looking to support the club and offering to support them with that money, even if it's only by way of a short term loan, or is JC/KM keeping that in reserve for when they have to pay their solicitors bills? Perhaps you can supply a link to where Wael or MS has ever called fans "customers" as I can't recall either ever doing that, I sense only your other mate Hamer as ever suggested that's the case, although surely we've no worries anyway as good news is coming in October, not sure which year though. As I've posted earlier on this thread we really need a statement from Wael/the ALQ's advising if they are prepared to support the club over the next few months, if they aren't then I'll support Gassy with whatever money I can afford to keep Rovers until we can play again, if you won't then I'd question whether you are a true Gashead.
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Post by toddy1953 on Mar 15, 2020 17:13:11 GMT
Whilst I understand and sympathise with most of what is contained in this thread, I think it should be remembered that BRFC is a Limited Company, just like thousands of other companies in the UK. Many, of which will face a similar lack of income in the coming months. The responsibility for keeping the company trading is normally shouldered by the major shareholders and sometimes also the employees. But certainly not the customers. At times of financial stress, the major shareholders are expected to support the company by putting in funds, and in extreme circumstances and often to protect jobs well-paid employees have been known to agree to a reduced wage. In the football world, directors and shareholders will be reviewing the current situation, and most owners (shareholders) will know that it is their responsibility to ensure the company stays in a fit financial state to continue trading whenever this crisis ends. They should, and will, take the necessary steps to ensure their club stays alive. In the case of BRFC the major shareholder is Dwane Sports who will have to step up to the mark and input sufficient funds to keep the company alive and 'kicking'. The PFA will no doubt have an input as to what if any, part the players have to play in any financial decisions about reducing their contracted pay. Many football supporters will face their own problems during this crisis and some will likely lose their jobs. The task, therefore, falls on the Board of Dwane Sports and the Directors of BRFC to solve this likely lack of income and whilst many might like to, it is not the job of supporters, who are simply customers (as they are often reminded). So if Hani states because of the CV issues in Jordan he's decided he can't plough anymore money into Rovers, you'd then be content to see the club go under just on a matter of principle that the owners should always bail out a Ltd company in their time of need? Just like Bolton's owners didn't do recently. What about the £150K+(?) your mates are sat on in the SC, isn't this really a time they should be looking to support the club and offering to support them with that money, even if it's only by way of a short term loan, or is JC/KM keeping that in reserve for when they have to pay their solicitors bills? Perhaps you can supply a link to where Wael or MS has ever called fans "customers" as I can't recall either ever doing that, I sense only your other mate Hamer as ever suggested that's the case, although surely we've no worries anyway as good news is coming in October, not sure which year though. As I've posted earlier on this thread we really need a statement from Wael/the ALQ's advising if they are prepared to support the club over the next few months, if they aren't then I'll support Gassy with whatever money I can afford to keep Rovers until we can play again, if you won't then I'd question whether you are a true Gashead. Totally disagree with this. Utter nonsense!! if Wael & co aren’t prepared to support their business, then why & the hell should the customers pay? The club won’t go under because a few games are postponed. If it does then that’s due to the mismanagement of the owners. As for the true Gashead quote - pathetic!
