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Post by Gastafari on Apr 11, 2021 21:41:00 GMT
I do yeah. Both at the complete opposite ends of the spectrum of course. Right and Left. But they're no different. 😂👏 Of course, because your whole rhetoric is based on everything from The Guardian, you don't like it. It's no different to The Daily Mail. Both full of absolute garbage from both sides. |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 11, 2021 21:41:14 GMT
I do yeah. Both at the complete opposite ends of the spectrum of course. Right and Left. But they're no different. 😂👏 Honestly I’ve never once seen someone compare the Daily Mail to the Guardian. What next, the economist and the sun are the same too? Talk about a biased opinion 😂 |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 11, 2021 21:43:37 GMT
Honestly I’ve never once seen someone compare the Daily Mail to the Guardian. What next, the economist and the sun are the same too? Talk about a biased opinion 😂 It’s fun here isn’t it ? 😂 *sh**....... I must stop talking to myself |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 11, 2021 21:47:48 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56707979Unreal A black US army lieutenant has filed a lawsuit against two policemen who pointed their guns and pepper-sprayed him during a traffic stop. Army Second Lieutenant Caron Nazario is wearing his uniform during the bodycam footage, taken in December in Virginia. "I'm honestly afraid to get out," he tells the two police officers. "Yeah you should be," an officer says. Yeah, that doesn't look great. However it's interesting how they mention Caron Nazario's race in the article, but fail to mention that one of the officers Joe Gutierrez is also Latino. It says "The lawsuit comes at a time of increased scrutiny over alleged police brutality towards minorities and racial justice", but fails to mention that Gutierrez is a 'Minority' himself. So again, I think it's important to look at the facts. Yes, it looks like its another over zealous Cop, but is it anything to with the 'Victim' being a 'Minority'? |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 11, 2021 21:50:47 GMT
Honestly I’ve never once seen someone compare the Daily Mail to the Guardian. What next, the economist and the sun are the same too? Talk about a biased opinion 😂 That's maybe because you only read The Guardian? How is it biased? It's balanced, im saying that the Right Wing Daily Mail is mostly full of garbage, but so is the Left Wing Guardian. Talk about having a hissy fit, over a balanced critique. |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 11, 2021 21:52:20 GMT
Ah yes of course, Latinos can’t be racist against black people - only whites can.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 11, 2021 21:53:58 GMT
Honestly I’ve never once seen someone compare the Daily Mail to the Guardian. What next, the economist and the sun are the same too? Talk about a biased opinion 😂 That's maybe because you only read The Guardian? How is it biased? It's balanced, im saying that the Right Wing Daily Mail is mostly full of garbage, but so is the Left Wing Guardian. Talk about having a hissy fit, over a balanced critique. Perhaps the difference is that although Guardian readers sometimes only read the guardian, they could probably read the diary mail, if they tried? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 11, 2021 21:54:45 GMT
Ah yes of course, Latinos can’t be racist against black people - only whites can. The Milgram experiment springs to mind no? |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 11, 2021 21:56:28 GMT
Ah yes of course, Latinos can’t be racist against black people - only whites can. Whose said that? Honestly. |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 11, 2021 21:56:53 GMT
Honestly I’ve never once seen someone compare the Daily Mail to the Guardian. What next, the economist and the sun are the same too? Talk about a biased opinion 😂 That's maybe because you only read The Guardian? How is it biased? It's balanced, im saying that the Right Wing Daily Mail is mostly full of garbage, but so is the Left Wing Guardian. Talk about having a hissy fit, over a balanced critique. Not a hissy fit at all, I guess you’re misreading posts again. Nope I don’t only read the guardian, you really shouldn’t jump to conclusions so much. As usual you’ve looked at everything in its simplest form: one is left, one is right - therefore I’m balanced. One is a tabloid that and the other is the most awarded newspaper in the UK. But sure, tell me more about how in your right wing view that they’re the same.. |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 11, 2021 21:57:25 GMT
Ah yes of course, Latinos can’t be racist against black people - only whites can. Whose said that? Honestly. You’re suggesting it. |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 11, 2021 22:03:15 GMT
Whose said that? Honestly. You’re suggesting it. Now whose jumping to conclusions? I haven't suggested it in the slightest. Just pointing it out that the article is pointing out one persons ethnicity but not the other? Which creates misleading headlines. I haven't said that other ethnicities cannot be racist to others at all. All I asked was did it have anything to with the 'Victim' being a 'Minority'? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 11, 2021 22:07:39 GMT
Now whose jumping to conclusions? I haven't suggested it in the slightest. Just pointing it out that the article is pointing out one persons ethnicity but not the other? Which creates misleading headlines. I haven't said that other ethnicities cannot be racist to others at all. All I asked was did it have anything to with the 'Victim' being a 'Minority'? You said it was important to look atthe facts - that they were both minorities. So what did you mean by that exactly as you feel it pertanent to the story that they are both minorities? I think that's exactly what you meant and you are now trying to claim otherwise. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 11, 2021 22:16:09 GMT
On the newspaper comparison side, I would usually group them as: Guardian v Telegraph Independent v Times Mirror v Sun The Mail and Express are out in their own. I would differentiate between the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday. The Metro seems left of centre, the Star is more of a comic but their recent front pages have been hilarious. This is an interesting article, some think the Guardian is right wing and Mail left!! yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/03/07/how-left-or-right-wing-are-uks-newspapers |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 11, 2021 22:19:52 GMT
