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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 22:53:12 GMT
Here you go; BTW, I watch several of their presenters, including O'Brien, who I think is very good at what he does and often drops in useful bits of information. Don't like him when he's just ranting, but he usually prepares well for interviews, so worth watching. So just got round to watching it. Before commenting on his sacking, I would certainly like to read the blog post, to make an informed decision whether it was the right call. I had a quick google, but couldn't seem to find anything. Do you have the link? Definitely though, the CEO should really think about what he's writing. If it was a tweet, maybe it could be forgiven, but for someone to write a blog (I assume something weekly/monthly?) then he really needs to be smarter, whatever he said. My currently company makes us sign about social media presence. Blimey, back when I was in retail 10 years ago, there was specific training and sign offs on social media, how to act and that it anything we say on social media can be treated as a sackable offence. Regarding focusing on the opportunities vs victim - I do agree, to an extent. What I disagree with is that it's painted as an either/or situation. Why not both? Certainly there is no need to "force" the victim on people, that just creates division. But I don't think anyone is forcing anything here, you choose to listen or you don't. You decide whether that resonates with you, or you don't. I think the problem is that we also need to acknowledge the victimisation, otherwise for me it's just a case of ignoring it. EG, 'Thanks for sharing your views how you feel like we've been racist and you're upset, but let's not focus on that - let's focus on the opportunities in front of you'. I'd prefer 'You're right, things haven't been fair. We acknowledge that and we apologise. Let's work together to create equal opportunity - come together and move forward'. No, sorry, I don't know where he originally made / posted / broadcast the comments, I didn't bother looking for verification as he seemed totally genuine and nothing but saddened by what was happening. I'll have a look around if you want it confirmed as accurate? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 6:27:37 GMT
There you have it, in his own words. "They said (the Trustees) that he had brought the Charity into disrepute". They are trustees, that's their call to make. You might disagree with it, but like any employer they have the right to make that judgement. On that basis there is no such thing as employee rights? If an employer thinks that by wearing the wrong colour socks you’ve brought the company into disrepute you cannot really complain because they have the right to determine what constitutes ‘disrepute’ regardless of how unreasonable their interpretation may be? I make the assumption that you are aware of the Industrial Tribunal, which deals with cases of unfair dismissal? Could you confirm? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 6:31:30 GMT
My position is that the Trustees, Governed by their own articles and under the jurisdiction of the charity commission, will act in the best interests of their charity. I am not in a position to judge the veracity of their decision, as you are not. OK, so we are on opposing sides yet again. I don't think in a million years that it's the correct decision. A good man driven out, just in case of Twitter outrage, for me that's very sad. This outrage isn't coming from my side of politics. I hope you and your friends on the left are pleased with yourselves. Personally, I'm disgusted. Ah, the "Outraged of Tonbridge Wells" approach. I would be interested to understand what detailed evidence you have which justifies your faux outrage? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 6:33:08 GMT
My comments were not aimed at skin colour or race. Who described the UK as a hell hole?? What I described is the reality for far to many people in the UK.Then gift all of your possessions to the disadvantaged, go on, double dare you. Such a mature approach to discussing the real issues in our society. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 6:39:56 GMT
So just got round to watching it. Before commenting on his sacking, I would certainly like to read the blog post, to make an informed decision whether it was the right call. I had a quick google, but couldn't seem to find anything. Do you have the link? Definitely though, the CEO should really think about what he's writing. If it was a tweet, maybe it could be forgiven, but for someone to write a blog (I assume something weekly/monthly?) then he really needs to be smarter, whatever he said. My currently company makes us sign about social media presence. Blimey, back when I was in retail 10 years ago, there was specific training and sign offs on social media, how to act and that it anything we say on social media can be treated as a sackable offence. Regarding focusing on the opportunities vs victim - I do agree, to an extent. What I disagree with is that it's painted as an either/or situation. Why not both? Certainly there is no need to "force" the victim on people, that just creates division. But I don't think anyone is forcing anything here, you choose to listen or you don't. You decide whether that resonates with you, or you don't. I think the problem is that we also need to acknowledge the victimisation, otherwise for me it's just a case of ignoring it. EG, 'Thanks for sharing your views how you feel like we've been racist and you're upset, but let's not focus on that - let's focus on the opportunities in front of you'. I'd prefer 'You're right, things haven't been fair. We acknowledge that and we apologise. Let's work together to create equal opportunity - come together and move forward'. No, sorry, I don't know where he originally made / posted / broadcast the comments, I didn't bother looking for verification as he seemed totally genuine and nothing but saddened by what was happening. I'll have a look around if you want it confirmed as accurate? Ah, I missed this response. So you are confirming you have no idea where or how he made the comments, or indeed the actual words he used. Faux outrage Indeed. |
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Post by Gassy on Jul 2, 2020 7:57:44 GMT
