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Post by Gastafari on Aug 24, 2020 11:52:52 GMT
They have to start well as the knives our already out. Now I can understand some of that being base don the performances last season, but the pre-season games should be irrelevant in any thinking It's nice to win friendlies and play well, but they are that friendlies. you cannot replicate the atmosphere (in normal times) or the pressure (in any times) of competitive matches. People in any line of work react/perform differently depending on the circumstances EXAMPLE: People may say JCH looks dis-interested or unfit, but given his injury problems/records, perhaps he isn't busting a gut. He is 1st choice, he knows it, we all know it, would any of us want him to get injured when it doesn't really matter? Jaakkola, probably number 1 in most people's minds. Coming back from an injury and probably rusty. you can't feel or describe how he might stretch a little bit more for a shot when it really matters. the last minute of a game when you are 1 up and 3 points are on the line Do we want Max Ehmer to crunch somebody in a friendly, just to show us he is the right man for that job? we played an extra 30 minutes the other day as agreed with the other team. what bearing does that have on a proper football match? It was mutually beneficial for both to give players minutes All well and good but that doesn't explain why FGR were up for the game and we didn't seem interested, at some point these players have to stand up and be counted, or we'll be looking for yet another manager soon. Do you think they'd have put in that type of performance for GC or Warnock? What were our pre season results last summer under GC? |
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Post by RD on Aug 24, 2020 11:55:32 GMT
I didn't watch the game so can't comment on what 'the performance' was actually like Now I have no idea whether BG has got any Plan B's or C's but if anyone is expecting him and the team to do something completely different in pre-season, when the whole point is he is trying to get players in and get the team to play the style he wants and I am not sure what to say. The whole point is, we will see if it works when it matters just want to check for all our lack of creativity, we scored 3 goals yeah That’s my point- if we are playing the style he wants right now then that doesn’t bode well for the future because it seems suspiciously like his style from last season that didn’t turn out to be too good. We might have scored three, but one was from a long ball (Garner was supposed to be getting us playing progressive football wasn’t he?) and one was a free kick, so not exactly commensurate with the sexy free flowing Garner philosophy that was sold to us when he first came in. As I said before, if he really is a long ball merchant in disguise then there is nothing wrong with that, I just wish we had begged Coughlan to stay in that case because at least Coughlan knew how to win games with it. It would be the worst of all worlds to have edged Coughlan out because people didn’t like the football only to end up with the poor man’s equivalent. Credit where credit is due, Garner is a superb salesman. He cant definitely talk the talk. I don't doubt that has played a very large part in enticing some of our new signings to the club (Westbrook for example). However, sooner or later he has to start walking the walk and backing all these claims up with results on the pitch. I think many of the earlier points about pre-season are all relevant. However, equally we've got a lot of new signings out on that pitch and - if it were me - I'd be eager to impress and show what I could do. That's why I think the remark about the lack of creativity is absolutely bang on and is extremely concerning IMO. It's one thing JCH and Jakkola not over doing it having just returned from injuries etc - that would make logical sense. But that doesn't really stack up for the new midfield signings. As I posted the other day, I accept these are pre-season friendlies and could be far below the standard we will actually see when the season starts. However, those of us worried are basing it on results under Garner to date. For that reason, I definitely don't think our fears are unreasonable or unfounded. Even if they do eventually transpire to be incorrect. Those refusing to acknowledge last season under BG are just burying their head in the sand and pinning everything on blind faith. They may well get rewarded for that. However, I do think the pro-Garner brigade should be far, far more understanding of those that are concerned - pre-season friendly or not. |
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 24, 2020 11:57:37 GMT
