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Post by Hudson1883 on Aug 22, 2020 19:42:13 GMT
I think pre-season should be taken for what it is, however BG needs to act on what went wrong today before the start of the season. My concern is that it’s hard to go from a losing team to a winning team. Before Covid shut everything down, our form was abysmal. I’ve not forgotten that and I am still anxious about the start of the season, particularly with our first few games being tough. I recall the excuses that were made back then: he hadn’t had enough time on the training pitch and didn’t have his own players. Now we’ve made some signings and had a big build up to the start of this season the excuses for us being given the run around by Forest Green are that we are being worked too hard in training. I wonder what the excuse will be next week for why Garner still can’t seem to get us looking a cohesive outfit? The guy had a serious illness in the family weeks after starting a new job. I believe his time away from the playing squad can be excused. We beat play off finalists Exeter last week. Which is as meaningless as today’s result. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 22, 2020 19:51:05 GMT
I think the reason that some people are concerned by the performance are that they fully believed Garner was well out of his depth last season. We've signed some decent players on paper, but they won't be any good to us if the gaffer isn't a capable manager. Fully expect to be torn to shreds by the "how dare you say anything remotely negative about Garner" brigade, but I think a few people have conveniently forgotten just how unbelievably woeful we were under him last season. Of course it doesn't mean he can't/won't turn it around, but I think it's unfair to lambast those who are a bit panicky, even if it is "just a meaningless pre-season friendly". It's possible it won't be a reflection at all of what's to come - equally it could be. Only time will tell. My point is that last season was terrible and the off-season doesn't simply undo that. Some people will understandably have concerns. Whether they turn out to be justified is of course another matter entirely. Didn't see the game but the context is important. A very close to imagine will be our starting XI added to how bad Garner has done since he's been here. Yes it's only a friendly but it going by the result and the performance it doesn't encouraging. |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Aug 22, 2020 20:25:43 GMT
Haven't seen today's game or any of the others but I'm not surprised the knives are already out for BG despite the fact the team he can now justifiably call his have yet to play a game that actually matters. It baffles me how anyone can read anything into pre season games when the past is littered with examples of teams having crap pre seasons followed by a successful campaign and vice versa. If we win our next friendly does that mean we'll win the league ?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 22, 2020 20:31:44 GMT
I feel short-changed. Why, this week, does no-one feel appalled, embarrassed, shocked and humiliated that the unprofessional J C-H is unfit, out of condition, fat, and disgraceful? Yeah, imagine a player using preseason to get fit. Unbelievable. Get rid. |
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Post by yaz on Aug 22, 2020 20:53:22 GMT
Some time ago just after the new millennium. Rovers beat Premier League West Bromwich Albion 3-2 at the Mem in a pre season friendly. We finished 23rd in Third Division at the end of season. A few months back Rovers lost 1-0 to Stevenage in the competition that used to be the Football League Trophy. Shortly after Stevenage finished bottom of the entire football league. Funny old game eh... But being a London club, did they get relegated? Poor Macclesfield had a 2 point finevincreased to 4 and hey presto...........? If you understand why a pizza comes in a square box, is round inside and eaten in triangles then you understand how the EFL and the Premier League work? Just a Pizza advice! Are we gonna pizza league? 6 or 8 slices? No topping? UTG |
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Post by pirate on Aug 22, 2020 20:57:37 GMT
A few months back Rovers lost 1-0 to Stevenage in the competition that used to be the Football League Trophy. Shortly after Stevenage finished bottom of the entire football league. Funny old game eh... But being a London club, did they get relegated? Poor Macclesfield had a 2 point finevincreased to 4 and hey presto...........? If you understand why a pizza comes in a square box, is round inside and eaten in triangles then you understand how the EFL and the Premier League work? Just a Pizza advice! Are we gonna pizza league? 6 or 8 slices? No topping? UTG Every other post is about London. Lol. |
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Post by yaz on Aug 22, 2020 21:00:15 GMT
Pre season is all bollocks. Depends how you season it? Use plenty of turmeric, coriander, jeera, chillies, etc. and the team will then really get spiced up! [JCH = Jeera Coriander Hardar]. More please. Up The Spice Up The Gas? |
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Post by horfield on Aug 22, 2020 21:36:19 GMT
Haven't seen today's game or any of the others but I'm not surprised the knives are already out for BG despite the fact the team he can now justifiably call his have yet to play a game that actually matters. It baffles me how anyone can read anything into pre season games when the past is littered with examples of teams having crap pre seasons followed by a successful campaign and vice versa. If we win our next friendly does that mean we'll win the league ? We must give Garner and John Le Mesurier some consideration, they have never had to run a senior pro pre season in their lives before, academy tippy tappy preparation cannot be anything like dogs of war Div 1 life expectancy. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt with the next 3 pre season games, Cardiff, Cheltenham, Swansea and see how they set up in those pre season friendlies. You get the impression that Maher and Tucker who have been there before aren't included in the summit talks. |
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 22, 2020 21:42:15 GMT
I don't agree that performances in pre season friendlies are meaningless. Results maybe but not performances.
Ideally you'd like to see some evidence of what the players have been working on in training and maybe a few individuals showing real promise. We saw very little of either today with FGR bossing possession and creating many more chances.
We were lucky against Exeter and completely outplayed for most of todays game by an average league 2 outfit. I'm sure those who watched the stream would agree 4-3 flattered us.