So just got round to watching it. Before commenting on his sacking, I would certainly like to read the blog post, to make an informed decision whether it was the right call. I had a quick google, but couldn't seem to find anything. Do you have the link? Definitely though, the CEO should really think about what he's writing. If it was a tweet, maybe it could be forgiven, but for someone to write a blog (I assume something weekly/monthly?) then he really needs to be smarter, whatever he said. My currently company makes us sign about social media presence. Blimey, back when I was in retail 10 years ago, there was specific training and sign offs on social media, how to act and that it anything we say on social media can be treated as a sackable offence. Regarding focusing on the opportunities vs victim - I do agree, to an extent. What I disagree with is that it's painted as an either/or situation. Why not both? Certainly there is no need to "force" the victim on people, that just creates division. But I don't think anyone is forcing anything here, you choose to listen or you don't. You decide whether that resonates with you, or you don't. I think the problem is that we also need to acknowledge the victimisation, otherwise for me it's just a case of ignoring it. EG, 'Thanks for sharing your views how you feel like we've been racist and you're upset, but let's not focus on that - let's focus on the opportunities in front of you'. I'd prefer 'You're right, things haven't been fair. We acknowledge that and we apologise. Let's work together to create equal opportunity - come together and move forward'. No, sorry, I don't know where he originally made / posted / broadcast the comments, I didn't bother looking for verification as he seemed totally genuine and nothing but saddened by what was happening. I'll have a look around if you want it confirmed as accurate? If you do happen to come across it, that would be grand - but don't go out of your way for me! I'm sure the bloke is genuine, but there are always 2 sides to a story tbf. I saw another interview with Marilyn Comrie on the subject to get the other side where she had mentioned some parts of the blog that made me want to read it myself. Other than that, I couldn't stand the interview with her. She really comes across as a d*ck head. Just one of those idiots who brand the name white supremacist for anyone who isn't part of BLM. Thankfully the interviewer mostly showed her up on her views, calling Nick Buckley an EDL supporter and anyone who signed the counter petition an EDL supporter ffs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 8:57:42 GMT
No, sorry, I don't know where he originally made / posted / broadcast the comments, I didn't bother looking for verification as he seemed totally genuine and nothing but saddened by what was happening. I'll have a look around if you want it confirmed as accurate? If you do happen to come across it, that would be grand - but don't go out of your way for me! I'm sure the bloke is genuine, but there are always 2 sides to a story tbf. I saw another interview with Marilyn Comrie on the subject to get the other side where she had mentioned some parts of the blog that made me want to read it myself. Other than that, I couldn't stand the interview with her. She really comes across as a d*ck head. Just one of those idiots who brand the name white supremacist for anyone who isn't part of BLM. Thankfully the interviewer mostly showed her up on her views, calling Nick Buckley an EDL supporter and anyone who signed the counter petition an EDL supporter ffs. This is a problem with where our media is headed, playing to the audience. I would rather news channels give us news, not opinion. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 2, 2020 9:00:42 GMT
Then gift all of your possessions to the disadvantaged, go on, double dare you. Such a mature approach to discussing the real issues in our society. Perhaps not, but, ( to me ) still a valid point being made. You`ve boasted on this forum of the "25 rip roaring years" you spent in the City. I`d humbly suggest that whatever white privilege there is in this country; you`ve been the recipient of more of it than most. You also never stop complaining about the unfair distribution of wealth/housing/resources etc. Well, now`s your chance to do something about it. Bequeath Oldie Towers to BLM. Make a difference. Even things up, just a little. You could have your name on a blue plaque outside. Just do it! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 9:00:44 GMT
No, sorry, I don't know where he originally made / posted / broadcast the comments, I didn't bother looking for verification as he seemed totally genuine and nothing but saddened by what was happening. I'll have a look around if you want it confirmed as accurate? If you do happen to come across it, that would be grand - but don't go out of your way for me! I'm sure the bloke is genuine, but there are always 2 sides to a story tbf. I saw another interview with Marilyn Comrie on the subject to get the other side where she had mentioned some parts of the blog that made me want to read it myself. Other than that, I couldn't stand the interview with her. She really comes across as a d*ck head. Just one of those idiots who brand the name white supremacist for anyone who isn't part of BLM. Thankfully the interviewer mostly showed her up on her views, calling Nick Buckley an EDL supporter and anyone who signed the counter petition an EDL supporter ffs. I don't think it makes any sense listening to commentators, particularly people like Hartley -Brewer and the person you quote here Gassy, as the comments are skewed by their own political viewpoints and are not objective. If the Trustees of the Charity had breached employment law the guy in question could seek legal redress. The fact that he has not and (according to Jung) doesn't want to damage the charity but continues to give interviews, speaks for itself. For me the, far from faultless, BLM movement being targeted by the usual suspects on the right. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 2, 2020 9:05:23 GMT
If you do happen to come across it, that would be grand - but don't go out of your way for me! I'm sure the bloke is genuine, but there are always 2 sides to a story tbf. I saw another interview with Marilyn Comrie on the subject to get the other side where she had mentioned some parts of the blog that made me want to read it myself. Other than that, I couldn't stand the interview with her. She really comes across as a d*ck head. Just one of those idiots who brand the name white supremacist for anyone who isn't part of BLM. Thankfully the interviewer mostly showed her up on her views, calling Nick Buckley an EDL supporter and anyone who signed the counter petition an EDL supporter ffs. This is a problem with where our media is headed, playing to the audience. I would rather news channels give us news, not opinion. All in the past. Hopefully in the future too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 9:07:45 GMT