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Post by knowall on Mar 15, 2020 17:52:25 GMT
Whilst I understand and sympathise with most of what is contained in this thread, I think it should be remembered that BRFC is a Limited Company, just like thousands of other companies in the UK. Many, of which will face a similar lack of income in the coming months. The responsibility for keeping the company trading is normally shouldered by the major shareholders and sometimes also the employees. But certainly not the customers. At times of financial stress, the major shareholders are expected to support the company by putting in funds, and in extreme circumstances and often to protect jobs well-paid employees have been known to agree to a reduced wage. In the football world, directors and shareholders will be reviewing the current situation, and most owners (shareholders) will know that it is their responsibility to ensure the company stays in a fit financial state to continue trading whenever this crisis ends. They should, and will, take the necessary steps to ensure their club stays alive. In the case of BRFC the major shareholder is Dwane Sports who will have to step up to the mark and input sufficient funds to keep the company alive and 'kicking'. The PFA will no doubt have an input as to what if any, part the players have to play in any financial decisions about reducing their contracted pay. Many football supporters will face their own problems during this crisis and some will likely lose their jobs. The task, therefore, falls on the Board of Dwane Sports and the Directors of BRFC to solve this likely lack of income and whilst many might like to, it is not the job of supporters, who are simply customers (as they are often reminded). So if Hani states because of the CV issues in Jordan he's decided he can't plough anymore money into Rovers, you'd then be content to see the club go under just on a matter of principle that the owners should always bail out a Ltd company in their time of need? Just like Bolton's owners didn't do recently. What about the £150K+(?) your mates are sat on in the SC, isn't this really a time they should be looking to support the club and offering to support them with that money, even if it's only by way of a short term loan, or is JC/KM keeping that in reserve for when they have to pay their solicitors bills? Perhaps you can supply a link to where Wael or MS has ever called fans "customers" as I can't recall either ever doing that, I sense only your other mate Hamer as ever suggested that's the case, although surely we've no worries anyway as good news is coming in October, not sure which year though. As I've posted earlier on this thread we really need a statement from Wael/the ALQ's advising if they are prepared to support the club over the next few months, if they aren't then I'll support Gassy with whatever money I can afford to keep Rovers until we can play again, if you won't then I'd question whether you are a true Gashead. So your logic is - 'if Boots or your local shop is unable to pay it's bills, we should all donate to keep it going and save the shareholders of those businesses - even if they are substantially better off the you? I hear Virgin Airline is worried too - should we or Richard Branson bail them out? Regarding the use of the term 'customers' - what would you call us supporters now? - we have no control or authority! But we do buy the product. I agree that the owners should issue a statement, if for no other reason than to assure season ticket holders that they know we have paid for something we may not receive. Incidentally, I do have many pals who are connected with the SC, as I am sure you do, but I would not be so presumptive to suggest what they should be doing especially as I am not a member of that excellent organisation who have rowed in over the years many times when the Football Club needed help. Oh, and by the way, I have not spoken to Mr Hamer for probably ten months, and that was at a meeting as a member of the Presidents Club Committee when assuring Wael Al-Qadi that the PC would continue to support him and his family and we would be continue electing his father to the position of President of the PC. And maybe finally, if Hani Al-Qadi is unable to keep the football club alive financially then he should do what the previous Board did and put the Club up for sale? and thereby protect his family fortune.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2020 18:26:28 GMT
So if Hani states because of the CV issues in Jordan he's decided he can't plough anymore money into Rovers, you'd then be content to see the club go under just on a matter of principle that the owners should always bail out a Ltd company in their time of need? Just like Bolton's owners didn't do recently. What about the £150K+(?) your mates are sat on in the SC, isn't this really a time they should be looking to support the club and offering to support them with that money, even if it's only by way of a short term loan, or is JC/KM keeping that in reserve for when they have to pay their solicitors bills? Perhaps you can supply a link to where Wael or MS has ever called fans "customers" as I can't recall either ever doing that, I sense only your other mate Hamer as ever suggested that's the case, although surely we've no worries anyway as good news is coming in October, not sure which year though. As I've posted earlier on this thread we really need a statement from Wael/the ALQ's advising if they are prepared to support the club over the next few months, if they aren't then I'll support Gassy with whatever money I can afford to keep Rovers until we can play again, if you won't then I'd question whether you are a true Gashead. So your logic is - 'if Boots or your local shop is unable to pay it's bills, we should all donate to keep it going and save the shareholders of those businesses - even if they are substantially better off the you? I hear Virgin Airline is worried too - should we or Richard Branson bail them out? Regarding the use of the term 'customers' - what would you call us supporters now? - we have no control or authority! But we do buy the product. I agree that the owners should issue a statement, if for no other reason than to assure season ticket holders that they know we have paid for something we may not receive. Incidentally, I do have many pals who are connected with the SC, as I am sure you do, but I would not be so presumptive to suggest what they should be doing especially as I am not a member of that excellent organisation who have rowed in over the years many times when the Football Club needed help. Oh, and by the way, I have not spoken to Mr Hamer for probably ten months, and that was at a meeting as a member of the Presidents Club Committee when assuring Wael Al-Qadi that the PC would continue to support him and his family and we would be continue electing his father to the position of President of the PC. And maybe finally, if Hani Al-Qadi is unable to keep the football club alive financially then he should do what the previous Board did and put the Club up for sale? and thereby protect his family fortune. You just don't get do you, if Boots went bust I'd just shop at Lloyds Chemists etc but if Rovers go under I certainly won't be going to Ashton Gate or look forward to watching BRCF2020 play Mangotsfield or Yate. Whilst the ALQ's may well be better off than me I've no idea where their priorities lie at the moment, bearing in mind Jordan have just announced all international travel is to be banned from next week and the country is basically in lock down I sense their priorities could well lie at home, rather than worrying about an English L1 football club. As far as putting us up for sale, unless you're selling bog roll etc at the moment I doubt you'll sell anything of any value for the next few months, certainly not a football club which could well go bust before we play another league game. As far as season tickets are concerned I personally feel they should be pulled from sale until we know 1) we have a clue to watch next season 2) when this season actually end and next season is due to start. Perhaps Gassy can let us know just how concerned TG/MS are about the club weathering this storm when he meets up with them?
