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Post by oldtoteender on Mar 15, 2020 20:02:34 GMT
With most teams having only 9 or so fixtures left maybe best way to sort final positions out would be to play them behind closed doors, two fixtures per week plus playoffs could be done and dusted by middle of May ?? Plus Clubs maybe able to get some revenue from TV coverage Sky BT IFOLLOW BBC QUEST ETC.
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Post by axegas on Mar 15, 2020 20:21:39 GMT
I don’t think this is the way to go, personally. You’ve got to take the players, managers and officials health and well-being into account, a few clubs over here are self isolating over Coronavirus fears and in Italy, there is a growing list of players that have already contracted the virus. Even with no fans present there is still a lot of people they could potentially come into contact with. Their general health is a lot more important than Football.
Then there’s also the fact that playing behind closed doors is a bit rubbish. Was watching Dortmund vs PSG the other day and it was like a training game at times, could you imagine a playoff final with no fans allowed to be present? What is football without the fans in attendance anyway? It’s supposed to be a spectator sport.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Mar 15, 2020 20:34:23 GMT
I don’t know if there is a solution that will make everyone happy but playing behind closed doors isn’t the answer in my opinion. Football is for the fans. I also think scrapping this season would be an injustice to the teams doing well. I also think it would be a disgrace if Bolton got off the hook and started next year in league one. The media have only talked about Liverpool’s bid for the title and relegation to the championship but it’s hardly been mentioned as to what is likely to happen and what is fair in the lower leagues. In my opinion, the season must be finished. Player contracts will be the big sticking point there though.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2020 20:35:50 GMT
There's a good chance the whole of the UK will be in lock down later this month, do posters think football clubs are somehow above the law and will be allowed to move freely up and down the country and then take part in a contact sport? I assume if we did play games behind closed doors we need police and stewards to ensure fans didn't try and gain entry, I'd imagine the former will have better things to do and the latter are safer sat at home with their families.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 21:20:49 GMT
I don’t think this is the way to go, personally. You’ve got to take the players, managers and officials health and well-being into account, a few clubs over here are self isolating over Coronavirus fears and in Italy, there is a growing list of players that have already contracted the virus. Even with no fans present there is still a lot of people they could potentially come into contact with. Their general health is a lot more important than Football. Then there’s also the fact that playing behind closed doors is a bit rubbish. Was watching Dortmund vs PSG the other day and it was like a training game at times, could you imagine a playoff final with no fans allowed to be present? What is football without the fans in attendance anyway? It’s supposed to be a spectator sport. Should footballers be treated differently than other employees? For example not all office based roles can be performed from home and unless there is a complete lockdown where nobody is allowed to leave their homes then people will still be working. If a footballer is not allowed to play (and assuming there is no curfew/lockdown for people of their age) they will still go about their daily business, such as taking the kids to school, shopping etc which will potentially put them at risk of contracting the virus. In addition it seems that those who are fit and healthy can overcome the virus without too much trouble - Arteta and Hudson-Odoi had very little in the way of symptoms and recovered very quickly. I agree that behind closed doors games are awful to watch but given it would be a short term measure in very unusual circumstances we will probably might just have to accept it. Not great but far better than declaring a season void which bizarrely some people are really keen to pursue - especially the likes of Karen Brady who clearly has no ulterior motive for seeking a relegation amnesty while her side is struggling in a relegation battle! I wonder if her views would be different if they were outside of the Champions League places on goal difference and not the bottom three!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 21:28:47 GMT
I don’t know if there is a solution that will make everyone happy but playing behind closed doors isn’t the answer in my opinion. Football is for the fans. I also think scrapping this season would be an injustice to the teams doing well. I also think it would be a disgrace if Bolton got off the hook and started next year in league one. The media have only talked about Liverpool’s bid for the title and relegation to the championship but it’s hardly been mentioned as to what is likely to happen and what is fair in the lower leagues. In my opinion, the season must be finished. Player contracts will be the big sticking point there though. As I just mentioned to axegas these are unusual circumstances and while everyone hates the idea of behind closed doors games this would be a means to an end - surely better to do this than the other option being touted which is to void the season? Football being resumed on a behind closed doors basis will surely come sometime before mass public gatherings. Player contracts will be an issue but it’s far easier to overcome that than it will be to sort out mass legal actions if the season is voided. Short term contract extensions, alterations to transfer windows will options to consider. Even if some players do exercise their rights as free agents before the current season has expired and move elsewhere should not be an issue. In the era before the current transfer window it was quite common for players to transfer mid season but I personally wouldn’t expect that to happen too much as many clubs will want to know which division they are playing in before committing to permanent signings.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2020 21:30:49 GMT
It's pretty clear we're only just starting with CV spreading across the country, assuming we now follow the rest of Europe we'll be in virtual lock down in a fortnight, plus it only takes one football club player/coach to get CV and every other player will be told to self quarantine for 14 days, hence why even in the National League only around half the games were played on Saturday.
Plus is it right to have footballers coming into close contact with each other, I doubt that's happening in most other jobs?
