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Post by Gasshole on Mar 15, 2020 22:05:28 GMT
Maybe the club could start selling red toilet paper.
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Post by paulpirate on Mar 15, 2020 22:36:18 GMT
I have previously said I am not going to buy a season ticket for next season, because I need a lot more convincing that Garner knows what he is doing. Having said that we will all be better off this summer because we will all save from not being allowed to go on foreign holidays this year. So Weymouth it is! fully booked already
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Post by darkbluegas on Mar 16, 2020 11:10:29 GMT
Do we know here, which player contracts are up this June. I’d imagine if the club has no income they will be allowed to expire as we can’t pay salaries. With no income how long can the ALQ’s continue to cover the debt.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 16, 2020 11:28:56 GMT
Do we know here, which player contracts are up this June. I’d imagine if the club has no income they will be allowed to expire as we can’t pay salaries. With no income how long can the ALQ’s continue to cover the debt. Apart from BG's new signings, JCH & Kilgore plus Bennett I doubt many players have contracts after June, not really sure what will happen if this season ever re-starts after June!
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2020 11:34:02 GMT
One thing is for certain, Hani is going to have to dig deep to keep the club going. Nothing is certain yet. I am guessing there will be meetings going on with all the governing bodies but, as I always say, I could be wring
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Post by knowall on Mar 16, 2020 12:02:30 GMT
Whilst I understand and sympathise with most of what is contained in this thread, I think it should be remembered that BRFC is a Limited Company, just like thousands of other companies in the UK. Many, of which will face a similar lack of income in the coming months. The responsibility for keeping the company trading is normally shouldered by the major shareholders and sometimes also the employees. But certainly not the customers. At times of financial stress, the major shareholders are expected to support the company by putting in funds, and in extreme circumstances and often to protect jobs well-paid employees have been known to agree to a reduced wage. In the football world, directors and shareholders will be reviewing the current situation, and most owners (shareholders) will know that it is their responsibility to ensure the company stays in a fit financial state to continue trading whenever this crisis ends. They should, and will, take the necessary steps to ensure their club stays alive. In the case of BRFC the major shareholder is Dwane Sports who will have to step up to the mark and input sufficient funds to keep the company alive and 'kicking'. The PFA will no doubt have an input as to what if any, part the players have to play in any financial decisions about reducing their contracted pay. Many football supporters will face their own problems during this crisis and some will likely lose their jobs. The task, therefore, falls on the Board of Dwane Sports and the Directors of BRFC to solve this likely lack of income and whilst many might like to, it is not the job of supporters, who are simply customers (as they are often reminded). So if Hani states because of the CV issues in Jordan he's decided he can't plough anymore money into Rovers, you'd then be content to see the club go under just on a matter of principle that the owners should always bail out a Ltd company in their time of need? Just like Bolton's owners didn't do recently. What about the £150K+(?) your mates are sat on in the SC, isn't this really a time they should be looking to support the club and offering to support them with that money, even if it's only by way of a short term loan, or is JC/KM keeping that in reserve for when they have to pay their solicitors bills? Perhaps you can supply a link to where Wael or MS has ever called fans "customers" as I can't recall either ever doing that, I sense only your other mate Hamer as ever suggested that's the case, although surely we've no worries anyway as good news is coming in October, not sure which year though. As I've posted earlier on this thread we really need a statement from Wael/the ALQ's advising if they are prepared to support the club over the next few months, if they aren't then I'll support Gassy with whatever money I can afford to keep Rovers until we can play again, if you won't then I'd question whether you are a true Gashead. Very commendable Topper to pay whatever you can to help the Club and thereby Dwane Sports. But,I think you will need to donate more than you realise as the Club costs around £600,000/700,000 per month to function and I am not sure how much you and other well meaning gasheads would be able to contribute to cover that amount? OK, I accept saving on food, transport, security etc will reduce that figure if there are no matches, but even if all 6000 of us (true gasheads) paid in £10 per week that would only raise at the most, half that amount. You say ' if Hani can't plough more money' and I am not sure why you should suggest that? Perhaps you know something? As for priorities, surely the future of BRFC should be among the priorities of the Al-Qadi's?, but if not, and they genuinely do care about BRFC then it would surely be an option to pass the Club on to some others who might wish, and be able, to help out? That, after all, is exactly what Mr Higgs and his co- directors did a few years ago rather than allowing the club (business) to suffer hardship or even fold.
