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Post by Gastafari on Sept 5, 2020 21:45:29 GMT
Scary thing is, they beat us comfortably without their first choice right back, 2 top scorers from last season and best player in Flynn Downes! You could say that they beat us without our 1st choice GK, top scorer from the last 2 seasons and no strikers of any note whatsoever! |
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Post by axegas on Sept 5, 2020 21:48:06 GMT
Yeah I'd agree, surely he knows that the difference between Ipswich and us was more than just a few misses on our part, they were a lot better than us today. Can't blame him from protecting his players but was expecting him to at least admit we were very poor. That’s why I struggle to like him as a man- he wouldn’t cop for anything last season and it’s the same now. He’s either watching a different game or full of excuses. He’d probably get a lot more goodwill from the fanbase if he fronted up and just said “that was bloody awful, I’m the coach, the buck stops with me and I’ll sort it out”. If and when he does get sacked he will no doubt walk away thinking he was hard done by because we never took our chances. I know you need a pretty robust ego in football but come on... For me a lot of the time in his interviews, I think Garner says one thing but really believes something else. Like his excuse about not taking our chances or about it being the first proper game since lockdown, I know Garner is clever enough to not believe some of things he comes up with but he says them anyway to protect his players and avoid criticism. I find it incredibly frustrating, especially after GC and DC who were always honest and blunt and a bit of a throwback to the Mcghee/Buckle era of interviews but then I suppose I don't judge a manager on their interview skills but what they deliver on the pitch. |
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Post by socrates on Sept 5, 2020 21:57:05 GMT
That’s why I struggle to like him as a man- he wouldn’t cop for anything last season and it’s the same now. He’s either watching a different game or full of excuses. He’d probably get a lot more goodwill from the fanbase if he fronted up and just said “that was bloody awful, I’m the coach, the buck stops with me and I’ll sort it out”. If and when he does get sacked he will no doubt walk away thinking he was hard done by because we never took our chances. I know you need a pretty robust ego in football but come on... For me a lot of the time in his interviews, I think Garner says one thing but really believes something else. Like his excuse about not taking our chances or about it being the first proper game since lockdown, I know Garner is clever enough to not believe some of things he comes up with but he says them anyway to protect his players and avoid criticism. I find it incredibly frustrating, especially after GC and DC who were always honest and blunt and a bit of a throwback to the Mcghee/Buckle era of interviews but then I suppose I don't judge a manager on their interview skills but what they deliver on the pitch. If I judged a manager on his interview skills I would have hated Coughlan , I always gave them a go pre match and post match but rarely made it to the end without switching off. I did however really like being in the mix for promotion to the championship and was gutted when he left. As I said earlier on another thread I think as a football supporter you don’t necessarily have to like a manager or a player personally to appreciate that they are doing a good job for your club. Garner talks the talk but so far he’s limping around completely unable to walk . |
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 5, 2020 22:08:26 GMT
For me a lot of the time in his interviews, I think Garner says one thing but really believes something else. Like his excuse about not taking our chances or about it being the first proper game since lockdown, I know Garner is clever enough to not believe some of things he comes up with but he says them anyway to protect his players and avoid criticism. I find it incredibly frustrating, especially after GC and DC who were always honest and blunt and a bit of a throwback to the Mcghee/Buckle era of interviews but then I suppose I don't judge a manager on their interview skills but what they deliver on the pitch. If I judged a manager on his interview skills I would have hated Coughlan , I always gave them a go pre match and post match but rarely made it to the end without switching off. I did however really like being in the mix for promotion to the championship and was gutted when he left. As I said earlier on another thread I think as a football supporter you don’t necessarily have to like a manager or a player personally to appreciate that they are doing a good job for your club. Garner talks the talk but so far he’s limping around completely unable to walk . I had no issue with GC whatsoever. He did a fantastic job, not only keeping us up, but also getting us upto 4th before Christmas last year. Plenty did though, there was plenty of vitriol aimed at him, just like there is towards BG now, even though we were winning games. I wouldn't be surprised if that was also a major factor for him jumping ship to a struggling team in the division below, regardless of him stating he wanted to be closer to Sheffield. He must of thought, f*ck em, bunch of ungrateful b*stards |
