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Post by althepirate on Sept 6, 2020 10:19:52 GMT
It means....we are grateful to the Mods for creating a place where we can express ourselves especially when we see dishonesty and hear BS. To be fair, I don't think many of the people who created it are still mods. I for one appreciate its creation and the time you and other Mods spend on here. I can't imagine it's easy. |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 6, 2020 10:23:49 GMT
Gotta say, as well as how vulnerable we were down the flanks yesterday with balls played around our back three, I’m not convinced Grant-Westbrooke is gonna cut it when it comes to winning the midfield battle. Early days for them here and both are very tidy & composed on the ball, but neither look particularly quick, strong or have the ‘legs’ that I’d want at least one of them to have if we’re only playing with those two in the middle. There were holes all over our midfield for Ipswich to pass it through yesterday and Grant & Westbrooke were getting pulled all over the place trying to recover possession - leaving huge gaps in the middle of the pitch. Hopefully the system can be tweaked on the training pitch to make us a more solid & robust outfit without the ball, but tbh I’d feel much more comfortable if we were playing a midfield three & had Hargreaves in there as well to provide some energy. ____________Jaakkola Little_____Ehmer____Kilgour____Kelly ______________Grant ______Westbrooke__Hargreaves ___Nicholson____New______JML If we played this way I would put Upson in for Hargreaves's. That would give us the experience needed in the middle of the park. Plus I think Upson plays well as one of the three. If we don't have a new striker by the Sunderland game, if he's fit I would start Daly in the middle. Yesterday there number 9 ran the channels and got in between our defenders. Only saw Daly a few times last season, but he looked like he could do that. Pre season he was played out wide, which didn't suit him then he was out with illness. So we didn't get to see him through the middle. Obviously we still need another striker, but I wouldn't mind to see him through the middle until then. Think Annsi would have stopped the first goal. Glad he will be back for the league games. Wouldn’t be against having Upson in there but Westbrooke & Grant played like they were running through treacle yesterday - at least you can guarantee with Cam that you’ll get plenty of energy & dynamism. Upson - Grant - Westbrooke is a very slow midfield three IMO. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 6, 2020 10:29:03 GMT
If we played this way I would put Upson in for Hargreaves's. That would give us the experience needed in the middle of the park. Plus I think Upson plays well as one of the three. If we don't have a new striker by the Sunderland game, if he's fit I would start Daly in the middle. Yesterday there number 9 ran the channels and got in between our defenders. Only saw Daly a few times last season, but he looked like he could do that. Pre season he was played out wide, which didn't suit him then he was out with illness. So we didn't get to see him through the middle. Obviously we still need another striker, but I wouldn't mind to see him through the middle until then. Think Annsi would have stopped the first goal. Glad he will be back for the league games. Wouldn’t be against having Upson in there but Westbrooke & Grant played like they were running through treacle yesterday - at least you can guarantee with Cam that you’ll get plenty of energy & dynamism. Upson - Grant - Westbrooke is a very slow midfield three IMO. They were left isolated. Lots of times one had to drop in to get the ball, leaving one player in the middle. 3 further forward who were all small, so not many options for them. Didn't think they were that slow though and Hargreaves played worse than the both of them. |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 6, 2020 10:33:30 GMT
Wouldn’t be against having Upson in there but Westbrooke & Grant played like they were running through treacle yesterday - at least you can guarantee with Cam that you’ll get plenty of energy & dynamism. Upson - Grant - Westbrooke is a very slow midfield three IMO. They were left isolated. Lots of times one had to drop in to get the ball, leaving one player in the middle. 3 further forward who were all small, so not many options for them. Didn't think they were that slow though and Hargreaves played worse than the both of them. You’re right, they were left isolated. Pulled all over the place without the ball and few options when on it. Hargreaves wasn’t great but has never been a No.10 - he’s got box-to-box midfielder written all over him. Coventry fans will tell you that Westbrooke’s main con is his lack of pace. Grant looks like he ambles around to me as well. Early days though. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2020 10:37:26 GMT
Never understood this "write off the first ten games of the season" business. There are only 46 league games a season. Ten games is more than a fifth of that. Over 20%. 30 possible points out of only 138 available. If you consider 50ish points is what is needed to stay up that's 60% of what you need, chucked away. If you consider 75ish points is the mark to get in the play offs that's 40% of what you need just binned. Football teams should be ready to play football at the start of the season not when half of your hoped for points tally has drifted by. So BG should be sacked now ? Should have been let go at the end of last season. He wasn't and now probably isn't the right time to sack him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 13:52:29 GMT
Meh who wanted a prem club at home anyway...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 13:57:33 GMT
Didnt renew this season for first time in 25 yrs, largely because i do not have any faith in Garner, covid helped me make my mind up though tbf. I really hope im proved wrong but i just dont see the hope, early days this season mind but if last was anything to go by then well....