Now whose jumping to conclusions? I haven't suggested it in the slightest. Just pointing it out that the article is pointing out one persons ethnicity but not the other? Which creates misleading headlines. I haven't said that other ethnicities cannot be racist to others at all. All I asked was did it have anything to with the 'Victim' being a 'Minority'? You said it was important to look atthe facts - that they were both minorities. So what did you mean by that exactly as you feel it pertanent to the story that they are both minorities? I think that's exactly what you meant and you are now trying to claim otherwise. Well I think it is important to look at the facts, that they are both minorities. Considering the article goes onto mention the scrutiny over alleged police brutality towards minorities and racial justice. Gutierrez may well be a racist Cop, on the other hand he may not be. I was just putting it out there as to whether it has anything to do with race? Or just an over zealous Cop? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Apr 11, 2021 22:23:29 GMT
You said it was important to look atthe facts - that they were both minorities. So what did you mean by that exactly as you feel it pertanent to the story that they are both minorities? I think that's exactly what you meant and you are now trying to claim otherwise. Well I think it is important to look at the facts, that they are both minorities. Considering the article goes onto mention the scrutiny over alleged police brutality towards minorities and racial justice. Gutierrez may well be a racist Cop, on the other hand he may not be. I was just putting it out there as to whether it has anything to do with race? Or just an over zealous Cop? You suspect its less likely to be due to race because the offender was also from a minority group? Don't let me put words in your mouth but thats what I'm understanding from what you have written. Doubting a racial motive due to minority status of alleged offender? That right? Where does that fit in with your previous assertions about minority on minority violence? |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 11, 2021 22:26:43 GMT
On the newspaper comparison side, I would usually group them as: Guardian v Telegraph Independent v Times Mirror v Sun The Mail and Express are out in their own. I would differentiate between the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday. The Metro seems left of centre, the Star is more of a comic but their recent front pages have been hilarious. This is an interesting article, some think the Guardian is right wing and Mail left!! yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/03/07/how-left-or-right-wing-are-uks-newspapersSo The Daily Mail is Britains most Right Wing Paper and The Guardian is Britains most Left Wing paper. Pretty much what I was saying isn't it? We can all debate on how Left or Right they are, imo they're as bad as eachother. The fact that Owen Jones himself is one of The Guardians chief 'Journalists', is enough for me. |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 11, 2021 22:38:06 GMT
Well I think it is important to look at the facts, that they are both minorities. Considering the article goes onto mention the scrutiny over alleged police brutality towards minorities and racial justice. Gutierrez may well be a racist Cop, on the other hand he may not be. I was just putting it out there as to whether it has anything to do with race? Or just an over zealous Cop? You suspect its less likely to be due to race because the offender was also from a minority group? Don't let me put words in your mouth but thats what I'm understanding from what you have written. Doubting a racial motive due to minority status of alleged offender? That right? Where does that fit in with your previous assertions about minority on minority violence? I don't suspect anything. It could be either? Couldn't it? Again, just being balanced, of course the article mainly alludes to it being of a racial nature by mentioning the ethicity of the victim. It could well be because he was Black. On the other hand it could just be a heavy handed, over zealous Cop. I just found it interesting how ethnicity was brought up about the victim, but not the offender. That's all. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 11, 2021 22:41:06 GMT
On the newspaper comparison side, I would usually group them as: Guardian v Telegraph Independent v Times Mirror v Sun The Mail and Express are out in their own. I would differentiate between the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday. The Metro seems left of centre, the Star is more of a comic but their recent front pages have been hilarious. This is an interesting article, some think the Guardian is right wing and Mail left!! yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/03/07/how-left-or-right-wing-are-uks-newspapersSo The Daily Mail is Britains most Right Wing Paper and The Guardian is Britains most Left Wing paper. Pretty much what I was saying isn't it? We can all debate on how Left or Right they are, imo they're as bad as eachother. The fact that Owen Jones himself is one of The Guardians chief 'Journalists', is enough for me. No fan of Owen Jones or the Guardian and I really disliked the Mail during Paul Dacre period, not read it recently but I believe his replacement is more liberal. Can't say I'm a fan of the Independent or Telegraph either. None of them appeal to me, the nearest is probably the Sunday Times but I don't buy papers anymore. |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 11, 2021 23:01:06 GMT
Well I think it is important to look at the facts, that they are both minorities. Considering the article goes onto mention the scrutiny over alleged police brutality towards minorities and racial justice. Gutierrez may well be a racist Cop, on the other hand he may not be. I was just putting it out there as to whether it has anything to do with race? Or just an over zealous Cop? You suspect its less likely to be due to race because the offender was also from a minority group? Don't let me put words in your mouth but thats what I'm understanding from what you have written. Doubting a racial motive due to minority status of alleged offender? That right? Where does that fit in with your previous assertions about minority on minority violence? Also just for clarity. It goes onto mention Derek Chauvin, the Police Officer involved in the George Floyd incident, in the article. "Ex-police officer Derek Chauvin is currently on trial for the murder of George Floyd. The footage of Mr Chauvin, who is white, with his knee on African-American Mr Floyd's neck during an arrest sparked global protests against racism" So, it states that Derek Chauvin is White,and had his knee on 'African-American Mr Floyd's" neck. So even going back to that incident 1 year ago, they mention the offenders race and the victims race. Again just found it interesting as to why it didn't mention Gutierrez's race? |
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