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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 21:15:52 GMT
Nothing can change til this sort of sh** stops Is this the guy who simply said he personally wasn’t going to be kneeling because in his view it disrespected the anthem and the threat of being lynched made him quickly take it back and issue a grovelling apology? That one? Drew Brees, if that's who you refer to. But the point was the tone of the interviews |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 4, 2020 21:22:33 GMT
Nothing can change til this sort of sh** stops Is this the guy who simply said he personally wasn’t going to be kneeling because in his view it disrespected the anthem and the threat of being lynched made him quickly take it back and issue a grovelling apology? That one? Its not about Drew Brees or Lebron or what they said Its about the reporter. LeBron (Black Man) should shut up and dribble. Drew Brees (White man) allowed an opinion |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 21:24:46 GMT
Is this the guy who simply said he personally wasn’t going to be kneeling because in his view it disrespected the anthem and the threat of being lynched made him quickly take it back and issue a grovelling apology? That one? Its not about Drew Brees or Lebron or what they said Its about the reporter. LeBron (Black Man) should shut up and dribble. Drew Brees (White man) allowed an opinion I am beginning to wonder about 365... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 22:21:11 GMT
Its not about Drew Brees or Lebron or what they said Its about the reporter. LeBron (Black Man) should shut up and dribble. Drew Brees (White man) allowed an opinion I am beginning to wonder about 365... When you’re as outspoken as I am not being bothered what people think of you is an occupational necessity oldie. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2020 23:08:25 GMT
*sarcastic clapping*
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Post by inee on Jun 5, 2020 1:24:47 GMT
terrorised at school by the black kids and then beaten up when I got home by my dad. Are you my brother, had the same sh** when i was in primary, and during the first year of secondary , when i learnt to fight back, funny how quick it stops then, stood in front many a punch aimed at mum as well. although dad did step in with the bullying and try to help but it just made it worse What galls most is people won't believe it happened and decide hey you must have done something to get bullied(standard teacher response). You see these types on here And yet it's these same people who insist on seeing people not as one race ie humans but as separate races based mainly on colour, some also seem to think that religion is also a race. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 4:41:51 GMT
I am beginning to wonder about 365... When you’re as outspoken as I am not being bothered what people think of you is an occupational necessity oldie. Ditto Fair point. |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 5, 2020 6:56:16 GMT
denver.cbslocal.com/2020/06/04/denver-police-encounter-naphtali-israel/I doubt this would have happened with a white man and his 3 kids, but even so white/black how do you scrap it all and start again? Its impossible. They allow people to carry guns, someone reports someone for having a gun and potential trouble happens. Its a vicious circle because of their f**ked up 2nd amendment
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 7:04:13 GMT
terrorised at school by the black kids and then beaten up when I got home by my dad. Are you my brother, had the same sh** when i was in primary, and during the first year of secondary , when i learnt to fight back, funny how quick it stops then, stood in front many a punch aimed at mum as well. although dad did step in with the bullying and try to help but it just made it worse What galls most is people won't believe it happened and decide hey you must have done something to get bullied(standard teacher response). You see these types on here And yet it's these same people who insist on seeing people not as one race ie humans but as separate races based mainly on colour, some also seem to think that religion is also a race. That whole “they stop it if you fight back” stuff never worked for me. I recall I used to be big into wrestling back in the day and one of the so-called tough kids tried to fight me, for once I fought back and I got him in this wrestling hold. Yet again it was humiliating for him seeing one of the weak kids at the bottom of the pecking order embarrass him in front of all the girls. So he had an idea where I lived and my walk home from school took me through this narrow alley, when I was walking home I found him waiting for me with one of his sixth former mates and he gave me a kicking while his sixth former mate made sure I couldn’t fight back. Tough lad. I gave up after that and just tried to keep to myself. That didn’t work too well either. My school was such a sh** hole it was torn down in the 2000s. Wasn’t much better than borstal. Which is why I get so wound up when people tell me to check my privilege like I’ve had this wonderful life full of opportunity. I’ve been singled out by the police too, that happened a lot in Bradley Stoke if you were a lad on his own out after dark. I don’t doubt I may have had advantages in job interviews and such and that there is perhaps a sub-conscious racism in this country in certain contexts but the constant virtue signalling and assumption that *all* white people have this massive “privilege” just by being white undermines those people’s experiences. Eg extreme example imagine telling a white girl to check her privilege and then finding out she was sex trafficked. Even worse, being told by someone like Beyoncé all about my privilege. Ugh. The thing with life is someone has always had it better and someone has always had it worse, me going and hating on Tory MPs for their Eton education and their privileged upbringing just makes me look like a twat (which some on this thread will think I need no help with!) so for me I think making white people feel guilty for being white is the wrong way to go about bringing people together to solve prejudice in this country. |
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Post by althepirate on Jun 5, 2020 8:04:04 GMT