They have to start well as the knives our already out. Now I can understand some of that being base don the performances last season, but the pre-season games should be irrelevant in any thinking It's nice to win friendlies and play well, but they are that friendlies. you cannot replicate the atmosphere (in normal times) or the pressure (in any times) of competitive matches. People in any line of work react/perform differently depending on the circumstances EXAMPLE: People may say JCH looks dis-interested or unfit, but given his injury problems/records, perhaps he isn't busting a gut. He is 1st choice, he knows it, we all know it, would any of us want him to get injured when it doesn't really matter? Jaakkola, probably number 1 in most people's minds. Coming back from an injury and probably rusty. you can't feel or describe how he might stretch a little bit more for a shot when it really matters. the last minute of a game when you are 1 up and 3 points are on the line Do we want Max Ehmer to crunch somebody in a friendly, just to show us he is the right man for that job? we played an extra 30 minutes the other day as agreed with the other team. what bearing does that have on a proper football match? It was mutually beneficial for both to give players minutes That’s the thing, all those are perfectly valid examples, however I don’t see how you can explain the same insipid passing along the back line or our lack of creativity. Are our midfielders thinking “I better not play a killer forward pass here because it’s only a friendly and we need to keep our sick movez under our hat, I’ll play an uninspiring back pass instead”. People can make allowances for losing due to defenders not busting a gut to track their man etc but the lack of any sort of creativity and the persistence of the familiar drudgery of our attempts to create something of note are the reason people are concerned, not necessarily losing the game. Some of us want to see something completely different to the dross that was served up by Garner last season and so far the omens aren’t good. Most people on this forum wouldn't of even knew what the performance was like any other season, because they wouldn't of bothered going to this fixture. The only reason people did, was because it was streamed online for £5, and apparently it was sh*t and pretty much unwatchable. Teams lose in pre season it happens, Forest Green will probably be one of the promotion favourites in the division below. I couldn't care less about it. |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 24, 2020 11:59:21 GMT
Me neither. I dont dislike BG. I definitely dont want him to fail. I dont think Pre season is that big a deal. But..... I definitely havent seen anything to make me think BG is going to be a success and saying I'm worried about that doesnt make me negative or any less of a fan. I’ve not seen many posts expecting ‘success‘ - I don’t even know what success will be next season in what looks a really tough division. I just don’t see the point in all the doom and gloom on the back of preseason friendlies which are little more than training sessions. Never thought I’d say it but I think the number of people who seem so keen to write the manager off means playing behind closed doors for a month or two will be beneficial to the manager and the team. I sense there would be a pretty toxic atmosphere if we were not convincingly winning at half-time of the first home game. 10 years ago we played in a division that contained Norwich, Leeds, Millwall, Charlton, Huddersfield, Southampton, Brentford & Brighton - that was tough and we finished 11th. I thought that was a reasonably successful season considering the opposition |
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Post by baggins on Aug 24, 2020 12:07:02 GMT
I’ve not seen many posts expecting ‘success‘ - I don’t even know what success will be next season in what looks a really tough division. I just don’t see the point in all the doom and gloom on the back of preseason friendlies which are little more than training sessions. Never thought I’d say it but I think the number of people who seem so keen to write the manager off means playing behind closed doors for a month or two will be beneficial to the manager and the team. I sense there would be a pretty toxic atmosphere if we were not convincingly winning at half-time of the first home game. 10 years ago we played in a division that contained Norwich, Leeds, Millwall, Charlton, Huddersfield, Southampton, Brentford & Brighton - that was tough and we finished 11th. I thought that was a reasonably successful season considering the opposition Did we? Christ. |
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 24, 2020 12:12:16 GMT
10 years ago we played in a division that contained Norwich, Leeds, Millwall, Charlton, Huddersfield, Southampton, Brentford & Brighton - that was tough and we finished 11th. I thought that was a reasonably successful season considering the opposition Did we? Christ. Also had Forest and Leicester around that time, too. |
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Post by baggins on Aug 24, 2020 12:13:30 GMT
Also had Forest and Leicester around that time, too. Why aren't we in the Prem? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 14:30:26 GMT
Go to bottom of page and click on support center. I would suggest that emailing Tom Gorringe might be a bit more helpful than emailing a third party support centre. I've done both but yet to receive a reply. I have just been informed by Tom Gorringe that inplayer are offering me a free stream for the next friendly or my money back. If you don't ask, you don't get, hopefully you have received the same response. |
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 24, 2020 15:05:01 GMT
I would suggest that emailing Tom Gorringe might be a bit more helpful than emailing a third party support centre. I've done both but yet to receive a reply. I have just been informed by Tom Gorringe that inplayer are offering me a free stream for the next friendly or my money back. If you don't ask, you don't get, hopefully you have received the same response. Fair enough - The stream on Saturday was terrible and I suppose that anyone who wants to chase a refund could do so.