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Post by darkbluegas on Mar 16, 2020 14:19:07 GMT
So if Hani states because of the CV issues in Jordan he's decided he can't plough anymore money into Rovers, you'd then be content to see the club go under just on a matter of principle that the owners should always bail out a Ltd company in their time of need? Just like Bolton's owners didn't do recently. What about the £150K+(?) your mates are sat on in the SC, isn't this really a time they should be looking to support the club and offering to support them with that money, even if it's only by way of a short term loan, or is JC/KM keeping that in reserve for when they have to pay their solicitors bills? Perhaps you can supply a link to where Wael or MS has ever called fans "customers" as I can't recall either ever doing that, I sense only your other mate Hamer as ever suggested that's the case, although surely we've no worries anyway as good news is coming in October, not sure which year though. As I've posted earlier on this thread we really need a statement from Wael/the ALQ's advising if they are prepared to support the club over the next few months, if they aren't then I'll support Gassy with whatever money I can afford to keep Rovers until we can play again, if you won't then I'd question whether you are a true Gashead. Very commendable Topper to pay whatever you can to help the Club and thereby Dwane Sports. But,I think you will need to donate more than you realise as the Club costs around £600,000/700,000 per month to function and I am not sure how much you and other well meaning gasheads would be able to contribute to cover that amount? OK, I accept saving on food, transport, security etc will reduce that figure if there are no matches, but even if all 6000 of us (true gasheads) paid in £10 per week that would only raise at the most, half that amount. You say ' if Hani can't plough more money' and I am not sure why you should suggest that? Perhaps you know something? As for priorities, surely the future of BRFC should be among the priorities of the Al-Qadi's?, but if not, and they genuinely do care about BRFC then it would surely be an option to pass the Club on to some others who might wish, and be able, to help out? That, after all, is exactly what Mr Higgs and his co- directors did a few years ago rather than allowing the club (business) to suffer hardship or even fold. I would imagine in light of current events they have an asset that no one would pay much for. They at least need their loan back held against the ground but I would imagine that value would exceed the value of the club so we’re probably stuck with each other. I’m guessing all contracts expiring in June will be allowed to end. If players are then in hardship the PFA will have to step in. I think it’ll be the same for most 3rd and 4th division clubs. Anything else would be financial suicide. Then a big rebuilding job when things resume in god knows when.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Mar 16, 2020 14:35:12 GMT
Maybe the club could start selling red toilet paper.
Mine is normally red after ive finished anyway...
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 16, 2020 14:35:56 GMT
So if Hani states because of the CV issues in Jordan he's decided he can't plough anymore money into Rovers, you'd then be content to see the club go under just on a matter of principle that the owners should always bail out a Ltd company in their time of need? Just like Bolton's owners didn't do recently. What about the £150K+(?) your mates are sat on in the SC, isn't this really a time they should be looking to support the club and offering to support them with that money, even if it's only by way of a short term loan, or is JC/KM keeping that in reserve for when they have to pay their solicitors bills? Perhaps you can supply a link to where Wael or MS has ever called fans "customers" as I can't recall either ever doing that, I sense only your other mate Hamer as ever suggested that's the case, although surely we've no worries anyway as good news is coming in October, not sure which year though. As I've posted earlier on this thread we really need a statement from Wael/the ALQ's advising if they are prepared to support the club over the next few months, if they aren't then I'll support Gassy with whatever money I can afford to keep Rovers until we can play again, if you won't then I'd question whether you are a true Gashead. Very commendable Topper to pay whatever you can to help the Club and thereby Dwane Sports. But,I think you will need to donate more than you realise as the Club costs around £600,000/700,000 per month to function and I am not sure how much you and other well meaning gasheads would be able to contribute to cover that amount? OK, I accept saving on food, transport, security etc will reduce that figure if there are no matches, but even if all 6000 of us (true gasheads) paid in £10 per week that would only raise at the most, half that amount. You say ' if Hani can't plough more money' and I am not sure why you should suggest that? Perhaps you know something? As for priorities, surely the future of BRFC should be among the priorities of the Al-Qadi's?, but if not, and they genuinely do care about BRFC then it would surely be an option to pass the Club on to some others who might wish, and be able, to help out? That, after all, is exactly what Mr Higgs and his co- directors did a few years ago rather than allowing the club (business) to suffer hardship or even fold. I've no idea what the ALQ's financial situation is in their home land, have you? When the likes of BA in the UK say they might have to go into Admin anything is surely now possible. Although uur UK banks seem, so far, to be unaffected by CV so hopefully that's also the case in Jordan, although I'd imagine the ALQ's tourist enterprise is taking an hammering. Pretty sure I've said this already but who in their right minds is going to buy a football club at the moment, even if the ALQ's decided they had to sell? We clearly don't need £600K+ just to function as that's turnover not just expenditure on players wages etc.