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Post by GasAttacK on Sept 6, 2020 16:13:34 GMT
Midfield battle is the most interesting thing for me today, and with this system in general actually. If teams break quickly on us it’s often just going to be Westbrooke & Grant in the middle on their own, which could leave us quite open at times. Will be interesting to see how it goes. Gotta say, as well as how vulnerable we were down the flanks yesterday with balls played around our back three, I’m not convinced Grant-Westbrooke is gonna cut it when it comes to winning the midfield battle. Early days for them here and both are very tidy & composed on the ball, but neither look particularly quick, strong or have the ‘legs’ that I’d want at least one of them to have if we’re only playing with those two in the middle. There were holes all over our midfield for Ipswich to pass it through yesterday and Grant & Westbrooke were getting pulled all over the place trying to recover possession - leaving huge gaps in the middle of the pitch. Hopefully the system can be tweaked on the training pitch to make us a more solid & robust outfit without the ball, but tbh I’d feel much more comfortable if we were playing a midfield three & had Hargreaves in there as well to provide some energy. ____________Jaakkola Little_____Ehmer____Kilgour____Kelly ______________Grant ______Westbrooke__Hargreaves ___Nicholson____New______JML Agree with much of this.
Biggest concern for me wasn't that were failed to score or only had one shot on target, the most worrying apect of that performance was the defending.
We were never going to create countless chances away at Ipswich and we're looking to bring in 1 or 2 more forwards which will improve that department. However, we played what many would consider our strongest defence and midfield yesterday and they cut through with ease.
I also think 4-3-3 is the way forward and would go pretty much with the team you listed above. I'm not sure who I'd play in the full back positions and might replace Hargreaves with Upson for certain games but I think based on what I've seen so far - which I realise is just a few friendlies and a cup match - I think that system would work better.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 6, 2020 16:42:40 GMT
No offence, GA...
'I also think 4-3-3 is the way forward...'
Honestly, why?
When has it ever worked in this division?
DC, GC and now BG have tried, experimented, with several permutations with personnel, it just doesn't work. Especially at home. Too many times, teams push into us, physically muscle us out of our formation, and we are forced to revert to a 1 up front....which hasn't ever worked (anyone remember AFC Wimbledon at home early in season 2 years ago? They bullied us to change our approach).
Have I missed something?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 16:48:40 GMT
Cant complain about having the whole game free to watch on the new efl app mind! Boom!
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Post by justin blue on Sept 6, 2020 16:52:13 GMT
I don't think the lack of a goalscorer is the problem. The problem is we simply do not create enough scoring opportunities. Having JCH here who could fashion goals out of nothing really just masked the problem.
Ben Garner has said he wants the Team to play an attractive pressing game and though there was little evidence of that yesterday, it's early days with a fairly new squad so I'm willing to be patient for a bit longer.
