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Post by Gastafari on Aug 23, 2020 21:08:48 GMT
What's the point of playing trialists against 8th tier opposition? It's not really a yardstick is it. If we did, and we won very game 5-0, you'd probably be saying oh, it was only Manor Farm or Brislington, anyway. Then when we lose by 1 goal to a team 1 Division below us in only our 3rd pre season game having not kicked a ball since March, people are still moaning and it's full of doom and gloom. How can you judge a trialist at all if, as Gaschat wisdom would have it, friendlies are only for fitness? Whose said friendlies were only just for fitness? I listed at least 5 other reasons why we have pre season friendlies. The results and performances are pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Most of us probably wouldn't of even bothered to go to the game had it been a normal pre season. I think most people moaning about the performance are just disgruntled because they paid a fiver for a sh*t stream
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Post by spiess1 on Aug 23, 2020 21:17:24 GMT
You can tell the importance of these games in the scheme of things by the players' reactions when they score....even the 'worldies' in the FGR match. Total indifference.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 23, 2020 21:23:12 GMT
You can tell the importance of these games in the scheme of things by the players' reactions when they score....even the 'worldies' in the FGR match. Total indifference. The Forest Green lads Free Kick will probably be one of the best he'll ever score, but it will never go down in the history books because it was a friendly played on a Sunday League pitch, hence the lack of celebration. JCH's was a beauty too, as was Josh Hares against Newport, again, it doesn't matter and will quickly be forgotten. They are friendly's, that have no bearing on the league season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2020 22:07:43 GMT
I don’t know why this seems to be so hard for people to grasp. Me neither. I dont dislike BG. I definitely dont want him to fail. I dont think Pre season is that big a deal. But..... I definitely havent seen anything to make me think BG is going to be a success and saying I'm worried about that doesnt make me negative or any less of a fan. I’ve not seen many posts expecting ‘success‘ - I don’t even know what success will be next season in what looks a really tough division. I just don’t see the point in all the doom and gloom on the back of preseason friendlies which are little more than training sessions. Never thought I’d say it but I think the number of people who seem so keen to write the manager off means playing behind closed doors for a month or two will be beneficial to the manager and the team. I sense there would be a pretty toxic atmosphere if we were not convincingly winning at half-time of the first home game.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 24, 2020 5:41:39 GMT
Me neither. I dont dislike BG. I definitely dont want him to fail. I dont think Pre season is that big a deal. But..... I definitely havent seen anything to make me think BG is going to be a success and saying I'm worried about that doesnt make me negative or any less of a fan. I’ve not seen many posts expecting ‘success‘ - I don’t even know what success will be next season in what looks a really tough division. I just don’t see the point in all the doom and gloom on the back of preseason friendlies which are little more than training sessions. Never thought I’d say it but I think the number of people who seem so keen to write the manager off means playing behind closed doors for a month or two will be beneficial to the manager and the team. I sense there would be a pretty toxic atmosphere if we were not convincingly winning at half-time of the first home game. You've not looked at the thread where people are predicting play off finishes and where the minimum target set is 10th? I'm just genuinely trying to be balanced here. I'm not keen to write the manager off, but as of yet I've seen little to make me feel particularly positive about him aside from what looks like some improvement in recruitment. I totally agree that playing behind closed doors will benefit BG and the team.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 24, 2020 7:45:18 GMT
Me neither. I dont dislike BG. I definitely dont want him to fail. I dont think Pre season is that big a deal. But..... I definitely havent seen anything to make me think BG is going to be a success and saying I'm worried about that doesnt make me negative or any less of a fan. I’ve not seen many posts expecting ‘success‘ - I don’t even know what success will be next season in what looks a really tough division. I just don’t see the point in all the doom and gloom on the back of preseason friendlies which are little more than training sessions. Never thought I’d say it but I think the number of people who seem so keen to write the manager off means playing behind closed doors for a month or two will be beneficial to the manager and the team. I sense there would be a pretty toxic atmosphere if we were not convincingly winning at half-time of the first home game. Have you seen the start the bus thread? gaschat.co.uk/thread/16583/ground-breaking-goal20 people think we’ll win or get autos. That’s almost 25%. There wasn’t even an option for not top ten. Honestly, I think that’s also why the atmosphere would have been hostile if there were supporters and things weren’t going our way.
