George Floyd - America so f**ked up

Sure, I can give it a go later tonight

Here you go;





BTW, I watch several of their presenters, including O'Brien, who I think is very good at what he does and often drops in useful bits of information. Don't like him when he's just ranting, but he usually prepares well for interviews, so worth watching.

So,

"This is where our views diverge, there's a large element of personal responsibility which people need to accept for themselves. This is a great country. Could it be better, yes, but there's a reason why people risk their lives and cross other 'safe' countries to get here, that's not because it's a racist Hell hole with no opportunity. Those figures about Indian and Asian wage demonstrate that skin colour in itself isn't a barrier to success, that's played out in Australia also.

Should we give the needy a helping hand? Of course. Is it better to get people considering what they need to do to get social housing or what they can do with their lives to get a nice home of their own for themselves and their family. I know which message sounds more positive and progressive to me."

A lot of that is right out of the Friedrich Hayek handbook.

I mean really. Who is going to deny personal responsibility? No the real issue is income distribution, measurable by either direct income or the fruits of our economy distributed through provision of high class services.
Then we get the usual nationalist trope. "This is a great country....look at all the immigrants who want to come here."
Sure they do, look at what they running away from. So is it push, or is it pull?
Then look where they come from, in no particular order. Africa generally, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq.

Take a map, pin point those countries and then overlay invasion, subjugation and colonisation. Add a big pinch of resource theft.
Look at our part in all of that and say, with any degree of seriousness, that this is a great country.

On housing.
Are you serious? Are you aware of the length of the waiting list for social housing? "A nice home of their own"
What planet are you on? You are aware of the deposits required, the actual cost of houses?

When you receiving in work benefits, barely able to pay the rent, struggle to feed your kids, scrape to pay utility bills, laying in bed at night dreaming of a "nice home of your own", is just that, a dream, a fantasy.

Just 3 points.

How many 'safe' countries do people from Africa typically cross to arrive at this Hell hole? 

Yes, perfectly serious, stop the victim narrative and give people hope. Asians, Indians etc cope perfectly well, despite not having white skin. That holes the skin colour argument beneath the waterline, now we see a different argument proposed, one we've not heard before, Brown privilege. Give me a break.

Your argument starts with a conclusion and ignores everything along the way that's inconvenient.

Hope over fear for me.

But has he? That's the actual question. And one that he asks.

Anyway, you've misquoted him, what he actually says is that the trustees told him, ''You've brought the charity into disrepute, just look at Twitter''. So what we have here is Twitter outrage setting what constitutes disrepute. May as well just disband tribunals and our judicial system then and just see what Twitter reckons. 

You still haven't answered the original question, which was, do you think that a Man who has done so much to help disadvantaged youngsters should lose his position for what he wrote there? My position is that, no, absolutely not he shouldn't, what's yours?

Not happening.

Not a single one of this lot on here have even confirmed yet that they are leaving their property to a disadvantaged black family in their will.

My position is that the Trustees, Governed by their own articles and under the jurisdiction of the charity commission, will act in the best interests of their charity. I am not in a position to judge the veracity of their decision, as you are not.

On that basis there is no such thing as employee rights? If an employer thinks that by wearing the wrong colour socks you’ve brought the company into disrepute you cannot really complain because they have the right to determine what constitutes ‘disrepute’ regardless of how unreasonable their interpretation may be?

He's a good man, he says that he is walking away because a public fight actually would harm the charity.

Disgusting.