Are you my brother, had the same sh** when i was in primary, and during the first year of secondary , when i learnt to fight back, funny how quick it stops then, stood in front many a punch aimed at mum as well. although dad did step in with the bullying and try to help but it just made it worse What galls most is people won't believe it happened and decide hey you must have done something to get bullied(standard teacher response). You see these types on here And yet it's these same people who insist on seeing people not as one race ie humans but as separate races based mainly on colour, some also seem to think that religion is also a race. That whole “they stop it if you fight back” stuff never worked for me. I recall I used to be big into wrestling back in the day and one of the so-called tough kids tried to fight me, for once I fought back and I got him in this wrestling hold. Yet again it was humiliating for him seeing one of the weak kids at the bottom of the pecking order embarrass him in front of all the girls. So he had an idea where I lived and my walk home from school took me through this narrow alley, when I was walking home I found him waiting for me with one of his sixth former mates and he gave me a kicking while his sixth former mate made sure I couldn’t fight back. Tough lad. I gave up after that and just tried to keep to myself. That didn’t work too well either. My school was such a sh** hole it was torn down in the 2000s. Wasn’t much better than borstal. Which is why I get so wound up when people tell me to check my privilege like I’ve had this wonderful life full of opportunity. I’ve been singled out by the police too, that happened a lot in Bradley Stoke if you were a lad on his own out after dark. I don’t doubt I may have had advantages in job interviews and such and that there is perhaps a sub-conscious racism in this country in certain contexts but the constant virtue signalling and assumption that *all* white people have this massive “privilege” just by being white undermines those people’s experiences. Eg extreme example imagine telling a white girl to check her privilege and then finding out she was sex trafficked. Even worse, being told by someone like Beyoncé all about my privilege. Ugh. The thing with life is someone has always had it better and someone has always had it worse, me going and hating on Tory MPs for their Eton education and their privileged upbringing just makes me look like a twat (which some on this thread will think I need no help with!) so for me I think making white people feel guilty for being white is the wrong way to go about bringing people together to solve prejudice in this country. That post was a great leveller for those who think that all blacks are victims and all whites have a wonderful life. We cannot start to deal with racism with that attitude. There was rich white landowners and black slaves but that dismisses the white people who had an awful life in slum conditions who were also slaves to the wealthy. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 8:05:39 GMT
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" so for me I think making white people feel guilty for being white is the wrong way to go about bringing people together to solve"
It absolutely is not about that.
It's about getting everyone to recognise the inherent racial bias / prejudice in our society and then understand the impact that has.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 8:09:48 GMT
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"but that dismisses the white people who had an awful life in slum conditions who were also slaves to the wealthy."
We don't. But when we raise it, pointing to the disparity in income distribution, to the housing crisis, to the undermining of public services that affects the poorest the most, we are accused of being wild lefties.
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Post by althepirate on Jun 5, 2020 8:21:00 GMT
Al "but that dismisses the white people who had an awful life in slum conditions who were also slaves to the wealthy." We don't. But when we raise it, pointing to the disparity in income distribution, to the housing crisis, to the undermining of public services that affects the poorest the most, we are accused of being wild lefties. That's because thanks to people like Momentum dragging the Labour party down they become unelectable. They never seem to understand that to exert power we have to be in power and to be in power we have to consider everyone not just their ideological selves. Yes even the rich. Once again the problem is simple narrowmindness. The result is those you care about lose out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 8:25:31 GMT
365 " so for me I think making white people feel guilty for being white is the wrong way to go about bringing people together to solve" It absolutely is not about that. It's about getting everyone to recognise the inherent racial bias / prejudice in our society and then understand the impact that has. That’s as maybe but they need a better catchphrase then than “check your privilege”. There is a great article on Mises.org where they discuss the etymology of the phrase and basically tear it apart into logical fallacies. I think you would have to be an idiot not to be well aware that certain sections of society are favoured but that goes for everyone. We *all* can give examples of how we as an individual are disadvantaged, it doesn’t have to be reduced to the common denominator in order to start having a discussion about it, doing so just causes further antagonism. I did some research last night to see how many people feel the way I do and I was surprised to find there is a growing intolerance for the BLM movement simply because of the way the argument is expressed- over-use of the word “privilege” is patronising in the extreme and causes people to lash out and make further privation fallacies about how people in parts of Africa like Zaire have less privilege than black Americans etc. Black people in the U.K. undoubtedly face *less* racism than in America, should they check their privilege? On the whole I think there will be some very happy rich old men at the moment because society being segregated by gender and race with in-fighting amongst those groups is doing a great job of keeping the most disadvantaged in life at each other’s throats when if they stopped the rioting and banded together as a political class a hell of a lot more could be achieved. Divide and conquer, the oldest tactic in the book and still the most powerful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 8:28:25 GMT
Al "but that dismisses the white people who had an awful life in slum conditions who were also slaves to the wealthy." We don't. But when we raise it, pointing to the disparity in income distribution, to the housing crisis, to the undermining of public services that affects the poorest the most, we are accused of being wild lefties. And this ties in to my last post. Poverty is about both white and black, we should not be divided on this issue. Let’s improve the loves for everybody in the U.K. through social mobility- that’s the key issue here which is being lost among the noise of poor white people being asked to check their privilege. We are all in this together and the answer is not to vandalise our cenotaphs but to politically strategise to get more families out of poverty. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 8:35:50 GMT