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Post by james246 on Aug 24, 2020 8:22:04 GMT
You can tell the importance of these games in the scheme of things by the players' reactions when they score....even the 'worldies' in the FGR match. Total indifference. The Forest Green lads Free Kick will probably be one of the best he'll ever score, but it will never go down in the history books because it was a friendly played on a Sunday League pitch, hence the lack of celebration. JCH's was a beauty too, as was Josh Hares against Newport, again, it doesn't matter and will quickly be forgotten. They are friendly's, that have no bearing on the league season. Certainly the result has no bearing on the league season but as a measurable of performance ability (which is why these matches are played in the first place) it was grim, we let in four goals and OK three were cracking shots but on top of that we did not demonstrate much in any area of the field. We were inferior to FGR my more than the one goal margin.
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Post by blueridge on Aug 24, 2020 8:31:42 GMT
Unlike DC who had a poor pre-season a couple of years ago - BG has no ‘credits’ in the bank. His team has to hit ground running or the ‘knives’ will be out I’m sure. Comments like “ we were a bit fatigued” following the FGR match doesn’t much help.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 24, 2020 9:54:07 GMT
The Forest Green lads Free Kick will probably be one of the best he'll ever score, but it will never go down in the history books because it was a friendly played on a Sunday League pitch, hence the lack of celebration. JCH's was a beauty too, as was Josh Hares against Newport, again, it doesn't matter and will quickly be forgotten. They are friendly's, that have no bearing on the league season. Certainly the result has no bearing on the league season but as a measurable of performance ability (which is why these matches are played in the first place) it was grim, we let in four goals and OK three were cracking shots but on top of that we did not demonstrate much in any area of the field. We were inferior to FGR my more than the one goal margin. The same posters told us last season had no bearing on this season, now it's the pre-season games have no bearing, no doubt if we lose our first 3 games they'll also have no bearing as it was always a tough looking start. When do we accept BG's team has got to start putting in some decent performances/getting results?
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Post by bluebiro on Aug 24, 2020 10:34:04 GMT
Stockholm syndrome
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Post by baggins on Aug 24, 2020 10:52:02 GMT
Unlike DC who had a poor pre-season a couple of years ago - BG has no ‘credits’ in the bank. His team has to hit ground running or the ‘knives’ will be out I’m sure. Comments like “ we were a bit fatigued” following the FGR match doesn’t much help. Should be interesting considering the opening 3 games of the Season.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 24, 2020 10:53:37 GMT
Certainly the result has no bearing on the league season but as a measurable of performance ability (which is why these matches are played in the first place) it was grim, we let in four goals and OK three were cracking shots but on top of that we did not demonstrate much in any area of the field. We were inferior to FGR my more than the one goal margin. The same posters told us last season had no bearing on this season, now it's the pre-season games have no bearing, no doubt if we lose our first 3 games they'll also have no bearing as it was always a tough looking start. When do we accept BG's team has got to start putting in some decent performances/getting results? They have to start well as the knives our already out. Now I can understand some of that being base don the performances last season, but the pre-season games should be irrelevant in any thinking It's nice to win friendlies and play well, but they are that friendlies. you cannot replicate the atmosphere (in normal times) or the pressure (in any times) of competitive matches. People in any line of work react/perform differently depending on the circumstances EXAMPLE: People may say JCH looks dis-interested or unfit, but given his injury problems/records, perhaps he isn't busting a gut. He is 1st choice, he knows it, we all know it, would any of us want him to get injured when it doesn't really matter? Jaakkola, probably number 1 in most people's minds. Coming back from an injury and probably rusty. you can't feel or describe how he might stretch a little bit more for a shot when it really matters. the last minute of a game when you are 1 up and 3 points are on the line Do we want Max Ehmer to crunch somebody in a friendly, just to show us he is the right man for that job? we played an extra 30 minutes the other day as agreed with the other team. what bearing does that have on a proper football match? It was mutually beneficial for both to give players minutes