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Post by hollyhillgas on Mar 15, 2020 18:44:31 GMT
At a guess I would expect most clubs to survive this season. Then the poor and not so rich clubs will do what the worlds other employers have been doing for last 50 years, cut employees and wages. The 20k a week championship player will become an endangered species.
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Post by Gasshole on Mar 15, 2020 20:15:47 GMT
Best for the SC to keep hold of that $150K, as it may be needed if we have to reform the FC. Alternatively we could have a night out at the Bingo.
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Post by Gassy on Mar 15, 2020 20:27:29 GMT
So your logic is - 'if Boots or your local shop is unable to pay it's bills, we should all donate to keep it going and save the shareholders of those businesses - even if they are substantially better off the you? I hear Virgin Airline is worried too - should we or Richard Branson bail them out? Regarding the use of the term 'customers' - what would you call us supporters now? - we have no control or authority! But we do buy the product. I agree that the owners should issue a statement, if for no other reason than to assure season ticket holders that they know we have paid for something we may not receive. Incidentally, I do have many pals who are connected with the SC, as I am sure you do, but I would not be so presumptive to suggest what they should be doing especially as I am not a member of that excellent organisation who have rowed in over the years many times when the Football Club needed help. Oh, and by the way, I have not spoken to Mr Hamer for probably ten months, and that was at a meeting as a member of the Presidents Club Committee when assuring Wael Al-Qadi that the PC would continue to support him and his family and we would be continue electing his father to the position of President of the PC. And maybe finally, if Hani Al-Qadi is unable to keep the football club alive financially then he should do what the previous Board did and put the Club up for sale? and thereby protect his family fortune. You just don't get do you, if Boots went bust I'd just shop at Lloyds Chemists etc but if Rovers go under I certainly won't be going to Ashton Gate or look forward to watching BRCF2020 play Mangotsfield or Yate. Whilst the ALQ's may well be better off than me I've no idea where their priorities lie at the moment, bearing in mind Jordan have just announced all international travel is to be banned from next week and the country is basically in lock down I sense their priorities could well lie at home, rather than worrying about an English L1 football club. As far as putting us up for sale, unless you're selling bog roll etc at the moment I doubt you'll sell anything of any value for the next few months, certainly not a football club which could well go bust before we play another league game. As far as season tickets are concerned I personally feel they should be pulled from sale until we know 1) we have a clue to watch next season 2) when this season actually end and next season is due to start. Perhaps Gassy can let us know just how concerned TG/MS are about the club weathering this storm when he meets up with them? Should be tomorrow afternoon, will keep you in the loop!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 20:35:58 GMT
At a guess I would expect most clubs to survive this season. Then the poor and not so rich clubs will do what the worlds other employers have been doing for last 50 years, cut employees and wages. The 20k a week championship player will become an endangered species. Amen to that
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Post by lpgas on Mar 15, 2020 21:37:28 GMT
I have previously said I am not going to buy a season ticket for next season, because I need a lot more convincing that Garner knows what he is doing. Having said that we will all be better off this summer because we will all save from not being allowed to go on foreign holidays this year. So Weymouth it is!
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