George Floyd - America so f**ked up

The plot twist though is that ONS data suggests that in London Chinese workers earn 30% more than white workers and Indians 12% more and white boys on free school meals are the worst performers in schools nationwide currently. So if we whites ARE systematically racist we seem to be about as good at being systematically racist as our government is at dealing with pandemics.

This thread has descended into some kind of hilarious mid-summer farce.

I'm not sure what our friends from the left want now, investment, which would presumably require funds generated via this disgusting capitalist patriarchy, or Communism.

But it's good to see at least 2 people arguing for zero economic privilege, so if they could please confirm that they have bequeathed all of their estate to BLM UK that would be super.

The white privilege stuff is AIDs, as is “Black Lives Matter”. It’s like these slogans are chosen specifically to cause as much division, rather than consensus, as possible- who benefits most from that division?

I saw a good back and forth about white privilege at the weekend, the general take was that it’s supposed to be an incontrovertible truth: you may have many problems as a white person but your skin colour won’t be one. Okay I can kind of get behind that, it’s more of ephemeral and societal thing. But the idea that the Chinese and Indians are succeeding very nicely in this country suggests that white privilege might just be more propaganda that we are assuming is true because we hear about the prison population being mostly black etc. I’ve never argued that we have structural racism as it seems very likely...but now I wonder how much of this is self inflicted due to the influence of culture (let’s be fair, rap is not “happy clappy” music with an uplifting message is it?) and role models. Even then it’s not that simple because outside of London deprived white lads are suffering most...

So this assumption of white privilege leads to what we are seeing at the moment it being used as tool to beat individuals with and it just doesn’t work and makes people angry. I find it very offensive that people assume to know my life’s history. I can assure you there are black kids out there who would not have wanted my childhood- white skin or no white skin. Imagine telling a survivor of the Balkans conflict that they have had white privilege all their lives! Strewth...

But once again though, what does calling people racist or throwing the phrase “white privilege” about actually achieve apart from accrue virtual virtue signalling points that are redeemable on social media only? It’s like Dion Dublin brilliantly put it: “It’s just wearing t-shirts at the end of the day”. And more than that it turns the rationally minded moderate people off and alienates then from the cause.

I’ve seen BAME people claim they don’t care who gets offended by their slogans and words and in some ways that’s noble but the facts are that we live in a majority white country and the people with the casting vote voted overwhelmingly for a hardcore Tory government last time out. If you want change you need to win these people over at the voting booth and you aren’t going to do it with potentially antagonistic sloganeering.

As I’ve said from the beginning- who really benefits from all this division amongst the least privileged (yes black AND white ) strata of society?

Again
You are making it up.
The issue with the murdered sisters was painful because they were black and the police that took and distributed the photos were white (to the best of my knowledge)
Painful because (nauseating and repulsive always regardless of gender, sexuality or race) it happened at a time of hightened tension here and world wide.
The three guys who were murdered in Reading were not from an ethnic minority and the police, as far as I know did not take photos of their bodies and distribute them.
You raised the point about their sexuality, when for the majority on here that's a non event. It might be relevant if we subsequently discover that the Libyan who murdered them targeted them because of their sexual preference, but we don't know that yet and nor do you.
Plus this tragedy was a subject of lengthy piece on either C4 or BBC news, contrary to your assertion that it was not covered, where the LGBT community in Reading were featured outside the pub in Reading which appears to be their social hub.

I'm not sure you're understanding the meaning of white privilege. I as well thought it was a tad offensive and it naturally got my back up a little bit. Until I spoke to a black friend about it and she said "white privilege isn't about not having gone through struggle or hardship - it's about white people not having to go through some of the difficulties as black people do, because of their skin colour".

I don't think anyone is claiming to know your life's history - so there is really no need to take offence. 

Also, your Balkan example is terrible  

I think I haven’t explained myself well again! I’m not taking issue with the concept from a high level, which is applicable in terms of society as a whole (as you illustrated) I’m taking issue with it being used as a stick to bash individuals with because it’s just stupid then. Eg I saw a really inane case where someone was bashing their successful friend who became self made despite growing up in poverty, this ‘friend’ was trying to claim their success was all down to white privilege :rollseyes: it’s that sort of stuff that’s ridiculous and not helpful.

Point taken on the Balkans example, probably a bad specific example, but I think the general point is valid that some black people will have lived better lives than some white people. Hence why I feel white privilege as a reason to bash individuals is counter productive.

"You've completely exposed your bias with your comment that the 3 guys from Reading were not from an ethnic minority. So what? 3 Men are dead, you are implying that it would have been worse if they were black. Lord help us, what is wrong with you? Show some decency and compassion."

I already framed that point in the context of heightened tension here and worldwide.

"I've been honest enough to admit that I have no idea why the Men in Reading were attacked, if indeed they were targeted, it may have been entirely random, unlike you, I keep an open mind on these things"

Unlike me? Who raised it on a thread discussing BAME issues and Equality & justice? Who invoked Murray?
I said I had no idea what this killer's motive was, what are you talking about?

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I don't watch C4, pure left wing propaganda, the UK's answer to CNN. I didn't see any BBC coverage mentioning the lifestyle choices of the Reading victims, but happy to take your word for it."

Yes, I am pretty sure it was not a featured article on Fox & Friends so it doesn't surprise me you missed it. Of course if one confines one's reading or media sources to that which only affirm your existing prejudices...well that induces brain rot.

I don't watch Fox either, it's as pointless as CNN.

I hope that the BBC sort themselves out, or they'll end up deregulated, commercial, and we'll get similar tripe being broadcast here. We already have it with C4 and Sky, but at least we don't have 2 broadcasters going head-to-head, yet!

Worth noting, you've used CNN clips to support your position, many times, so when I pop up a video of Tucker doing his thing, please treat it with the same respect that you expect people to afford your CNN content.

OK, now I'm a prick, I need to leave this forum and I've rotted my brain. Keep the insults coming, you've already shown enough for people to work out how volatile you are and what happened between us on the other forum.

That was then, this is now, let's put it behind us and just discuss the points.

My my, now with the insult? I wouldn't have thought, after everything you've been going on about in this thread, you'd insult someone, just because they're asking you to defend a statement. Isn't that ironic? 

What we've got here is a statement on a GoFundMe page, that isn't clear and a consensus cannot be reached on what it means. However, you firmly believe that based on that debatable statement, they're anti-capitalism? I thought you'd provide credible supporting evidence, as you had previously stated.

Do you have any, non-questionable, evidence to back up your claim? You said earlier in the thread that you're open minded, I'm struggling to see that here. If we have a debatable statement, surely you'd be open minded to the idea that your conclusion could be incorrect. But you're pretty set in your ways, which means that either you're contradicting yourself when you say "Yes, I'll provide my opinion, and hopefully credible supporting evidence, when I have a position to defend." or you have stronger evidence to back up your claims that BLMUK are anti-capitalism. Which is it?

I'd also be curious at some point to discover why you thought I had accepted and in fact agreed with your point on my previous post. But for now, let's not get distracted.