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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 15, 2020 12:36:23 GMT
To be fair that actually looks pretty good for the first day of the close-season. It’s an interesting one as defence/GK looks good - although I’d like a better LB. I don’t think Kelly or Leahy are good enough, personally. Midfield is still my worry though. Who is our standout that will make things happen? Who will bang in 10+ goals a season? We really need a play maker (like Lines in his hayday) IMO. Is Barrett that type of player? Don't really know much of him. I agree with a playmaker/Lines replacement, think we've been missing that style of player for a few seasons now.
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Post by clampdown on Jun 15, 2020 12:41:38 GMT
Get rid of Ollie and replace with someone creative. I can't face another season of Ogogo, Upson and OC in midfield.
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Post by axegas on Jun 15, 2020 12:44:06 GMT
I think we’ve got a solid basis of a squad going into next year but it will require some additions.
Our best defence is Jaakkola, Hare, Davies, Kilgour, Leahy. Which is decent could maybe look to improve the left back department.
Midfield I think is our shakiest area. Clarke, Upson and Ogogo are all experienced pros but don’t offer what Sercombe or Lines do going forward. Only got one winger in the squad too. Definitely an area to look at recruitment in.
Up front, obviously we’ve got a 15-20 goal a season striker in JCH if we keep him which is a massive advantage. Don’t know a lot about Daly but he looks promising. Biggest thing we’re lacking here is depth with only 2 strikers, so hopefully Garner is looking to get a couple through the door.
1 left back 2 wingers 2 Midfielders 2 Strikers
Would be what I’d look to bring in over the summer. Expecting a mixture of free signings and loans but can’t complain with the current conditions.
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Post by Russgas on Jun 15, 2020 12:47:57 GMT
Get rid of Ollie and replace with someone creative. I can't face another season of Ogogo, Upson and OC in midfield. Exactly right we know this dont work and it was painful at times watching it,we are crying out for a decent ball carrying creative player. Left back is weak as well imo and will get exposed.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 12:49:36 GMT
We lacked pace in defence other than Rollin last season, we lacked it in midfield and someone who could drive forward with the ball and pass it. Outwide and in attack we weren't the quickest or strongest and often bullied off the ball. Hopefully we can add some strength and pace to the team as counter attacking at pace is very effective especially away from home.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 15, 2020 12:51:39 GMT
Why do we need 3 left backs? Unless Leahy leaves I can't see why would so many LB's particularly when club's are apparently looking to cut their playing budgets this summer. Hopefully BG concentrates on signing attacking players as that's where we've struggled for the past 2 or 3 season's.
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Post by chewbacca on Jun 15, 2020 13:01:59 GMT
The average age of the 7 first team players signed by Garner - 21 years old.
The average age of the 6 first team players released by Garner - 27 years old.
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The average age of the 5 players offered or who have signed new deals - 23 years old.
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Post by Gassy on Jun 15, 2020 13:16:43 GMT
It’s an interesting one as defence/GK looks good - although I’d like a better LB. I don’t think Kelly or Leahy are good enough, personally. Midfield is still my worry though. Who is our standout that will make things happen? Who will bang in 10+ goals a season? We really need a play maker (like Lines in his hayday) IMO. Is Barrett that type of player? Don't really know much of him. I agree with a playmaker/Lines replacement, think we've been missing that style of player for a few seasons now. Could be. In his first game against bottom of the EFL, Stevenage, he looked like it. But since than he's looked a lowly L2 player if I'm honest. I think as many have said before, he needs to get in shape. If he can we could have a great player on our hands, but my natural instinct is that he won't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 13:21:16 GMT