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Post by LJG on Sept 6, 2020 17:13:12 GMT
Never understood this "write off the first ten games of the season" business. There are only 46 league games a season. Ten games is more than a fifth of that. Over 20%. 30 possible points out of only 138 available. If you consider 50ish points is what is needed to stay up that's 60% of what you need, chucked away. If you consider 75ish points is the mark to get in the play offs that's 40% of what you need just binned. Football teams should be ready to play football at the start of the season not when half of your hoped for points tally has drifted by. So BG should be sacked now ? No. Perhaps should have already gone. My point is more that it's actually perfectly legitimate to be annoyed at poor performances no matter how early in the season it is. Sacking ... call it 5 games in all competitions. That takes us to Doncaster. Only three league games - 9 points at risk and he will have had more than 20 games in charge. |
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Sept 6, 2020 21:03:58 GMT
So BG should be sacked now ? No. Perhaps should have already gone. My point is more that it's actually perfectly legitimate to be annoyed at poor performances no matter how early in the season it is. Sacking ... call it 5 games in all competitions. That takes us to Doncaster. Only three league games - 9 points at risk and he will have had more than 20 games in charge. I am not happy at the performance but it really has been only one competitive match with eith this new team. And all the noise created on here will not result in BG being fired for several games at least. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 21:04:15 GMT
I didn't watch, but I trust what many say in that it was a poor performance. Am I a little concerned? Yes. Am I panicking? No. I raised on here that I was concerned that it would take only 2 or 3 games for some to start kicking up a stink on here if we started poorly against some good sides. Turns out I was wrong. I should have been concerned that it would only take 1 game. I get that BG's record last season was dire, and I get that yesterdays performance was poor, but can people please keep their toys in the pram for a little longer!? It's like a bloody kids nursery on here sometimes. But there’s way more nuance to it than just “one bad game = Garner out” Do you think people would be so exasperated if we had only lost 1-0? Would we be so exasperated if Garner had won just three or four more games last season? Yesterday’s defeat didn’t happen in a vacuum but people seem to be trying to frame it as such to suit their optimistic agenda when there is currently waaaaay more tangible evidence stacked up against Garner than there is that the optimists are clinging to. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2020 21:05:23 GMT
Just watched the highlights again from yesterday. What was constantly doing us was the high press from us. Once Ipswich beat the high press and got in behind, our CBs were too slow to deal with the pace.
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Post by biggles on Sept 6, 2020 21:13:05 GMT
irene goodnight irene to give us all this hope then what.
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Post by socrates on Sept 6, 2020 22:27:17 GMT
Just watched the highlights again from yesterday. What was constantly doing us was the high press from us. Once Ipswich beat the high press and got in behind, our CBs were too slow to deal with the pace. Thing is GGMI I was saying exactly that after ten minutes and my Ipswich mate “couldn’t believe how high we were pressing with such slow central defenders “. - mine and his words exactly. We didn’t need to watch the highlights the following day. It was obvious all the match. So why didn’t he change things ? If we could see it after ten minutes and then I’d imagine many football people watching it could see it. Garner is a professional football coach trying his hand at management he should have seen it. And as for playing our best winger who’s 5 foot nothing as a lone target man what the hell is that all about ? |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 7, 2020 11:05:52 GMT
For the record, this is the longest matchday thread ever on here. The previous record was held by the 0-0 draw at Stevenage, that at the time was seen as the draw that would cost us promotion, but actually turned into the point that took us up.
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Post by spiess1 on Sept 7, 2020 11:56:07 GMT
Ah, but the original matchday threads started (seems strange now) om match days.
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Post by axegas on Sept 7, 2020 12:01:33 GMT
For the record, this is the longest matchday thread ever on here. The previous record was held by the 0-0 draw at Stevenage, that at the time was seen as the draw that would cost us promotion, but actually turned into the point that took us up. Yeah I went back and saw that as well. Was expecting the Dag and Red game to be the longest but for some reason we had two Matchday threads for it. Must be because no-one was actually at the game and were all sat at home watching it on laptops, TVs, IPads etc. |
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