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Post by baggins on Aug 24, 2020 10:53:46 GMT
Certainly the result has no bearing on the league season but as a measurable of performance ability (which is why these matches are played in the first place) it was grim, we let in four goals and OK three were cracking shots but on top of that we did not demonstrate much in any area of the field. We were inferior to FGR my more than the one goal margin. The same posters told us last season had no bearing on this season, now it's the pre-season games have no bearing, no doubt if we lose our first 3 games they'll also have no bearing as it was always a tough looking start. When do we accept BG's team has got to start putting in some decent performances/getting results? Going to be tough considering most of them have never played in the same team in a league game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 10:56:49 GMT
Unlike DC who had a poor pre-season a couple of years ago - BG has no ‘credits’ in the bank. His team has to hit ground running or the ‘knives’ will be out I’m sure. Comments like “ we were a bit fatigued” following the FGR match doesn’t much help. It’s almost like last season never happened and Garner has a pristine managerial record unsullied by such treats as the defeat to the team that finished bottom of the entire football league. THAT’S why people are being negative- we just want to see some form of improvement in our approach and philosophy, is that too much to ask?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 24, 2020 11:05:21 GMT
The same posters told us last season had no bearing on this season, now it's the pre-season games have no bearing, no doubt if we lose our first 3 games they'll also have no bearing as it was always a tough looking start. When do we accept BG's team has got to start putting in some decent performances/getting results? They have to start well as the knives our already out. Now I can understand some of that being base don the performances last season, but the pre-season games should be irrelevant in any thinking It's nice to win friendlies and play well, but they are that friendlies. you cannot replicate the atmosphere (in normal times) or the pressure (in any times) of competitive matches. People in any line of work react/perform differently depending on the circumstances EXAMPLE: People may say JCH looks dis-interested or unfit, but given his injury problems/records, perhaps he isn't busting a gut. He is 1st choice, he knows it, we all know it, would any of us want him to get injured when it doesn't really matter? Jaakkola, probably number 1 in most people's minds. Coming back from an injury and probably rusty. you can't feel or describe how he might stretch a little bit more for a shot when it really matters. the last minute of a game when you are 1 up and 3 points are on the line Do we want Max Ehmer to crunch somebody in a friendly, just to show us he is the right man for that job? we played an extra 30 minutes the other day as agreed with the other team. what bearing does that have on a proper football match? It was mutually beneficial for both to give players minutes All well and good but that doesn't explain why FGR were up for the game and we didn't seem interested, at some point these players have to stand up and be counted, or we'll be looking for yet another manager soon. Do you think they'd have put in that type of performance for GC or Warnock?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 11:09:13 GMT
The same posters told us last season had no bearing on this season, now it's the pre-season games have no bearing, no doubt if we lose our first 3 games they'll also have no bearing as it was always a tough looking start. When do we accept BG's team has got to start putting in some decent performances/getting results? They have to start well as the knives our already out. Now I can understand some of that being base don the performances last season, but the pre-season games should be irrelevant in any thinking It's nice to win friendlies and play well, but they are that friendlies. you cannot replicate the atmosphere (in normal times) or the pressure (in any times) of competitive matches. People in any line of work react/perform differently depending on the circumstances EXAMPLE: People may say JCH looks dis-interested or unfit, but given his injury problems/records, perhaps he isn't busting a gut. He is 1st choice, he knows it, we all know it, would any of us want him to get injured when it doesn't really matter? Jaakkola, probably number 1 in most people's minds. Coming back from an injury and probably rusty. you can't feel or describe how he might stretch a little bit more for a shot when it really matters. the last minute of a game when you are 1 up and 3 points are on the line Do we want Max Ehmer to crunch somebody in a friendly, just