I think we’ve got a solid basis of a squad going into next year but it will require some additions. Our best defence is Jaakkola, Hare, Davies, Kilgour, Leahy. Which is decent could maybe look to improve the left back department. Midfield I think is our shakiest area. Clarke, Upson and Ogogo are all experienced pros but don’t offer what Sercombe or Lines do going forward. Only got one winger in the squad too. Definitely an area to look at recruitment in. Up front, obviously we’ve got a 15-20 goal a season striker in JCH if we keep him which is a massive advantage. Don’t know a lot about Daly but he looks promising. Biggest thing we’re lacking here is depth with only 2 strikers, so hopefully Garner is looking to get a couple through the door. 1 left back 2 wingers 2 Midfielders 2 Strikers Would be what I’d look to bring in over the summer. Expecting a mixture of free signings and loans but can’t complain with the current conditions. I wonder if any of those under contract (in deals prior to BG’s arrival) will have been told they are unlikely to play and may be better off looking for another club? I guess such discussions would be behind closed doors and not in any press release like the Retained List.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 15, 2020 14:13:24 GMT
I think we’ve got a solid basis of a squad going into next year but it will require some additions. Our best defence is Jaakkola, Hare, Davies, Kilgour, Leahy. Which is decent could maybe look to improve the left back department. Midfield I think is our shakiest area. Clarke, Upson and Ogogo are all experienced pros but don’t offer what Sercombe or Lines do going forward. Only got one winger in the squad too. Definitely an area to look at recruitment in. Up front, obviously we’ve got a 15-20 goal a season striker in JCH if we keep him which is a massive advantage. Don’t know a lot about Daly but he looks promising. Biggest thing we’re lacking here is depth with only 2 strikers, so hopefully Garner is looking to get a couple through the door. 1 left back 2 wingers 2 Midfielders 2 Strikers Would be what I’d look to bring in over the summer. Expecting a mixture of free signings and loans but can’t complain with the current conditions. I wonder if any of those under contract (in deals prior to BG’s arrival) will have been told they are unlikely to play and may be better off looking for another club? I guess such discussions would be behind closed doors and not in any press release like the Retained List. I'd imagine most players will just be happy to sit this season out and pocket the £'s, next summer might be a while new ball game if by then CV19 has been defeated.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jun 15, 2020 14:36:25 GMT
Looks a very promising squad with a youthful average age, prediction, Tomlinson to come through and give midfield creativity it lacks(if he signs!!)
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Post by BrightonGas on Jun 15, 2020 15:00:23 GMT
Is Barrett that type of player? Don't really know much of him. I agree with a playmaker/Lines replacement, think we've been missing that style of player for a few seasons now. Could be. In his first game against bottom of the EFL, Stevenage, he looked like it. But since than he's looked a lowly L2 player if I'm honest. I think as many have said before, he needs to get in shape. If he can we could have a great player on our hands, but my natural instinct is that he won't. It will be interesting to see how he's used lockdown, hes already been told he needs to get in shape, so if hes been on the pies we've got a problem.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 15, 2020 15:13:23 GMT
The average age of the 7 first team players signed by Garner - 21 years old. The average age of the 6 first team players released by Garner - 27 years old. Edit: The average age of the 5 players offered or who have signed new deals - 23 years old. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 15, 2020 15:15:04 GMT
We certainly need some creativity in midfield and as Stuart has said it’s what we’ve been missing for a few years. And not one of our 3 managers in that time has successfully addressed that even when most of the crowd can probably see it. But I feel that OC gets a lot of blame for us not having that creativeness when it’s obviously not his fault. He is what he is a valuable midfielder who will be unlikely to fill the creative midfield role that a top team in League 1 will need. He’s almost a jack-of-all-trades in our midfield without being the best at anything (although he seems to score more goals than most of our midfield, something else we lack). That he has played in teams in three different divisions and scored goals in all of them shows what an important squad member he is. The guy’s been an important part of two of our six promotions and imo that should get him some respect. I wonder if being a Bristol lad makes him an easier target for some as well as getting more loyalty from others. Me, I like him but I recognise there are games when he does disappear but over the past two years so have a lot of our other players at times. UTG!