Al "but that dismisses the white people who had an awful life in slum conditions who were also slaves to the wealthy." We don't. But when we raise it, pointing to the disparity in income distribution, to the housing crisis, to the undermining of public services that affects the poorest the most, we are accused of being wild lefties. That's because thanks to people like Momentum dragging the Labour party down they become unelectable. They never seem to understand that to exert power we have to be in power and to be in power we have to consider everyone not just their ideological selves. Yes even the rich. Once again the problem is simple narrowmindness. The result is those you care about lose out. I agree. But then you see on this forum even, that those of us who argue for a solution to the issues at hand are labelled lefties, if we try to argue the case we quickly are labelled arrogant, especially when we point out the inconsistency in the counter argument. Rather than do any of that, why can we not just discuss the issues at hand? Many times that appears to be because some do not want to accept the issues actually exist. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 8:37:32 GMT
Al "but that dismisses the white people who had an awful life in slum conditions who were also slaves to the wealthy." We don't. But when we raise it, pointing to the disparity in income distribution, to the housing crisis, to the undermining of public services that affects the poorest the most, we are accused of being wild lefties. And this ties in to my last post. Poverty is about both white and black, we should not be divided on this issue. Let’s improve the loves for everybody in the U.K. through social mobility- that’s the key issue here which is being lost among the noise of poor white people being asked to check their privilege. We are all in this together and the answer is not to vandalise our cenotaphs but to politically strategise to get more families out of poverty. Totally (personally I wouldn't hang on the over use of one phrase) But yes absolutely. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 5, 2020 8:47:13 GMT
365 " so for me I think making white people feel guilty for being white is the wrong way to go about bringing people together to solve" It absolutely is not about that. It's about getting everyone to recognise the inherent racial bias / prejudice in our society and then understand the impact that has. I have been following this and it is a very complex issue so here's a bit of what I think. Do I think we have made progress in my lifetime ,undoubtedly yes is there a long way to go undoubtedly yes. Whilst we have legislated to end discrimination you cannot legislate people's minds,much of what we see is endemic in our culture and has developed over 2000 years. There is prejudice in all Cultures it's not exclusive and it has a corrosive effect on how we ALL interact with each other. It's also about beliefs,the Industry I worked in had very clear anti discrimination policy however,whilst by and large it was adhered to many did not believe in it and this undermines any attempt to move forward. For me it's about providing Opportunity to all and education particularly something that my generation never had,so am I confident we will make progress in future again undoubtedly yes however changing Culture and endemic beliefs built and sustained over centuries is not going to happen overnight. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2020 8:53:48 GMT
365 " so for me I think making white people feel guilty for being white is the wrong way to go about bringing people together to solve" It absolutely is not about that. It's about getting everyone to recognise the inherent racial bias / prejudice in our society and then understand the impact that has. I have been following this and it is a very complex issue so here's a bit of what I think. Do I think we have made progress in my lifetime ,undoubtedly yes is there a long way to go undoubtedly yes. Whilst we have legislated to end discrimination you cannot legislate people's minds,much of what we see is endemic in our culture and has developed over 2000 years. There is prejudice in all Cultures it's not exclusive and it has a corrosive effect on how we ALL interact with each other. It's also about beliefs,the Industry I worked in had very clear anti discrimination policy however,whilst by and large it was adhered to many did not believe in it and this undermines any attempt to move forward. For me it's about providing Opportunity to all and education particularly something that my generation never had,so am I confident we will make progress in future again undoubtedly yes however changing Culture and endemic beliefs built and sustained over centuries is not going to happen overnight. And nothing highlights your last sentence more than attending a football game. Today, in 2020, how many times do you here it at games? |
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Post by althepirate on Jun 5, 2020 9:11:41 GMT
That's because thanks to people like Momentum dragging the Labour party down they become unelectable. They never seem to understand that to exert power we have to be in power and to be in power we have to consider everyone not just their ideological selves. Yes even the rich. Once again the problem is simple narrowmindness. The result is those you care about lose out. I agree. But then you see on this forum even, that those of us who argue for a solution to the issues at hand are labelled lefties, if we try to argue the case we quickly are labelled arrogant, especially when we point out the inconsistency in the counter argument. Rather than do any of that, why can we not just discuss the issues at hand? Many times that appears to be because some do not want to accept the issues actually exist. We all want the same things Oldie but we only disagree on the methods. Once a political party drifts further away from the centre the middle of the road, sensible, hard working voter will relate less to it and will start looking for a more suitable alternative and of course this becomes a personal opinion. However it makes it easier to make that decision if the party moves away from reality into ideology. Also we look at the heads of those parties, what they say, will what they say work and we again make a personal decision. Regarding the last election, two of the last three parties were against a democratic vote which was made by the people of this country and for many this was the final straw. People like fairness whether they have won or lost, it is the backbone of society and the sensible voter voted for fairness. Until the Labour party realise they are going to run the whole country and not just those with the same ideology as themselves they will never be in charge of the whole country and so therefore won't be able to help those we both support. |
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