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Post by knowall on Mar 16, 2020 14:46:35 GMT
Very commendable Topper to pay whatever you can to help the Club and thereby Dwane Sports. But,I think you will need to donate more than you realise as the Club costs around £600,000/700,000 per month to function and I am not sure how much you and other well meaning gasheads would be able to contribute to cover that amount? OK, I accept saving on food, transport, security etc will reduce that figure if there are no matches, but even if all 6000 of us (true gasheads) paid in £10 per week that would only raise at the most, half that amount. You say ' if Hani can't plough more money' and I am not sure why you should suggest that? Perhaps you know something? As for priorities, surely the future of BRFC should be among the priorities of the Al-Qadi's?, but if not, and they genuinely do care about BRFC then it would surely be an option to pass the Club on to some others who might wish, and be able, to help out? That, after all, is exactly what Mr Higgs and his co- directors did a few years ago rather than allowing the club (business) to suffer hardship or even fold. I would imagine in light of current events they have an asset that no one would pay much for. They at least need their loan back held against the ground but I would imagine that value would exceed the value of the club so we’re probably stuck with each other. I’m guessing all contracts expiring in June will be allowed to end. If players are then in hardship the PFA will have to step in. I think it’ll be the same for most 3rd and 4th division clubs. Anything else would be financial suicide. Then a big rebuilding job when things resume in god knows when. Interesting - you say 'they have an asset that no one would pay much for' and then 'they at least need their loan back' - but if that is the case, and assuming until football returns it will bring them no income but still cost something. (Some staff are on longer contracts - the manager for instance is alleged to have secured a 30 month contract). Added to which (if) when football returns there will be an up front additional cost, is it really in their interest to go on funding an empty stadium rather than cut their losses now? What a dilemma!
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Post by darkbluegas on Mar 16, 2020 15:03:54 GMT
I would imagine in light of current events they have an asset that no one would pay much for. They at least need their loan back held against the ground but I would imagine that value would exceed the value of the club so we’re probably stuck with each other. I’m guessing all contracts expiring in June will be allowed to end. If players are then in hardship the PFA will have to step in. I think it’ll be the same for most 3rd and 4th division clubs. Anything else would be financial suicide. Then a big rebuilding job when things resume in god knows when. Interesting - you say 'they have an asset that no one would pay much for' and then 'they at least need their loan back' - but if that is the case, and assuming until football returns it will bring them no income but still cost something. (Some staff are on longer contracts - the manager for instance is alleged to have secured a 30 month contract). Added to which (if) when football returns there will be an up front additional cost, is it really in their interest to go on funding an empty stadium rather than cut their losses now? What a dilemma! I’m suggesting they’re in a negative equity situation with their main asset. The club is £20 million in debt and I’m not sure the sale of the club would clear that. I’m unsure how much of the £20m is owed to the ALQ’s. So do they stick or twist? I get the feeling we almost mothball the club as much as we can
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Post by knowall on Mar 16, 2020 15:24:03 GMT
Very commendable Topper to pay whatever you can to help the Club and thereby Dwane Sports. But,I think you will need to donate more than you realise as the Club costs around £600,000/700,000 per month to function and I am not sure how much you and other well meaning gasheads would be able to contribute to cover that amount? OK, I accept saving on food, transport, security etc will reduce that figure if there are no matches, but even if all 6000 of us (true gasheads) paid in £10 per week that would only raise at the most, half that amount. You say ' if Hani can't plough more money' and I am not sure why you should suggest that? Perhaps you know something? As for priorities, surely the future of BRFC should be among the priorities of the Al-Qadi's?, but if not, and they genuinely do care about BRFC then it would surely be an option to pass the Club on to some others who might wish, and be able, to help out? That, after all, is exactly what Mr Higgs and his co- directors did a few years ago rather than allowing the club (business) to suffer hardship or even fold. I've no idea what the ALQ's financial situation is in their home land, have you? When the likes of BA in the UK say they might have to go into Admin anything is surely now possible. Although uur UK banks seem, so far, to be unaffected by CV so hopefully that's also the case in Jordan, although I'd imagine the ALQ's tourist enterprise is taking an hammering. Pretty sure I've said this already but who in their right minds is going to buy a football club at the moment, even if the ALQ's decided they had to sell? We clearly don't need £600K+ just to function as that's turnover not just expenditure on players wages etc. From my background in secondary banking I would guess that the Al-Qadi family are at the very least 'comfortable' compared with many others, and I would also assume that they are very astute people who will have a different perspective on the current crisis than most. My experience is that bankers are more adept to changing tack from a deficit to a profitable situation - why 'plough more money into a losing situation when there is an opportunity to make money elsewhere?' Incidentally, to your point about figures, wages to players and staff in recent years has been £5,000,000 to £6,000,000 as confirmed by accounts lodged at Companies House.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 16, 2020 16:35:23 GMT