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Post by yattongas on Jun 15, 2020 15:20:57 GMT
We certainly need some creativity in midfield and as Stuart has said it’s what we’ve been missing for a few years. And not one of our 3 managers in that time has successfully addressed that even when most of the crowd can probably see it. But I feel that OC gets a lot of blame for us not having that creativeness when it’s obviously not his fault. He is what he is a valuable midfielder who will be unlikely to fill the creative midfield role that a top team in League 1 will need. He’s almost a jack-of-all-trades in our midfield without being the best at anything (although he seems to score more goals than most of our midfield, something else we lack). That he has played in teams in three different divisions and scored goals in all of them shows what an important squad member he is. The guy’s been an important part of two of our six promotions and imo that should get him some respect. I wonder if being a Bristol lad makes him an easier target for some as well as getting more loyalty from others. Me, I like him but I recognise there are games when he does disappear but over the past two years so have a lot of our other players at times. UTG! Ollie is exactly the sort of player you need playing alongside a creative midfielder. Fill the holes left and to break down the play and give the easy ball to the playmaker to play.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 15, 2020 15:27:10 GMT
The average age of the 7 first team players signed by Garner - 21 years old. The average age of the 6 first team players released by Garner - 27 years old. Edit: The average age of the 5 players offered or who have signed new deals - 23 years old. This is what I was getting at. Many have said that they feel the squad isn’t a million miles off but some were hammering the current squad for not performing under our manager. I appreciate some will be under contract still, and won’t feature in the released section of the retained list, but surely if the players didn’t suit our managers alleged revolutionary style then we need wholesale change and not bit piece changes here or there. Don’t think we’ll get that from kids alone either. Don’t get me wrong I want to see young, up and coming, promising kids coming through. But I don’t think we should be chucking them in at the deep end. They need decent experienced support to back them up. And I’m a little concerned we’re going after academy cast offs and not looking at those punching above their weight at a lower level. Either way, I’ve made it quite clear how confident I am in the man.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 15, 2020 15:31:37 GMT
We certainly need some creativity in midfield and as Stuart has said it’s what we’ve been missing for a few years. And not one of our 3 managers in that time has successfully addressed that even when most of the crowd can probably see it. But I feel that OC gets a lot of blame for us not having that creativeness when it’s obviously not his fault. He is what he is a valuable midfielder who will be unlikely to fill the creative midfield role that a top team in League 1 will need. He’s almost a jack-of-all-trades in our midfield without being the best at anything (although he seems to score more goals than most of our midfield, something else we lack). That he has played in teams in three different divisions and scored goals in all of them shows what an important squad member he is. The guy’s been an important part of two of our six promotions and imo that should get him some respect. I wonder if being a Bristol lad makes him an easier target for some as well as getting more loyalty from others. Me, I like him but I recognise there are games when he does disappear but over the past two years so have a lot of our other players at times. UTG! Ollie is exactly the sort of player you need playing alongside a creative midfielder. Fill the holes left and to break down the play and give the easy ball to the playmaker to play. Yes, you’re correct. My point was OC seems to always be criticised for not being something he never was, but he’s usually managed to chip in with valuable goals when needed. Put him alongside that creative midfielder and the side would have a better balance in the middle. UTG!
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Post by LJG on Jun 15, 2020 15:33:03 GMT
I can't believe they've released our most naturally gifted player.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 15, 2020 15:34:23 GMT
Ollie is exactly the sort of player you need playing alongside a creative midfielder. Fill the holes left and to break down the play and give the easy ball to the playmaker to play. Yes, you’re correct. My point was OC seems to always be criticised for not being something he never was, but he’s usually managed to chip in with valuable goals when needed. Put him alongside that creative midfielder and the side would have a better balance in the middle. UTG! Yes , I’m agreeing with you 😃👍
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 15:35:37 GMT
We certainly need some creativity in midfield and as Stuart has said it’s what we’ve been missing for a few years. And not one of our 3 managers in that time has successfully addressed that even when most of the crowd can probably see it. But I feel that OC gets a lot of blame for us not having that creativeness when it’s obviously not his fault. He is what he is a valuable midfielder who will be unlikely to fill the creative midfield role that a top team in League 1 will need. He’s almost a jack-of-all-trades in our midfield without being the best at anything (although he seems to score more goals than most of our midfield, something else we lack). That he has played in teams in three different divisions and scored goals in all of them shows what an important squad member he is. The guy’s been an important part of two of our six promotions and imo that should get him some respect. I wonder if being a Bristol lad makes him an easier target for some as well as getting more loyalty from others. Me, I like him but I recognise there are games when he does disappear but over the past two years so have a lot of our other players at times. UTG! Ollie is exactly the sort of player you need playing alongside a creative midfielder. Fill the holes left and to break down the play and give the easy ball to the playmaker to play. Someone will need to tell him to pass it to our playmaker and not the opposition playmaker !
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