It would be good to know how the money is distributed for this. There were something like 350-370 people subscribed for this at £5 a go. If a fair proportion is going to the club, I'd personally think again about claiming a refund.
I'd just bear in mind that the Gascast lads are putting themselves out to do this. I'm guessing, but I'd imagine that they are paying their own expenses and doing this out of enthusiasm and not for any return. They've posted how difficult the conditions were for them to commentate on the game. Similarly, I'd suggest that the club / Tom Gorringe has got more important things to get on with.
I suppose it is like getting a poorly cooked meal. Some of us will complain, demand a replacement or refund and some will grin and bear it.
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Post by james246 on Aug 24, 2020 15:29:24 GMT
Agreed the streaming was hopeless - I would like to think that the £5 in its entirety goes to the two clubs
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Post by olskooltoteender on Aug 24, 2020 15:35:53 GMT
I don’t know why this seems to be so hard for people to grasp. Me neither. I dont dislike BG. I definitely dont want him to fail. I dont think Pre season is that big a deal. But..... I definitely havent seen anything to make me think BG is going to be a success and saying I'm worried about that doesnt make me negative or any less of a fan. This . . . |
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 24, 2020 16:11:04 GMT
Agreed the streaming was hopeless - I would like to think that the £5 in its entirety goes to the two clubs I'd assumed that (minus a handling fee for the internet host) and gave a shrug of my shoulders.
Having said that, If I found the money went to Forest Green entirely, I'd instantly demand a full refund after them shredding my ticket for the Conference play off semi-final  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 16:18:20 GMT
I have just been informed by Tom Gorringe that inplayer are offering me a free stream for the next friendly or my money back. If you don't ask, you don't get, hopefully you have received the same response. Fair enough - The stream on Saturday was terrible and I suppose that anyone who wants to chase a refund could do so.
It would be good to know how the money is distributed for this. There were something like 350-370 people subscribed for this at £5 a go. If a fair proportion is going to the club, I'd personally think again about claiming a refund.
I'd just bear in mind that the Gascast lads are putting themselves out to do this. I'm guessing, but I'd imagine that they are paying their own expenses and doing this out of enthusiasm and not for any return. They've posted how difficult the conditions were for them to commentate on the game. Similarly, I'd suggest that the club / Tom Gorringe has got more important things to get on with.
I suppose it is like getting a poorly cooked meal. Some of us will complain, demand a replacement or refund and some will grin and bear it.
Quite happy to accept the refund, after all I did not claim a refund on my ST and the club benefitted from that. |
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 24, 2020 16:36:22 GMT
Fair enough - The stream on Saturday was terrible and I suppose that anyone who wants to chase a refund could do so.
It would be good to know how the money is distributed for this. There were something like 350-370 people subscribed for this at £5 a go. If a fair proportion is going to the club, I'd personally think again about claiming a refund.
I'd just bear in mind that the Gascast lads are putting themselves out to do this. I'm guessing, but I'd imagine that they are paying their own expenses and doing this out of enthusiasm and not for any return. They've posted how difficult the conditions were for them to commentate on the game. Similarly, I'd suggest that the club / Tom Gorringe has got more important things to get on with.
I suppose it is like getting a poorly cooked meal. Some of us will complain, demand a replacement or refund and some will grin and bear it.
Quite happy to accept the refund, after all I did not claim a refund on my ST and the club benefitted from that. Like I say. It's your choice. I didn't bother. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 16:44:30 GMT
I would suggest that emailing Tom Gorringe might be a bit more helpful than emailing a third party support centre. I've done both but yet to receive a reply. I have just been informed by Tom Gorringe that inplayer are offering me a free stream for the next friendly or my money back. If you don't ask, you don't get, hopefully you have received the same response. Can’t we just re-play the FGR match? You never know we might even win and have a promotion guaranteed thread rather than the current “We’re doomed” threads! |
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Post by titchthephot on Aug 24, 2020 21:54:08 GMT
I wrote to Tom as well. I know it was nothing the club could have done about the poor quality broadcast but he obviously contacted InPlayer and they have given me a credit for tomorrow nights game against Cheltenham. I was pleasantly surprised that Tom found the time to reply to me on several occassions. I'm sure he's got a lot more important things to do but it's nice to know that the club takes our voices seriously.
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