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Post by axegas on Mar 15, 2020 21:33:55 GMT
I don’t think this is the way to go, personally. You’ve got to take the players, managers and officials health and well-being into account, a few clubs over here are self isolating over Coronavirus fears and in Italy, there is a growing list of players that have already contracted the virus. Even with no fans present there is still a lot of people they could potentially come into contact with. Their general health is a lot more important than Football. Then there’s also the fact that playing behind closed doors is a bit rubbish. Was watching Dortmund vs PSG the other day and it was like a training game at times, could you imagine a playoff final with no fans allowed to be present? What is football without the fans in attendance anyway? It’s supposed to be a spectator sport. Should footballers be treated differently than other employees? For example not all office based roles can be performed from home and unless there is a complete lockdown where nobody is allowed to leave their homes then people will still be working. If a footballer is not allowed to play (and assuming there is no curfew/lockdown for people of their age) they will still go about their daily business, such as taking the kids to school, shopping etc which will potentially put them at risk of contracting the virus. In addition it seems that those who are fit and healthy can overcome the virus without too much trouble - Arteta and Hudson-Odoi had very little in the way of symptoms and recovered very quickly. I agree that behind closed doors games are awful to watch but given it would be a short term measure in very unusual circumstances we will probably might just have to accept it. Not great but far better than declaring a season void which bizarrely some people are really keen to pursue - especially the likes of Karen Brady who clearly has no ulterior motive for seeking a relegation amnesty while her side is struggling in a relegation battle! I wonder if her views would be different if they were outside of the Champions League places on goal difference and not the bottom three! It doesn’t matter whether the person who contracts the virus is old or young, healthy or unhealthy. What matters is the virus has spread and the more that it spreads, the more likely the people who are most at risk, will catch it. Footballers have elderly relatives, neighbours, young children just like everybody else to pass the virus onto. Topper makes a good point that soon, the UK might be in lockdown like France, Italy, Austria and Spain and playing behind close doors will be impossible anyway. The most sensible strategy is to put the season on hold for the time being, abide by social distancing measures to prevent the spread of the virus, then play the rest of the season when it is no longer a threat. If that means next seasons scheduling needs to be changed then so be it, football is of little concern right now but people lives are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 21:36:39 GMT
It's pretty clear we're only just starting with CV spreading across the country, assuming we now follow the rest of Europe we'll be in virtual lock down in a fortnight, plus it only takes one football club player/coach to get CV and every other player will be told to self quarantine for 14 days, hence why even in the National League only around half the games were played on Saturday. Plus is it right to have footballers coming into close contact with each other, I doubt that's happening in most other jobs? People coming in to close contact with each other will be happening in every other workplace and also when people are going about their usual daily business.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 21:46:25 GMT
Should footballers be treated differently than other employees? For example not all office based roles can be performed from home and unless there is a complete lockdown where nobody is allowed to leave their homes then people will still be working. If a footballer is not allowed to play (and assuming there is no curfew/lockdown for people of their age) they will still go about their daily business, such as taking the kids to school, shopping etc which will potentially put them at risk of contracting the virus. In addition it seems that those who are fit and healthy can overcome the virus without too much trouble - Arteta and Hudson-Odoi had very little in the way of symptoms and recovered very quickly. I agree that behind closed doors games are awful to watch but given it would be a short term measure in very unusual circumstances we will probably might just have to accept it. Not great but far better than declaring a season void which bizarrely some people are really keen to pursue - especially the likes of Karen Brady who clearly has no ulterior motive for seeking a relegation amnesty while her side is struggling in a relegation battle! I wonder if her views would be different if they were outside of the Champions League places on goal difference and not the bottom three! It doesn’t matter whether the person who contracts the virus is old or young, healthy or unhealthy. What matters is the virus has spread and the more that it spreads, the more likely the people who are most at risk, will catch it. Footballers have elderly relatives, neighbours, young children just like everybody else to pass the virus onto. Topper makes a good point that soon, the UK might be in lockdown like France, Italy, Austria and Spain and playing behind close doors will be impossible anyway. The most sensible strategy is to put the season on hold for the time being, abide by social distancing measures to prevent the spread of the virus, then play the rest of the season when it is no longer a threat. If that means next seasons scheduling needs to be changed then so be it, football is of little concern right now but people lives are. I agree that behind closed doors games won’t be possible during any complete lockdown but it would help get the season completed before and after the lockdown starts. Footballers will be no different to any others employees in other industries in respect of having elderly relatives to visit - they would just have to follow the same hygiene and disease control advice as everyone else has been told to. Is a footballer more likely to contract the virus in the workplace (training ground or stadium) than they will by doing their shopping at Tesco’s for example. I get the mass movement of people part of disease control but I think stopping people taking part in sporting activity where there is no crowd present is not necessary at the moment. Just my opinion of course.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Mar 15, 2020 21:57:38 GMT
Should finish all the matches using EA Sports FIFA? How do the Gas rank these days?
