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Post by matealotblue on Jun 18, 2020 7:41:00 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Jun 18, 2020 7:51:13 GMT
It's getting there, but until it's proportionate then it's not good enough tbh. Pleased with Labour & Libs for being the first party ever to have more female candidates than male. Huge milestone tbf. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 8:10:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 8:27:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 8:59:43 GMT
Yeah it seems tit for tat. The 'new' statue was childish, desecrating a grave is another thing entirely. Was no doubt done by the type of fascist who has his own name spelt incorrectly on Facebook, a product of the system. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 9:23:22 GMT
I can see why Oldie`s disinclined to debate that one with you. Two out of the great offices of state are currently held by BAME. I can`t believe he`d make such a claim in the first place. Actually.... I can. Normally I would let this sort of horseshit pass but just for the record. You cannot debate anything with this new member (Bamber gasgroin on the other forum) as he continuously reduces any debate to personal attacks. It's a pointless exercise. It became so bad on the other forum that members actually left and others exchanged PMs in complaint. Just for the record. Let's leave it there. Let's set the record straight. It was you that was forced to apologise for using profanities and personal insults when you got frustrated because I provided research by world renowned experts that you couldn't counter. I remained civil throughout. I also received multiple PMs, phone calls and text messages that were less than complimentary about you, why are you attempting to be invidious? I'm not asking you to debate me, let's just exchange facts and research, but let's not bother with soundbites from Fox, CNN or Guardian columnists, let's use credible sources. As has been suggested above, Bristol and London's Mayors appear to hole your argument beneath the waterline. So how to you square their success with your statement that skin colour is a direct barrier to progress in British politics please? |
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Post by matealotblue on Jun 18, 2020 10:21:37 GMT
May I recommend that anyone who wants to get a reasoned view of this subject should maybe listen to Mercy Muroki. Not going to post any links as there is quite a bit out there from her. All eminently sensible. She speaks so much sense on this subject that her voice may well be lost in the febrile debate going in the country at the moment.
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Post by William Wilson on Jun 18, 2020 10:45:25 GMT
Normally I would let this sort of horseshit pass but just for the record. You cannot debate anything with this new member (Bamber gasgroin on the other forum) as he continuously reduces any debate to personal attacks. It's a pointless exercise. It became so bad on the other forum that members actually left and others exchanged PMs in complaint. Just for the record. Let's leave it there. Let's set the record straight. It was you that was forced to apologise for using profanities and personal insults when you got frustrated because I provided research by world renowned experts that you couldn't counter. I remained civil throughout. I also received multiple PMs, phone calls and text messages that were less than complimentary about you, why are you attempting to be invidious? I'm not asking you to debate me, let's just exchange facts and research, but let's not bother with soundbites from Fox, CNN or Guardian columnists, let's use credible sources. As has been suggested above, Bristol and London's Mayors appear to hole your argument beneath the waterline. So how to you square their success with your statement that skin colour is a direct barrier to progress in British politics please? Bristol`s mayor, London`s mayor, Home Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchecker, and, as has been posted above, a record number of BAME mps. I`m not saying that the job`s done, and that more doesn`t need to be done, but the facts don`t seem to bear out any assertion that skin colour is a direct barrier to advancement in British politics. If you truly believe it, Oldie, take up Jung`s challenge to prove it. I don`t know what went on, on the other forum, but just stick to the facts and figures on this forum, and if either of you resort to personal attacks, we can all see for ourselves who was in the wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 10:48:25 GMT
I can see why Oldie`s disinclined to debate that one with you. Two out of the great offices of state are currently held by BAME. I can`t believe he`d make such a claim in the first place. Actually.... I can. Normally I would let this sort of horseshit pass but just for the record. You cannot debate anything with this new member (Bamber gasgroin on the other forum) as he continuously reduces any debate to personal attacks. It's a pointless exercise. It became so bad on the other forum that members actually left and others exchanged PMs in complaint. Just for the record. Let's leave it there. He should it in well on these pages then! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 10:49:09 GMT
So you actually followed Oldie across forums because he refused to debate with you? I’m sure stalking doesn’t happen on this forum does it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 10:50:39 GMT
Yet he was elected again in 1951. So the majority got it wrong, and the champagne socialist, talking 70 years after the event, has it right again I suppose. Who is the champagne socialist? Perhaps that was during those rip roaring years in the city? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 10:53:19 GMT
