George Floyd - America so f**ked up

The commission have had to release a statement to deny criticism of their report lol.

It actually adds to how awful the original report is.

www.gov.uk/government/news/the-commission-on-race-and-ethnic-disparities-statement?s=09

I wasn't going on a rant, Oldie.

Just pointing out perfectly good examples. Of course the typical response of 'Whataboutery', comes out. I prefer to call it hypocrisy. Which it plainly is, it's perfectly fine for a publication who pays him to write articles, or care consultants who post figures for likes that just bunch everybody together for a narrative. Again funny that.

The bma.org source the Care Consultant posted again doesn't go into any detail into demographics. It just states BAME' and 'White British', do White Irish, White Polish', White Romanian, White Bulgarian, White Albanian etc not count? It's just reactionary nonsense.

This quote from David Olusuga also stands out "Arguably it has achieved exactly what the government wanted, adding credence to the false binary that underpins their culture war agenda" Again it just highlights the sheer hypocrisy, just because the report goes against your opinions it must be a 'Culture War Agenda'. I am sure if the report was conducted by people with the very same views as David Olusuga he wouldn't mind? Of course that will be 'Whataboutery' as well.

Once again the report just states that institutional racism is not the major factor.

There are a lot of different factors, which have very little to do with race.

What have I conveniently ignored?

You didn't ask me a direct question regarding it. If you would of, I would of replied directly to you, which history suggests I always do.

Did the NHS find evidence of 'Institutional racism'? Or was it actually singular incidents across multiple hospitals throughout the country?

Single incidents of racism does not equate to 'Institutional racism'.

A lot of headlines over the last 12 months have been that Doctors, Nurses and other NHS staff from certain ethnic minorities are 3 times more likeky to die from Covid.

Yes, unfortunately it seems the case that specific demographics are disproportionately likely to die from Covid, again there will be a variety of reasons for that. It could have something to do with underlying health conditions in those communities; or type of jobs members of that community disproportionately perform(i.e Drs and Nurses and other NHS staff) or with their household arrangements and social habits.

The same applies to the evidence/statistics of the demographics we've already gone through, i.e Carribean backgrounds as a 'group' perform less well in regards to education, as a group they're also the highest when it comes to % of living in Single parent households which is over 60%.

Compared to Chinese at 20% and Indian less than 10%, who not coincidently are also higher in median income tables, further education tables etc, etc.

Also lower than other Black demographics, i.e African.

Which again goes back to culture and background. Which suggests it has very little to do with race.

If you only have one agenda, and that agenda is always “institutional racism” and say it enough then people will bang that drum, and at the same time refuse to acknowledge the evidence staring them in the face and just see what they want to see. If you have already decided on the explanation for the problem, any attempt at sensible analysis is impossible. Which we've seen over the last 24 hours.

I couldn't care less about David Camerons lobbying, or the other guff regarding vigils and the Kill The Bill protests etc, hence why I rarely comment on them.

This issue, is something I'm interested in, hence why I tend to delve deeper into facts and evidence, rather than false narratives.

I haven't blamed anybody. Again, i'm just going by evidence rather than sentiment.

If you want to bring statistics to the table, you have to be prepared to break them down, delve deeper and actually do research.

As I've already said, yes unfortunately certain demographics are disproportionately likely to die from Covid and there are a variety of reasons for that. It could have something to do with underlying health conditions in those communities; or type of jobs members of that community disproportionately perform(i.e Drs and Nurses and other NHS staff) or with their household arrangements and social habits. I've made that perfectly clear, but again we need to break it down and look at the demographics specifically, rather than just chucking everybody into the 'BAME' box.

In regards to the pay, I'm not disputing that there may be Disparities but again we need to break it down and look at the demographics properly.

In regards to the deaths during Child birth, Black Women genetically do have more complications surrounding pregnancy than others, Black Women have a higher risk of developing preclampsia which is a condition which causes high blood pressure which can cause damage to other organs. That's just a fact, it's nothing to do with racism, it's just a genetic fact. Also more White Women die in Child Birth than Women from 'Chinese' and other 'Oriental' backgrounds. Which again suggests it's to do with genetics rather than race.

I really don't know what you mean in the next sentence I think you're just lumping all Blacks together,which seems to be commonplace and ignoring the different cultures and lifestyles within the different demographics.

I believe institutional racism to be a myth, in regards to it being a major factor. Yes.

Seriously, I don't mean to be rude or patronising but you constantly contradict yourself.

I think you just like to argue for the sake of it, so debating with you becomes pointless.

You previously stated in reply to me, after you completely misunderstood what I wrote "I think culture definitely plays a part, as does where you’re from"

Now you're saying it doesnt and accusing me of blaming others and making 'Blanket statements'. Make your mind up.

I'm using facts and statistics not only from my own experience coming from Caribbean family background, living withing large Caribbean communities and going to school with large numbers of caribbean pupils, but also figures that are readily available from a number of sources. In conversation with Oldie I've mentioned disparities depending on Geography regardless of race, I also put a graph up of the %'s of Single parent households of different demographics, which is also a contributing factor along with culture, geography, social economics etc which I mentioned too.

That photo you've added proves exactly what I've said. More White Women die in Child birth than people of Chinese origin.

Edit: You probably won't want to listen to it, but here is Thomas Sowell talking about 'Economic Equality' with straight up facts and evidence.

That's why we need to delve deeper.

Afro-carribbean kids have far lower figures in regards education and income than other Black backgrounds.

The same applies to 'White Irish', what about other 'White' backgrounds, i.e Polish, Albanian and others where there are sizeable populations in the UK.

The same applies to people from Chinese, Indian and Pakistani backgrounds.

Also not just their international geographical backgrounds, but also domestic geography plays a part. Disparities appear depending on what part of the country you are, as I said previously if you live in Bristol or Brighton, chances are better Education, more employment and higher incomes will be available to you compared to if you live in Burnley or Barnsley.

That's been my whole point all along, that there are disparities of course, but evidence suggests that they actually have very little to do with race.