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 15, 2020 22:46:07 GMT
Should finish all the matches using EA Sports FIFA? How do the Gas rank these days? We probably still have Robbie Ryan mark Wright and Gary Kenneth in our squad FFS
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Post by legas on Mar 15, 2020 23:06:33 GMT
Whether closed doors or later in the year, surely some games could be agreed as not worth playing - I.e. involving teams not likely to go up or down (so reducing the fixture burden). For us, that would arguably be the games against Gillingham, Burton, Rochdale and Lincoln, leaving us only 5 games outstanding. Another option would be to dedicate the first quarter of next season (whenever that may start) to finish this season’s fixtures by shortening the length of the next season through some kind of agreed format change (I.e not everyone plays everyone else).
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 15, 2020 23:11:05 GMT
It's pretty clear we're only just starting with CV spreading across the country, assuming we now follow the rest of Europe we'll be in virtual lock down in a fortnight, plus it only takes one football club player/coach to get CV and every other player will be told to self quarantine for 14 days, hence why even in the National League only around half the games were played on Saturday. Plus is it right to have footballers coming into close contact with each other, I doubt that's happening in most other jobs? People coming in to close contact with each other will be happening in every other workplace and also when people are going about their usual daily business. Not sure I've ever been in physical contact with any of my workmates, although it does really matter what we think as football isn't going to start again anywhere in Europe until CV has been controlled.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 23:24:10 GMT
People coming in to close contact with each other will be happening in every other workplace and also when people are going about their usual daily business. Not sure I've ever been in physical contact with any of my workmates, although it does really matter what we think as football isn't going to start again anywhere in Europe until CV has been controlled. Sorry I didn’t realise it could only be spread by actually physically making contact with someone. This 2 metre rule I’ve heard people talk about must be based on people not having arms over over 2 metres in length. I’m not sure what you mean with your second point - are you saying our domestic game should be tied in with when other European countries start playing again? I’m not too bothered about when Champions League or Europa League games resume, given it involves overseas travel there is a far stronger case for those competitions to be made void than there is for cancelling the domestic season.
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 16, 2020 7:01:38 GMT
Potentially could finish the season by playing subbuteo.get the full stadium kit and we would have tidy ground as well.
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Post by brads213 on Mar 16, 2020 8:52:15 GMT
With most teams having only 9 or so fixtures left maybe best way to sort final positions out would be to play them behind closed doors, two fixtures per week plus playoffs could be done and dusted by middle of May ?? Plus Clubs maybe able to get some revenue from TV coverage Sky BT IFOLLOW BBC QUEST ETC. Great idea , but you bet the people with the power won’t look at this
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Post by brads213 on Mar 16, 2020 8:53:51 GMT
I don’t think this is the way to go, personally. You’ve got to take the players, managers and officials health and well-being into account, a few clubs over here are self isolating over Coronavirus fears and in Italy, there is a growing list of players that have already contracted the virus. Even with no fans present there is still a lot of people they could potentially come into contact with. Their general health is a lot more important than Football. Then there’s also the fact that playing behind closed doors is a bit rubbish. Was watching Dortmund vs PSG the other day and it was like a training game at times, could you imagine a playoff final with no fans allowed to be present? What is football without the fans in attendance anyway? It’s supposed to be a spectator sport. Maybe but the majority of the country are still going to work day in day out, so why can’t sports people. And as the OP said there are only a few games left,
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 16, 2020 9:23:48 GMT
Authorities are facing a real dilemma over what to do. Axegas has to be right over the public health needs over-riding all other concerns and those needs come first and only when they have been secured should normality resume. But people are continuing to work and will do so throughout the crisis and whatever happens in football we must finish this season. With decisions being made daily at this moment in time I’m not sure we will know what will happen for a long time. Once the crisis is over decisions will be made, I hope they deal with the short term stuff first, ie this season, then move on to the long term stuff, date of next season, length if it, afterwards. In many ways I can see the advantages, Football-wise, of playing behind closed doors once the peak has passed, but somehow it wouldn’t feel right.
Perhaps this is one of those moments when most people will see that in the overall picture, when measured against people’s health, football comes way down the scale. Unfortunately football, well the PL, is such big business now they believe they are just as important as any other consideration and we will hear some real self-important bs over the next few weeks emanating from the PL. Karen Brady has already started. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 9:36:42 GMT
Authorities are facing a real dilemma over what to do. Axegas has to be right over the public health needs over-riding all other concerns and those needs come first and only when they have been secured should normality resume. But people are continuing to work and will do so throughout the crisis and whatever happens in football we must finish this season. With decisions being made daily at this moment in time I’m not sure we will know what will happen for a long time. Once the crisis is over decisions will be made, I hope they deal with the short term stuff first, ie this season, then move on to the long term stuff, date of next season, length if it, afterwards. In many ways I can see the advantages, Football-wise, of playing behind closed doors once the peak has passed, but somehow it wouldn’t feel right. Perhaps this is one of those moments when most people will see that in the overall picture, when measured against people’s health, football comes way down the scale. Unfortunately football, well the PL, is such big business now they believe they are just as important as any other consideration and we will hear some real self-important bs over the next few weeks emanating from the PL. Karen Brady has already started. UTG! Spot on. Especially on the likes of Brady and the Brighton CEO who seem to be trying to exploit the situation to their own clubs advantage. They should be hit with a disrepute charge.
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