Let's set the record straight. It was you that was forced to apologise for using profanities and personal insults when you got frustrated because I provided research by world renowned experts that you couldn't counter. I remained civil throughout. I also received multiple PMs, phone calls and text messages that were less than complimentary about you, why are you attempting to be invidious? I'm not asking you to debate me, let's just exchange facts and research, but let's not bother with soundbites from Fox, CNN or Guardian columnists, let's use credible sources. As has been suggested above, Bristol and London's Mayors appear to hole your argument beneath the waterline. So how to you square their success with your statement that skin colour is a direct barrier to progress in British politics please? Bristol`s mayor, London`s mayor, Home Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchecker, and, as has been posted above, a record number of BAME mps. I`m not saying that the job`s done, and that more doesn`t need to be done, but the facts don`t seem to bear out any assertion that skin colour is a direct barrier to advancement in British politics. If you truly believe it, Oldie, take up Jung`s challenge to prove it. I don`t know what went on, on the other forum, but just stick to the facts and figures on this forum, and if either of you resort to personal attacks, we can all see for ourselves who was in the wrong. Reasonable challenge William, but from a personal standpoint I am done with this guy, so no participation from me. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 10:54:19 GMT
Who is the champagne socialist? Perhaps that was during those rip roaring years in the city? Nothing more to add? |
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Post by Gassy on Jun 18, 2020 10:59:12 GMT
So you actually followed Oldie across forums because he refused to debate with you? I’m sure stalking doesn’t happen on this forum does it? No it happens from members who delete their accounts to hide and promise to find out who you are. Try harder. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 11:03:24 GMT
Let's set the record straight. It was you that was forced to apologise for using profanities and personal insults when you got frustrated because I provided research by world renowned experts that you couldn't counter. I remained civil throughout. I also received multiple PMs, phone calls and text messages that were less than complimentary about you, why are you attempting to be invidious? I'm not asking you to debate me, let's just exchange facts and research, but let's not bother with soundbites from Fox, CNN or Guardian columnists, let's use credible sources. As has been suggested above, Bristol and London's Mayors appear to hole your argument beneath the waterline. So how to you square their success with your statement that skin colour is a direct barrier to progress in British politics please? Bristol`s mayor, London`s mayor, Home Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchequer, and, as has been posted above, a record number of BAME mps. I`m not saying that the job`s done, and that more doesn`t need to be done, but the facts don`t seem to bear out any assertion that skin colour is a direct barrier to advancement in British politics. If you truly believe it, Oldie, take up Jung`s challenge to prove it. I don`t know what went on, on the other forum, but just stick to the facts and figures on this forum, and if either of you resort to personal attacks, we can all see for ourselves who was in the wrong. The challenge for Oldie, as he made the claim, is to demonstrate that there is not equality of opportunity. Not of outcome, of opportunity. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 15:47:27 GMT
Bristol`s mayor, London`s mayor, Home Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchecker, and, as has been posted above, a record number of BAME mps. I`m not saying that the job`s done, and that more doesn`t need to be done, but the facts don`t seem to bear out any assertion that skin colour is a direct barrier to advancement in British politics. If you truly believe it, Oldie, take up Jung`s challenge to prove it. I don`t know what went on, on the other forum, but just stick to the facts and figures on this forum, and if either of you resort to personal attacks, we can all see for ourselves who was in the wrong. Reasonable challenge William, but from a personal standpoint I am done with this guy, so no participation from me. Well, would you believe it, been a member of this forum for around 12 hours and have already received a PM congratulating me for standing up to you, saying that you are a blowhard and that you and your cohorts have forced people off of this forum with relentless attacks when they dare offer a different point of view. So, your attempt at character assassination and discrediting me has backfired a bit hasn't it. Looks like people on here are quite fed up with you ranting on. Let's park your games on one side and discuss some issues. Are you disputing equality of opportunity in UK politics based on skin colour, if so, please provide your evidence. |
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Post by Marshy on Jun 18, 2020 16:09:09 GMT
And before you ask Oldie, the PM wasn’t from me although I wish it was.
The post above highlights all the reasons why I have never posted on this thread up to now.
I’ve had enough insults & belittlement from you and Gassy on the Coronavirus thread and that’s why I don’t post on there either!
You’ve been called out Oldie and about time. 👍
Don’t bother trying to suck me back into another boring row with you either because it ain’t happening.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 16:16:54 GMT
😂😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 16:29:19 GMT
Well Oldie, yet another to the list of people fed up with you.
I have literally no idea who any of these people are.
And a point for you to consider, I didn't come here to Troll you, I was asked by a friend to join this forum and see if you had it in you to accept the challenge of discussing the things you've been ranting relentlessly about, but in a fact based way, with credible supporting evidence.
So, shall we dance?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 16:37:46 GMT
Oldie rattling a few cages, good man.
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