I've no idea what the ALQ's financial situation is in their home land, have you? When the likes of BA in the UK say they might have to go into Admin anything is surely now possible. Although uur UK banks seem, so far, to be unaffected by CV so hopefully that's also the case in Jordan, although I'd imagine the ALQ's tourist enterprise is taking an hammering. Pretty sure I've said this already but who in their right minds is going to buy a football club at the moment, even if the ALQ's decided they had to sell? We clearly don't need £600K+ just to function as that's turnover not just expenditure on players wages etc. From my background in secondary banking I would guess that the Al-Qadi family are at the very least 'comfortable' compared with many others, and I would also assume that they are very astute people who will have a different perspective on the current crisis than most. My experience is that bankers are more adept to changing tack from a deficit to a profitable situation - why 'plough more money into a losing situation when there is an opportunity to make money elsewhere?' Incidentally, to your point about figures, wages to players and staff in recent years has been £5,000,000 to £6,000,000 as confirmed by accounts lodged at Companies House. £5m p.a. is around £400K p.m. so not the £500K/£600K you quoted but that figure includes bar staff etc who are probably on zero hours contracts, plus the cub are already losing £200K+ p.m. whether we play or not, which suggests the figure of £200K/£250K for losing the 4 games might well be quite accurate. I can't see the ALQ's will be throwing in the towel over or putting us into Admin over just another £250K loss.
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Post by knowall on Mar 16, 2020 17:54:54 GMT
From my background in secondary banking I would guess that the Al-Qadi family are at the very least 'comfortable' compared with many others, and I would also assume that they are very astute people who will have a different perspective on the current crisis than most. My experience is that bankers are more adept to changing tack from a deficit to a profitable situation - why 'plough more money into a losing situation when there is an opportunity to make money elsewhere?' Incidentally, to your point about figures, wages to players and staff in recent years has been £5,000,000 to £6,000,000 as confirmed by accounts lodged at Companies House. £5m p.a. is around £400K p.m. so not the £500K/£600K you quoted but that figure includes bar staff etc who are probably on zero hours contracts, plus the cub are already losing £200K+ p.m. whether we play or not, which suggests the figure of £200K/£250K for losing the 4 games might well be quite accurate. I can't see the ALQ's will be throwing in the towel over or putting us into Admin over just another £250K loss. I really do not understand where you are coming from? The cost of wages has risen from £5m to £6m to £?last year (rising each year) but I confess I had forgotten how many thousands the bar staff earn per hour! Plus the loss is not per game, but loss per week which is running at £67000 per week on recent figures but that includes an income which will not be there for the time ahead. I am sure Martyn Starnes will have the figures at his finger tips which by now will probably be bitten down to the flesh!
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 16, 2020 18:43:57 GMT
£5m p.a. is around £400K p.m. so not the £500K/£600K you quoted but that figure includes bar staff etc who are probably on zero hours contracts, plus the cub are already losing £200K+ p.m. whether we play or not, which suggests the figure of £200K/£250K for losing the 4 games might well be quite accurate. I can't see the ALQ's will be throwing in the towel over or putting us into Admin over just another £250K loss. I really do not understand where you are coming from? The cost of wages has risen from £5m to £6m to £?last year (rising each year) but I confess I had forgotten how many thousands the bar staff earn per hour! Plus the loss is not per game, but loss per week which is running at £67000 per week on recent figures but that includes an income which will not be there for the time ahead. I am sure Martyn Starnes will have the figures at his finger tips which by now will probably be bitten down to the flesh! I don't understand where you're coming from, your original post said fans ( or was it customers?) don't need to worry about the losses due to CV as that's for the owners to worry about, but ever since you've been posting how bleak the club's finances are and the most likely only way out is for the ALQ's to sell up and move on. Think it's time you moved on and stop being obsessed about the ALQ's selling up, so your mates can get their hands on the club on the cheap.