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 5, 2020 22:19:55 GMT
But I think reading this thread is more depressing than watching us today. Can’t disagree with some of this but there were some positives. ...Zain W, Sam N, looked comfortable on the ball and ZW was always looking for that forward ball. They will be very important players for us. Ipswich didn’t get too close to ZW, he was able to do most of our best stuff but he had no forward players to look up for. ...Cameron H tried his best and he never hid, he looked for the ball, made himself available. I hope he wasn’t taken off because he was the easiest and wouldn’t rock the boat. He has bundles of energy. He’ll get better. ... I don’t agree with all the stuff about Baldwin, I thought he looked the most comfortable CH on the ball and was able to play it out better than the other two. Not his best game but he’ll get better. ... Van Stappershof had a very good game, for a number two he has improved and was confident and made several very good saves. ... Ehmer started off poorly but he did get better. ... Upson when he came on made a difference as did Ayunga. Someone said at halftime we’d look better with those two on. They were right, we did look better. ... when Ayunga came on, although he didn’t play much better than the others it gave them something to worry about. We looked a better shape and we were more of a threat. ... Little looked comfortable on the ball and you could see what he was trying to do even if it didn’t always work. ... and despite being outplayed for long periods we did have 3 good chances and that Nicholson one in the first half would have made it 1-1 and things could have been very different. And goals change matches but not today! But ... Our wing backs were caught out of position too often and left the CHs exposed esp in the first half. ... Grant didn’t protect the defence and I’m glad Ogogo is still there although BG probably has a different opinion than me. ... JML looked lost in the first half, he wasn’t used to his best. ... At times we were bullied off the ball. The biggest worry is that BG seems able to do the coaching stuff but results are making it hard for many to be totally confident about his ability as a manage. I’ll keep supporting him but I hope he gives me some reason soon. Today wasn’t good but there were some positives, not many, but some. UTG! How does BG seem to be able to do the coaching stuff? Surely we wouldn’t concede such abject goals if our issue was simply that we couldn’t score because BG’s hands were tied in the transfer market? Our issues today seemed very much to do with coaching and that we simply don’t know how to defend the basics. Maybe we made a few decent passes so that’s a feather in Garner’s cap...but that doesn’t amount to a hill of beans when your side concedes three. We were totally outclassed today it seems so it’s hard to argue that at least the coaching isn’t a problem. It very much is, we just played a couple of friendlies that hid our deficiencies. Because he’s got an acceptable record at decent clubs of coaching and you can see how the players can play in decent spells. Our players looked fairly comfortable on the ball at times and you can see at times what he’s trying to do. What we can’t see is how he will succeed as a manager, how he will turn around his inability to create wins, how he changes the pattern of play when the pattern he starts with isn’t working. The system today without a real striker put the rest of the team under pressure and it played into Ipswich hands. We were outplayed today because of the system, not the individual skill levels. That’s more to do with being a manager rather than a coach imo. UTG! |
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Post by socrates on Sept 5, 2020 22:36:07 GMT
If I judged a manager on his interview skills I would have hated Coughlan , I always gave them a go pre match and post match but rarely made it to the end without switching off. I did however really like being in the mix for promotion to the championship and was gutted when he left. As I said earlier on another thread I think as a football supporter you don’t necessarily have to like a manager or a player personally to appreciate that they are doing a good job for your club. Garner talks the talk but so far he’s limping around completely unable to walk . I had no issue with GC whatsoever. He did a fantastic job, not only keeping us up, but also getting us upto 4th before Christmas last year. Plenty did though, there was plenty of vitriol aimed at him, just like