George Floyd - America so f**ked up

365 - Can you link me where the twitter account said they wanted to end capitalism? I just had a look through their twitter and I didn't find it. All I can see if I google it is a Daily Mail & Torygraph article on it.

I find it interesting that since the papers reported on it, the aims of BLM seems to be known - but before that, you had no idea? Screams to me that until this article came out, no one knew or bothered to look. Am I wrong?

Having looked through the twitter account I saw 2 mentions of state brutality in 2 weeks. The rest of it was about ending racism in the UK and expressing discontent about racist things happening across the country, so I don't think it's quite as bad as you're making out.

My general opinion of the police is exceptionally high in the UK. My first thoughts of police brutality against anyone, never mind BAME would naturally be that I don't believe it's there, however, I generally wouldn't like to say to someone that there isn't racist police brutality, if I don't have any idea. Just had a very quick google and the number of deaths in custody is exceptionally low (f*ck you America) and from BAME whilst it is out of proportion, 10 people more is such a small sample size that to discuss death in police custody against BAME being racist wouldn't be a fair argument IMO. So I'm potentially on side.

However, statistics that are also worth noting
- Black people are 8x more likely to be stopped & searched
- Metropolitan police are 4x more likely to use force on black people
- Black people were twice as likely to be fined for breaking lockdown

There are a few reports of police racism, I saw one from someone quite senior in the force recently admitting that there was still racism and it was still very prevalent.

So ultimately, what do you want to put brutality down to? Deaths? Or violence? The stats show that yeah, there is police brutality against black people.

www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund

“We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism...”
Careful what you wish for I guess...

Interestingly they had that Mission statement on their twitter in a 4 panel jpg, it appears to have been removed but it is obviously still on their funding page. I can assure you most strongly that I wasn’t made aware of it through the daily mail either! More a forum that has a spectrum of political opinions- from left to right.



And whilst this is not a game or a point scoring exercise I will gently say it is “good to see” that your reasoning agrees with mine that the number of deaths is low. When people parrot the stats (and sc was guilty of this earlier) relating to the U.K. they never put it in context, number of deaths vs arrests. When you do that, as you saw yourself, complaining about deaths of anyone regardless of skin colour in the U.K. is such a miniscule sample size that it’s pointless.

Oldie thinks squabbling over the minutiae like this is pointless but it actually isn’t because the semantics are important. Otherwise you fall into BLMs emotive trap of thinking *everything* in the U.K. is sh** (which is what they want you to believe) when actually some things are not as bad as they are making out. I try to keep an open mind so for me, yes, it’s important to separate racism from brutality from deaths in custody.

And I guess it depends what the definition of brutality actually is- to me it implies physical harm so police stopping more black people is not brutality, that’s *potentially* racism but what I don’t have is evidence for or against the notion that black people are identified as the suspect for more crimes. If that *were* to be the case then the police have more reason to seek out black people than they would other races, right?

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but it's not always helpful to see these issues through prisms of colour.

If you have the time, invest 10 minutes listening to this guy, the reference to Glasgow and when he says that a knife crime where the knife is in a black hand suddenly becomes a black crime are key points for me, anyway, watch and let me know what you think;

Are we counting bodies to decide who is good and bad?

You'll have to set up the rules for this, how much economic growth counts as 1 merit, how many people found innocent after state execution gets you a demerit etc, it sounds like quite a complicated game to me.

I was just surprised that you included them in a list of wistful reminiscences.

But hey, I make sure that my life size oil painting of Maggie that's hung in pride of place above my bed is dusted and straightened every evening, so we all look over our shoulders towards better days that have past I guess.

I forgot to mention the naked bit...

Of course, you assumed it was in jest.  Have you ever wondered where brown people see themselves fitting into all this?
And telling people that expressing the opinion that ALL lives matter is somehow unacceptable, won`t help change prejudicial attitudes.  Never.

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but it's not always helpful to see these issues through prisms of colour.

If you have the time, invest 10 minutes listening to this guy, the reference to Glasgow and when he says that a knife crime where the knife is in a black hand suddenly becomes a black crime are key points for me, anyway, watch and let me know what you think;