No, sorry, I don't know where he originally made / posted / broadcast the comments, I didn't bother looking for verification as he seemed totally genuine and nothing but saddened by what was happening. I'll have a look around if you want it confirmed as accurate? Ah, I missed this response. So you are confirming you have no idea where or how he made the comments, or indeed the actual words he used. Faux outrage Indeed. No, read again, I was asked about the full statement, I'm commenting on the outcome based on available information as it was the exact same bit quoted everywhere it didn't seem unreasonable to conclude that was the problematic content. Now, I know that as a Champaign socialist you love nothing more than to pontificate and tell others how to live their lives from the well heeled comfort of your (white) privileged comfortable middle class lifestyle and won't give that up in its entirety, so how about a compromise. Why don't you pledge to leave anything above the median average UK estate value to charities that assist disadvantaged groups and gift any earning above the median average direct to those groups? Of course, there will need to to some retrospective payments made for years in the past when you've done well out of this system that oppresses minorities. I'm absolutely serious. If you won't commit to this you are in no position to demand or even suggest that anybody else changes anything at all that they do towards the ends that you propose. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 9:11:04 GMT
Such a mature approach to discussing the real issues in our society. Perhaps not, but, ( to me ) still a valid point being made. You`ve boasted on this forum of the "25 rip roaring years" you spent in the City. I`d humbly suggest that whatever white privilege there is in this country; you`ve been the recipient of more of it than most. You also never stop complaining about the unfair distribution of wealth/housing/resources etc. Well, now`s your chance to do something about it. Bequeath Oldie Towers to BLM. Make a difference. Even things up, just a little. You could have your name on a blue plaque outside. Just do it! Don't be pathetic William. On that remark I made I deservedly had the water taken out of me for making it. But, ages ago, I expressed my embarrassment and regret for making it. So.. I tell you what though as you are so keen on highlighting my position (real or imagined), do you think, can you honestly say, you maximised your abilities and took the opportunities that arose as a result? Therefore maximising your income and paying the taxes due on that income? That is the consensus way of income redistribution (subject to political party of course) Did you? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 9:18:32 GMT
"Faux outrage Indeed.
No, read again, I was asked about the full statement, I'm commenting on the outcome based on available information as it was the exact same bit quoted everywhere it didn't seem unreasonable to conclude that was the problematic content."
Ummmm....right. Ok
So available information on Twitter, the internet and an interview led by Hartley-Brewer. 😂😂
The only quantifiable FACT that emerged from that was from the guy himself
"They told me I had brought the Charity into disrepute"
Again, they have every right to draw that conclusion. If, the big if, he was unfairly dismissed then the Industrial Tribunal is there for him to appeal to. He has not (as far as anyone can ascertain)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 9:31:15 GMT
"Faux outrage Indeed. No, read again, I was asked about the full statement, I'm commenting on the outcome based on available information as it was the exact same bit quoted everywhere it didn't seem unreasonable to conclude that was the problematic content." Ummmm....right. Ok So available information on Twitter, the internet and an interview led by Hartley-Brewer. 😂😂 The only quantifiable FACT that emerged from that was from the guy himself "They told me I had brought the Charity into disrepute" Again, they have every right to draw that conclusion. If, the big if, he was unfairly dismissed then the Industrial Tribunal is there for him to appeal to. He has not (as far as anyone can ascertain) Next. I've already corrected you once on this, you've truncated what he said. Once is a mistake, twice, well... He's said that he's not contesting the decision as that would potentially harm the good name of the charity. I don't know, but my suspicion is that once the phone stops ringing from people requesting interviews he'll be straight back to the work he does, just not under the umbrella of that particular organisation, whilst the Twitter 'Mob' will be all sat at their computers feeling delighted that they've outed an evil man and made the world a better place. It's quite sickening. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 2, 2020 9:42:25 GMT
Perhaps not, but, ( to me ) still a valid point being made. You`ve boasted on this forum of the "25 rip roaring years" you spent in the City. I`d humbly suggest that whatever white privilege there is in this country; you`ve been the recipient of more of it than most. You also never stop complaining about the unfair distribution of wealth/housing/resources etc. Well, now`s your chance to do something about it. Bequeath Oldie Towers to BLM. Make a difference. Even things up, just a little. You could have your name on a blue plaque outside. Just do it! Don't be pathetic William. On that remark I made I deservedly had the water taken out of me for making it. But, ages ago, I expressed my embarrassment and regret for making it. So.. I tell you what though as you are so keen on highlighting my position (real or imagined), do you think, can you honestly say, you maximised your abilities and took the opportunities that arose as a result? Therefore maximising your income and paying the taxes due on that income? Given that I, like most people, need a work/life balance, I`d say that I did. I`ve been lucky in that I`ve never been out of work, and up until the age of 45 I worked as much overtime as I could get my hands on. I certainly think that I`ve paid my fair share in taxes, and then some. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 2, 2020 9:45:59 GMT
We`ve both been called pathetic now, Mr. Jung.