there is towards BG now, even though we were winning games. I wouldn't be surprised if that was also a major factor for him jumping ship to a struggling team in the division below, regardless of him stating he wanted to be closer to Sheffield. He must of thought, f*ck em, bunch of ungrateful b*stards Wouldn’t blame him if he did think that, he was a heart on his sleeve kind of manager for us, and I think that typified his personality probably- family first, as it should be. Nothings ever made me feel more uncomfortable with our general fanbase than that time as a supporter, around half of the supporters on here moaned like f**k sbout him whilst he pulled us clear of relegation then got us to 4th in the league halfway through last season and then around half of our fanbase in here called him a lady garden or words to that effect when he left to be with his family. Not the Rovers way that I’ve grown up with.. Things have changed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 22:52:09 GMT
That’s why I struggle to like him as a man- he wouldn’t cop for anything last season and it’s the same now. He’s either watching a different game or full of excuses. He’d probably get a lot more goodwill from the fanbase if he fronted up and just said “that was bloody awful, I’m the coach, the buck stops with me and I’ll sort it out”. If and when he does get sacked he will no doubt walk away thinking he was hard done by because we never took our chances. I know you need a pretty robust ego in football but come on... For me a lot of the time in his interviews, I think Garner says one thing but really believes something else. Like his excuse about not taking our chances or about it being the first proper game since lockdown, I know Garner is clever enough to not believe some of things he comes up with but he says them anyway to protect his players and avoid criticism. I find it incredibly frustrating, especially after GC and DC who were always honest and blunt and a bit of a throwback to the Mcghee/Buckle era of interviews but then I suppose I don't judge a manager on their interview skills but what they deliver on the pitch. It could be kidology, but it’s a dangerous game to insult the fans intelligence because when you are not winning games they call for your head a lot quicker. Taking the blame both protects the players and shows some humility. Garner seems to try and blame things we know didn’t happen. He has blamed the weather at times hasn’t he? The impression he gives me is of a man who is so resolute in his own talent that it’s always everything else but him, his deflections seems authentic to me rather than a flimsy attempt to relieve pressure. |
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Post by Raj Gas on Sept 5, 2020 23:00:17 GMT
I find the set up of wing-backs and wingers in the same team strange. Surely the space left behind these players invites too much pressure on the defensive shape of our team.
From his interview he isn't going to change this so in that case I think he needs to get more experience and defensive quality in the team and in particular midfield.
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Post by yaz on Sept 5, 2020 23:10:14 GMT
I find the set up of wing-backs and wingers in the same team strange. Surely the space left behind these players invites too much pressure on the defensive shape of our team. From his interview he isn't going to change this so in that case I think he needs to get more experience and defensive quality in the team and in particular midfield. The whole formation, everywhere on the pitch was very weak and did not play together. As soon as we lost the ball, it was quite easy for Ipswich to carve through us with 2-3 balls or keep possession. Our midfield did not exist when we didn't have the ball? I watched Barrow play Derby before our game; Barrow managed their formations superbly throughout the whole game with Derby, I don't think having a single direct opportunity in the whole match? We should never play 3 only at the back AWAY! Reminds me of the Donny away game a few seasons back when we started off confidently with three strikers up front and got muller roaded ie. sent back home by being thrashed. UTG |
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Post by james246 on Sept 5, 2020 23:34:03 GMT
Well that was grim, if we are going to play a back three then one of them needs to be left footed. and Max needs to be the middle defender.
I think the two wing backs that played today were ineffective, I feel our two other wingbacks are better I am not sure why DT did not even figure on the bench.
Starting the match with no recognised striker was ridiculous when JA canon that side of our game was an improvement, but quite frankly we need two strikers on the pitch.
The managers post match interview didn't suggest any understanding of what happened on the pitch, perhaps for the rest of the season he should concentrate on game management and give no more post match interviews.