to show us he is the right man for that job? we played an extra 30 minutes the other day as agreed with the other team. what bearing does that have on a proper football match? It was mutually beneficial for both to give players minutes That’s the thing, all those are perfectly valid examples, however I don’t see how you can explain the same insipid passing along the back line or our lack of creativity. Are our midfielders thinking “I better not play a killer forward pass here because it’s only a friendly and we need to keep our sick movez under our hat, I’ll play an uninspiring back pass instead”. People can make allowances for losing due to defenders not busting a gut to track their man etc but the lack of any sort of creativity and the persistence of the familiar drudgery of our attempts to create something of note are the reason people are concerned, not necessarily losing the game. Some of us want to see something completely different to the dross that was served up by Garner last season and so far the omens aren’t good.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 24, 2020 11:14:55 GMT
They have to start well as the knives our already out. Now I can understand some of that being base don the performances last season, but the pre-season games should be irrelevant in any thinking It's nice to win friendlies and play well, but they are that friendlies. you cannot replicate the atmosphere (in normal times) or the pressure (in any times) of competitive matches. People in any line of work react/perform differently depending on the circumstances EXAMPLE: People may say JCH looks dis-interested or unfit, but given his injury problems/records, perhaps he isn't busting a gut. He is 1st choice, he knows it, we all know it, would any of us want him to get injured when it doesn't really matter? Jaakkola, probably number 1 in most people's minds. Coming back from an injury and probably rusty. you can't feel or describe how he might stretch a little bit more for a shot when it really matters. the last minute of a game when you are 1 up and 3 points are on the line Do we want Max Ehmer to crunch somebody in a friendly, just to show us he is the right man for that job? we played an extra 30 minutes the other day as agreed with the other team. what bearing does that have on a proper football match? It was mutually beneficial for both to give players minutes That’s the thing, all those are perfectly valid examples, however I don’t see how you can explain the same insipid passing along the back line or our lack of creativity. Are our midfielders thinking “I better not play a killer forward pass here because it’s only a friendly and we need to keep our sick movez under our hat, I’ll play an uninspiring back pass instead”. People can make allowances for losing due to defenders not busting a gut to track their man etc but the lack of any sort of creativity and the persistence of the familiar drudgery of our attempts to create something of note are the reason people are concerned, not necessarily losing the game. Some of us want to see something completely different to the dross that was served up by Garner last season and so far the omens aren’t good. I didn't watch the game so can't comment on what 'the performance' was actually like Now I have no idea whether BG has got any Plan B's or C's but if anyone is expecting him and the team to do something completely different in pre-season, when the whole point is he is trying to get players in and get the team to play the style he wants and I am not sure what to say. The whole point is, we will see if it works when it matters just want to check for all our lack of creativity, we scored 3 goals yeah
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Post by baggins on Aug 24, 2020 11:16:29 GMT
They have to start well as the knives our already out. Now I can understand some of that being base don the performances last season, but the pre-season games should be irrelevant in any thinking It's nice to win friendlies and play well, but they are that friendlies. you cannot replicate the atmosphere (in normal times) or the pressure (in any times) of competitive matches. People in any line of work react/perform differently depending on the circumstances EXAMPLE: People may say JCH looks dis-interested or unfit, but given his injury problems/records, perhaps he isn't busting a gut. He is 1st choice, he knows it, we all know it, would any of us want him to get injured when it doesn't really matter? Jaakkola, probably number 1 in most people's minds. Coming back from an injury and probably rusty. you can't feel or describe how he might stretch a little bit more for a shot when it really matters. the last minute of a game when you are 1 up and 3 points are on the line Do we want Max Ehmer to crunch somebody in a friendly, just to show us he is the right man for that job? we played an extra 30 minutes the other day as agreed with the other team. what bearing does that