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Post by socrates on Mar 16, 2020 23:47:20 GMT
Thanks to those with suggestions, I really do appreciate it! I do find the level of amount of negativity rather disappointing. I think what people are failing to understand is that I'm not just saying let's donate all my cash to billionaires, I'm trying to see how fans can help save our club. I've not said 'this is what we're doing' I've asked for people's ideas - just imagine if every person who refused actually came up with an idea instead? Ultimately as someone said buying season tickets are the priority, we have an opportunity here to work with the club to improve engagement and help the club get through to next season/the summer. For those that don't want to help, that's not a problem, your feedback is always appreciated as it gives a general feeling of how the fanbase feel. However, I do ask anyone and everyone to try come up with an idea what we can do, because there is a very high possibility the club won't receive ticket income until August at the earliest. No idea is a bad idea. Ideas so far: - Tickets for postponed games: The idea here is you can pay the club a 'donation fee' towards each home game coming up. So in theory, next game would be Rochdale. The idea would be that you contribute X amount (minimum £10) towards a ticket. When the fixture is rearranged you only pay the remaining difference. If it's not replayed, you'll have a voucher issued to you for a discount on the next home game (must be used in 1 year) or something like that. Doing this would also give you discounts in store to encourage spending. - Virtual 50/50 draw - Development games at the Mem (So Tom was telling me that staff at the club has been told to work from home and only come in once a week during this time, this might not be allowed however I definitely think it's a great idea) - Player sponsorship? So we already have a fans forum sponsorship, perhaps we could do another whip around, but instead of the forum, we can pick charities such as food banks or charities already associated with the club that will now miss out because of gap in match days - Donations: If people would just like to donate, it's worth having the option. This would come with terms though, such as it's expected to have this money tracked and shown specifically what it is used for (EG, players wages, staff wages etc). - Donations 2.0: Either the same as above or slightly different, but for each £1 gifted to the club the owners must match the 'gift'. We'd need proof again of this. - Club to do more promotions to encourage spending during this time. As an example, I see no reason why they shouldn't start selling personalised birthday/easter cards from players or something. They must be hand written and you could choose which player(s) write/sign them. A type of black Friday sale could be worth considering. - Webinars/online talks: Not sure how this could work/if there would be any interest there. But topics could be worth doing, however I'm not sure if anyone would pay. Maybe something from Gorringe himself, a topic on "How do maximise investment in football" or perhaps "An introduction to the commercial footballing world" - Personally I know I'd be interested in this and it could be very interesting for fans to find out more or young fans could learn a bit more about sports business etc. - Hospitality packages/meals still to happen? Not sure if this would be allowed, especially if the government stops gatherings. But in theory the club could still hold meals/catering? Feedback is very welcome please guys, any more ideas then please let me know! Cheers, Jack I agree with your first paragraph especially. I’m not going to renew my season ticket next week to help out a couple of multi millionaires who I’ve met once and just so happen to own our club and have done for what three years . I’m going to renew it because I’ve been part of my club for nearly 40 years and it’s a club that’s been around since 1883. That goes deeper than whoever happens to own our club right now. For what it’s worth i hope they sell up at some point and we see better times financially and also on the pitch but they are what they are and to be honest whoever the board has been at Rovers has never played a part in whether I support or not , managers ? Same. They come and go and as long as my football club doesn’t “ go” then I’ll still have my club to support.
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Post by scdave on Mar 17, 2020 9:32:40 GMT
How about a special match voucher for non ST holders.
Pay £15 and when an all ticket game comes along the holder gets the chance to buy a match ticket at the same time as a ST.
If say Exeter away is £23 then they just pay the £8 difference.
Fans can buy as many as they wish and the voucher lasts two seasons. If the voucher is not used in two seasons they get the £15 back, but the voucher cannot be redeemed for cash until then.
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Post by gasheadontour on Mar 17, 2020 10:50:39 GMT
Sky News has just reported that restrictions could last 18 months.
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Post by wertongas on Mar 17, 2020 11:56:43 GMT
When I was talking to the club last summer, our debts were I believe to be in the region of 15 million and set to rise further before levelling off, however with reduced gates and now no games the levelling off will probably be delayed. perhaps to bring additional money in now to cover the loss of match day revenue, the club could encourage those who don't want to purchase a season ticket for next year to purchase a reduced term ticket say for half a season or number of games. Roy says the owners should cover the loss, but they have put little real money into the club so far other than securing debt, all ground improvements have been paid through sponsorship and other costs have been covered by revenue, where possible with debts rising, I don't think Wael and family have written off any of the debt.
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Post by legas on Mar 18, 2020 10:56:23 GMT
Thinking of helping the club by purchasing this season’s shirt for me and the kids online. I know there have been posts in the past about ordering one size up due to the style of the shirt but is this what people would still advise for this one (I’m a M for all other clothes)?
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