Two quality strikers need to be signed, I am not sure that is understood within the club.
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Post by pirate on Sept 5, 2020 23:35:26 GMT
Scary thing is, they beat us comfortably without their first choice right back, 2 top scorers from last season and best player in Flynn Downes! You could say that they beat us without our 1st choice GK, top scorer from the last 2 seasons and no strikers of any note whatsoever! We chose not to start with a striker and have had all summer to prepare and a week to recruit JCH's replacement knowing it was unlikely he was going to sign a new deal. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 23:50:42 GMT
I find the set up of wing-backs and wingers in the same team strange. Surely the space left behind these players invites too much pressure on the defensive shape of our team. From his interview he isn't going to change this so in that case I think he needs to get more experience and defensive quality in the team and in particular midfield. He might be trying to get an overload in wide positions when attacking,something sheff utd have done since wilder has been manager,liverpool do very well and we did it under DC with leadbitter/brown but with bodin playing right wing. What im saying is it can be done although not sure we can do it with the current squad. |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 6, 2020 0:13:51 GMT
Yeah I'd agree, surely he knows that the difference between Ipswich and us was more than just a few misses on our part, they were a lot better than us today. Can't blame him from protecting his players but was expecting him to at least admit we were very poor. That’s why I struggle to like him as a man- he wouldn’t cop for anything last season and it’s the same now. He’s either watching a different game or full of excuses. He’d probably get a lot more goodwill from the fanbase if he fronted up and just said “that was bloody awful, I’m the coach, the buck stops with me and I’ll sort it out”. If and when he does get sacked he will no doubt walk away thinking he was hard done by because we never took our chances. I know you need a pretty robust ego in football but come on... This . . . |
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Post by waffle09 on Sept 6, 2020 1:25:44 GMT
I find the set up of wing-backs and wingers in the same team strange. Surely the space left behind these players invites too much pressure on the defensive shape of our team. From his interview he isn't going to change this so in that case I think he needs to get more experience and defensive quality in the team and in particular midfield. The whole formation, everywhere on the pitch was very weak and did not play together. As soon as we lost the ball, it was quite easy for Ipswich to carve through us with 2-3 balls or keep possession. Our midfield did not exist when we didn't have the ball? I watched Barrow play Derby before our game; Barrow managed their formations superbly throughout the whole game with Derby, I don't think having a single direct opportunity in the whole match? We should never play 3 only at the back AWAY! Reminds me of the Donny away game a few seasons back when we started off confidently with three strikers up front and got muller roaded ie. sent back home by being thrashed. UTG [br ] I agree as I’m totally willing to give the bloke a chance with his new players but that formation today just had holes all over it. Ipswich just picked us apart playing into space even if we had a top striker it wouldn’t of made to much of a difference. If we’re going to play possession football we have to keep the ball a lot better as we move up the pitch and we need better runners off the ball but like I said willing to give them a chance. |
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Post by putterbishopston on Sept 6, 2020 4:47:23 GMT
I watched BG's post match interview with him biting and licking his lips, I felt a bit queazy, and then got the 'dust ourselves down' in the Ehmer interview!, and I truly felt unwell, we have heard 'the dust' so so many times we should consider a name change to Dustem Down F.C...or seek sponsorship from Dust Devil FFS!.
If only the Monied Wael MK2 came together at that precise moment when we had the full promotion momentum with DC's chargers?, or when Coughlan's Heroes were high flying, it's all about timing and Rovers suck at it, we generally appear to have a bad board/good manager or vice versa situation. (or just bad/bad).
What concern's me the most is that I actually believe that BG considers the squad to be strong enough, I get the impression from the lead up & post match interviews that he thinks we are ok up top!, I am not holding my breath for the signing of an established 20 goal a season striker, it just ain't gonna happen.
I have just forked out 140 quid for an ifollow overseas Season Pass, so doing my bit in way of support, luckily, I was unable to watch the Ipswich game due to overseas streaming rights.