I haven`t been called a prick yet. But I live in hope.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 9:52:40 GMT
Such a mature approach to discussing the real issues in our society. Perhaps not, but, ( to me ) still a valid point being made. You`ve boasted on this forum of the "25 rip roaring years" you spent in the City. I`d humbly suggest that whatever white privilege there is in this country; you`ve been the recipient of more of it than most. You also never stop complaining about the unfair distribution of wealth/housing/resources etc. Well, now`s your chance to do something about it. Bequeath Oldie Towers to BLM. Make a difference. Even things up, just a little. You could have your name on a blue plaque outside. Just do it! What a surprise, this has been answered with a question turned back at you. I don't think Oldie has any moral standing to demand social change or even mention income distribution if he sits on his estate whilst watching others struggle at the bottom of the pecking order. It's game over for his argument. If he has any self awareness he'll never mention the subject again. Well done William, that was the equivalent of a Tyson right hook to the rib cage followed by an uppercut. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 9:53:32 GMT
We`ve both been called pathetic now, Mr. Jung. I haven`t been called a prick yet. But I live in hope. OK. You are a prick. How was it for you? |
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Post by Gassy on Jul 2, 2020 10:09:07 GMT
If you do happen to come across it, that would be grand - but don't go out of your way for me! I'm sure the bloke is genuine, but there are always 2 sides to a story tbf. I saw another interview with Marilyn Comrie on the subject to get the other side where she had mentioned some parts of the blog that made me want to read it myself. Other than that, I couldn't stand the interview with her. She really comes across as a d*ck head. Just one of those idiots who brand the name white supremacist for anyone who isn't part of BLM. Thankfully the interviewer mostly showed her up on her views, calling Nick Buckley an EDL supporter and anyone who signed the counter petition an EDL supporter ffs. I don't think it makes any sense listening to commentators, particularly people like Hartley -Brewer and the person you quote here Gassy, as the comments are skewed by their own political viewpoints and are not objective. If the Trustees of the Charity had breached employment law the guy in question could seek legal redress. The fact that he has not and (according to Jung) doesn't want to damage the charity but continues to give interviews, speaks for itself. For me the, far from faultless, BLM movement being targeted by the usual suspects on the right. True, but just because someone doesn't take legal action - doesn't always mean it's because the opposing party was correct. If I was this guy, I also wouldn't want to have my name dragged through the mud, media attention (although he seems to be loving that), the cost, time & stressed involved etc. I'm curious as to why a petition of only 450 people was enough to get him sacked though. When I first heard about it, I thought it had gone viral or something. I think this also begs the question whether he's done something before, or was already on his way out? Of course I'm completely guessing here though. Ultimately, unless I see the entire blog post (which may have been deleted as it seems hard to find) then it's hard to comment either way. Makes you wonder why it's been deleted though, if it wasn't that bad at all. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 2, 2020 10:13:40 GMT
If you do happen to come across it, that would be grand - but don't go out of your way for me! I'm sure the bloke is genuine, but there are always 2 sides to a story tbf. I saw another interview with Marilyn Comrie on the subject to get the other side where she had mentioned some parts of the blog that made me want to read it myself. Other than that, I couldn't stand the interview with her. She really comes across as a d*ck head. Just one of those idiots who brand the name white supremacist for anyone who isn't part of BLM. Thankfully the interviewer mostly showed her up on her views, calling Nick Buckley an EDL supporter and anyone who signed the counter petition an EDL supporter ffs. I don't think it makes any sense listening to commentators, particularly people like Hartley -Brewer and the person you quote here Gassy, as the comments are skewed by their own political viewpoints and are not objective. To be fair, Oldie, which commentators don`t do this? You frequently quote from the Guardian. Don`t they have their own political agenda, just as much as the Daily Mail at the other end of the spectrum? |
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