At the moment the players brought in don't seem any more capable of playing the way Garner wants than those he released. Early days but I've watched all 3 friendlies and have seen very little to suggest we can get anywhere near the top 6. We need to see a massive improvement to even finish mid table.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Aug 22, 2020 23:08:27 GMT
Should we defeat Cardiff next week, will we see a 180 degree turn and untold amounts of praise and fanfare for BG & the team, by those pouring so much doubt on them following today’s result?
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Post by axegas on Aug 22, 2020 23:17:59 GMT
Should we defeat Cardiff next week, will we see a 180 degree turn and untold amounts of praise and fanfare for BG & the team, by those pouring so much doubt on them following today’s result? No-one’s pouring doubt on the result, I haven’t yet seen one post that has implied that we will struggle this season because of the result today. It’s more the manner of the performance that was disappointed today and you can’t blame people who have paid their hard earned money to watch it, to have an opinion on it. If we put in a good performance against Cardiff then a 180 turn around is entirely justified. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 22, 2020 23:18:17 GMT
Should we defeat Cardiff next week, will we see a 180 degree turn and untold amounts of praise and fanfare for BG & the team, by those pouring so much doubt on them following today’s result? That’s the nature of gaschat so probably yes. A couple of weeks ago we were going to waltz the league because of the signings we were making. Then we won one or two preseason games against lower level opposition and more of the same was said. It’s all a bit ridiculous. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 2:27:00 GMT
I don't agree that performances in pre season friendlies are meaningless. Results maybe but not performances. Ideally you'd like to see some evidence of what the players have been working on in training and maybe a few individuals showing real promise. We saw very little of either today with FGR bossing possession and creating many more chances. We were lucky against Exeter and completely outplayed for most of todays game by an average league 2 outfit. I'm sure those who watched the stream would agree 4-3 flattered us. At the moment the players brought in don't seem any more capable of playing the way Garner wants than those he released. Early days but I've watched all 3 friendlies and have seen very little to suggest we can get anywhere near the top 6. We need to see a massive improvement to even finish mid table. Exactly right, people are getting caught up in the result when it’s the pattern of play that is most concerning (although I do stand by the idea that it never hurts to get wins in friendlies either). It all sounds worryingly like nothing has changed on the pitch against teams who set out to give us a game. We might as well still be playing last season’s games for all the improvement on the pitch despite having had a close season and pro-longed pre-season to re-assess why it wasn’t working back in January and February. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 2:34:29 GMT
Should we defeat Cardiff next week, will we see a 180 degree turn and untold amounts of praise and fanfare for BG & the team, by those pouring so much doubt on them following today’s result? That’s the nature of gaschat so probably yes. A couple of weeks ago we were going to waltz the league because of the signings we were making. Then we won one or two preseason games against lower level opposition and more of the same was said. It’s all a bit ridiculous. Exactly right, penny for the thoughts of those who backed us to win the league based on signings made on paper. We never learn, every season it’s the same: “The best transfer window ever” followed by an opening day defeat and immediately playing catch-up, nothing about our pre-season suggests it will be different this year. |
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Post by peterparker on Aug 23, 2020 6:12:06 GMT
That’s the nature of gaschat so probably yes. A couple of weeks ago we were going to waltz the league because of the signings we were making. Then we won one or two preseason games against lower level opposition and more of the same was said. It’s all a bit ridiculous. Exactly right, penny for the thoughts of those who backed us to win the league based on signings made on paper. We never learn, every season it’s the same: “The best transfer window ever” followed by an opening day defeat and immediately playing catch-up, nothing about our pre-season suggests it will be different this year. Nothing about any pre season says anything |
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Post by romangas on Aug 23, 2020 6:13:49 GMT
.... Ben Garner is not fitting in at The Gas. A draw at Newport, defeat by FGR. He always talks post and pre-match like good times are around the corner and they never arrive Ben, do they ?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 23, 2020 7:27:11 GMT
.... Ben Garner is not fitting in at The Gas. A draw at Newport, defeat by FGR. He always talks post and pre-match like good times are around the corner and they never arrive Ben, do they ? It’s preseason. So can’t read too much into it. But yes, extremely worrying. On one hand I’m worried that our first fixtures are our more difficult ones and losses will be buried under “gelling” and “strength of opposition” and that he’ll get even more time if things continue on from last season, on the other hand it means a new manager gets the easier fixtures instead! |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Aug 23, 2020 8:27:35 GMT
Stoke and Crewe both lost yesterday to Burton and Barnsley respectivly.Think we need to wait until the real stuff starts before we panic although BG isn't a number one for me and the lack of a Chris Lines type creator is still a conspicuous absence
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Post by althepirate on Aug 23, 2020 8:40:27 GMT
So where do we look for an objective view? I suggest we look where the monied people give their unbiased opinion. The bookies.
We are now 25/1 to be Champions and 8/1 to go up.
There are eleven teams with shorter odds to go up so in their opinion we will be 12th.
I know this doesn't mean much, but it does give a more realistic view than some of the extreme views, both ways, expressed by us fans as we are emotionally involved.
So if we were to finish 12th, would Wael be happy, would we be happy?
Bookies get it wrong every day, but sobering thoughts perhaps towards our manager and signings?
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Post by blueridge on Aug 23, 2020 8:42:26 GMT
Whilst only a friendly, with the team that was selected I would’ve expected us to have ‘bossed’ the game - not to have effectively been outplayed by a league 2 team and certainly not to have conceded four goals.
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