have on a proper football match? It was mutually beneficial for both to give players minutes That’s the thing, all those are perfectly valid examples, however I don’t see how you can explain the same insipid passing along the back line or our lack of creativity. Are our midfielders thinking “I better not play a killer forward pass here because it’s only a friendly and we need to keep our sick movez under our hat, I’ll play an uninspiring back pass instead”. People can make allowances for losing due to defenders not busting a gut to track their man etc but the lack of any sort of creativity and the persistence of the familiar drudgery of our attempts to create something of note are the reason people are concerned, not necessarily losing the game. Some of us want to see something completely different to the dross that was served up by Garner last season and so far the omens aren’t good. Lost 1 out of 4.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 11:35:15 GMT
That’s the thing, all those are perfectly valid examples, however I don’t see how you can explain the same insipid passing along the back line or our lack of creativity. Are our midfielders thinking “I better not play a killer forward pass here because it’s only a friendly and we need to keep our sick movez under our hat, I’ll play an uninspiring back pass instead”. People can make allowances for losing due to defenders not busting a gut to track their man etc but the lack of any sort of creativity and the persistence of the familiar drudgery of our attempts to create something of note are the reason people are concerned, not necessarily losing the game. Some of us want to see something completely different to the dross that was served up by Garner last season and so far the omens aren’t good. I didn't watch the game so can't comment on what 'the performance' was actually like Now I have no idea whether BG has got any Plan B's or C's but if anyone is expecting him and the team to do something completely different in pre-season, when the whole point is he is trying to get players in and get the team to play the style he wants and I am not sure what to say. The whole point is, we will see if it works when it matters just want to check for all our lack of creativity, we scored 3 goals yeah That’s my point- if we are playing the style he wants right now then that doesn’t bode well for the future because it seems suspiciously like his style from last season that didn’t turn out to be too good. We might have scored three, but one was from a long ball (Garner was supposed to be getting us playing progressive football wasn’t he?) and one was a free kick, so not exactly commensurate with the sexy free flowing Garner philosophy that was sold to us when he first came in. As I said before, if he really is a long ball merchant in disguise then there is nothing wrong with that, I just wish we had begged Coughlan to stay in that case because at least Coughlan knew how to win games with it. It would be the worst of all worlds to have edged Coughlan out because people didn’t like the football only to end up with the poor man’s equivalent.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 24, 2020 11:51:15 GMT
The same posters told us last season had no bearing on this season, now it's the pre-season games have no bearing, no doubt if we lose our first 3 games they'll also have no bearing as it was always a tough looking start. When do we accept BG's team has got to start putting in some decent performances/getting results? They have to start well as the knives our already out. Now I can understand some of that being base don the performances last season, but the pre-season games should be irrelevant in any thinking It's nice to win friendlies and play well, but they are that friendlies. you cannot replicate the atmosphere (in normal times) or the pressure (in any times) of competitive matches. People in any line of work react/perform differently depending on the circumstances EXAMPLE: People may say JCH looks dis-interested or unfit, but given his injury problems/records, perhaps he isn't busting a gut. He is 1st choice, he knows it, we all know it, would any of us want him to get injured when it doesn't really matter? Jaakkola, probably number 1 in most people's minds. Coming back from an injury and probably rusty. you can't feel or describe how he might stretch a little bit more for a shot when it really matters. the last minute of a game when you are 1 up and 3 points are on the line Do we want Max Ehmer to crunch somebody in a friendly, just to show us he is the right man for that job? we played an extra 30 minutes the other day as agreed with the other team. what bearing does that have on a proper football match? It was mutually beneficial for both to give players minutes Exactly. People also seem to be forgetting that we haven't kicked a ball in a competitive match since March, 6 long months ago.
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