Dreading the visit of Walsall and DC, they will be up for it, my confidence was wafer thin before the Ipswich game, and is now already in tatters, like quite a few others I guess.
Peace, Health & Hapiness to Gasheads all over the World...xx
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Post by pirate on Sept 6, 2020 5:48:32 GMT
I find the set up of wing-backs and wingers in the same team strange. Surely the space left behind these players invites too much pressure on the defensive shape of our team. From his interview he isn't going to change this so in that case I think he needs to get more experience and defensive quality in the team and in particular midfield. Little spends most of pre-season playing as a right sided CB and as soon as the competitive stuff starts he's played as a wing back. You couldn't make it up! |
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Post by althepirate on Sept 6, 2020 6:13:00 GMT
I had no issue with GC whatsoever. He did a fantastic job, not only keeping us up, but also getting us upto 4th before Christmas last year. Plenty did though, there was plenty of vitriol aimed at him, just like there is towards BG now, even though we were winning games. I wouldn't be surprised if that was also a major factor for him jumping ship to a struggling team in the division below, regardless of him stating he wanted to be closer to Sheffield. He must of thought, f*ck em, bunch of ungrateful b*stards Wouldn’t blame him if he did think that, he was a heart on his sleeve kind of manager for us, and I think that typified his personality probably- family first, as it should be. Nothings ever made me feel more uncomfortable with our general fanbase than that time as a supporter, around half of the supporters on here moaned like f**k sbout him whilst he pulled us clear of relegation then got us to 4th in the league halfway through last season and then around half of our fanbase in here called him a lady garden or words to that effect when he left to be with his family. Not the Rovers way that I’ve grown up with.. Things have changed. Yes exactly and since GC left they have got the opposite. This isn't a fashion business, but a results based one and up to now GC got the results and BG hasn't.That is a fact not an opinion. We all hope it will change of course we do. |
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Post by althepirate on Sept 6, 2020 6:25:58 GMT
Yeah I'd agree, surely he knows that the difference between Ipswich and us was more than just a few misses on our part, they were a lot better than us today. Can't blame him from protecting his players but was expecting him to at least admit we were very poor. That’s why I struggle to like him as a man- he wouldn’t cop for anything last season and it’s the same now. He’s either watching a different game or full of excuses. He’d probably get a lot more goodwill from the fanbase if he fronted up and just said “that was bloody awful, I’m the coach, the buck stops with me and I’ll sort it out”. If and when he does get sacked he will no doubt walk away thinking he was hard done by because we never took our chances. I know you need a pretty robust ego in football but come on... Mourinho's influence perhaps? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2020 6:45:27 GMT
I had no issue with GC whatsoever. He did a fantastic job, not only keeping us up, but also getting us upto 4th before Christmas last year. Plenty did though, there was plenty of vitriol aimed at him, just like there is towards BG now, even though we were winning games. I wouldn't be surprised if that was also a major factor for him jumping ship to a struggling team in the division below, regardless of him stating he wanted to be closer to Sheffield. He must of thought, f*ck em, bunch of ungrateful b*stards Wouldn’t blame him if he did think that, he was a heart on his sleeve kind of manager for us, and I think that typified his personality probably- family first, as it should be. Nothings ever made me feel more uncomfortable with our general fanbase than that time as a supporter, around half of the supporters on here moaned like f**k sbout him whilst he pulled us clear of relegation then got us to 4th in the league halfway through last season and then around half of our fanbase in here called him a lady garden or words to that effect when he left to be with his family. Not the Rovers way that I’ve grown up with.. Things have changed. I liked GC but I absolutely hated watching the football he served up. I watch football for enjoyment as well as for the result. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 6, 2020 7:54:16 GMT
If only the Monied Wael MK2 came together at that precise moment when we had the full promotion momentum with DC's chargers? It did and we brought in Bennett, Nichols, and Payne. |
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