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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 27, 2020 7:35:27 GMT
GGMI patience lad. This is a ridiculous time to be having a thread like this and the only reason I can see for running it is to say II told you so if it doesnt go well. For god sake get a grip we havent even had one League game and I honestly think that people on here are worse than those over the river. I never thought I would say that but at the present time I honestly feel it is true. So we haven't even got through the end of September. How you feeling now Steve?
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Post by pirate on Sept 27, 2020 7:39:39 GMT
GGMI patience lad. This is a ridiculous time to be having a thread like this and the only reason I can see for running it is to say II told you so if it doesnt go well. For god sake get a grip we havent even had one League game and I honestly think that people on here are worse than those over the river. I never thought I would say that but at the present time I honestly feel it is true. So we haven't even got through the end of September. How you feeling now Steve? "Long long season ahead which will end in relegation based on our complete record under Garner." - stevek192, Donny matchday thread
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 27, 2020 7:45:11 GMT
So we haven't even got through the end of September. How you feeling now Steve? "Long long season ahead which will end in relegation based on our complete record under Garner." - stevek192, Donny matchday thread Not so ridiculous after all then.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 27, 2020 7:59:11 GMT
"Long long season ahead which will end in relegation based on our complete record under Garner." - stevek192, Donny matchday thread Not so ridiculous after all then. Come on, nobody likes an I told you so. Can’t you accept the warm feeling inside that you were right about Garner without resorting to reminding everyone who challenged you?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 27, 2020 8:00:19 GMT
Not so ridiculous after all then. Come on, nobody likes an I told you so. Can’t you accept the warm feeling inside that you were right about Garner without resorting to reminding everyone who challenged you? Genuinely intrigued. Steve is a hardcore supporter and interested to hear his views.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 27, 2020 9:18:33 GMT
I'm one of those that thought BG deserved time with his own squad and part of me (called it blind faith if you like) still has that feeling. I felt yesterday that in general play we weren't bad, played some good stuff at times but were awful in our own box and lacked ideas in theirs. Having said that we were unfortunate with their 2nd goal and Hamer should have equalised for 2-2. However Northampton now becomes a massive game for him, we cant afford to defend set pieces as badly as we did yesterday. Hopefully Little or Hare will be fit as Kilgour is not a full back, 4231 or 4312 for me, hate to say must win for 4th game of season but to me it feels that way
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 9:29:29 GMT
GGMI patience lad. This is a ridiculous time to be having a thread like this and the only reason I can see for running it is to say II told you so if it doesnt go well. For god sake get a grip we havent even had one League game and I honestly think that people on here are worse than those over the river. I never thought I would say that but at the present time I honestly feel it is true. So we haven't even got through the end of September. How you feeling now Steve? You just want BG to fail don’t you? Hes probably feeling like me 🙁 but just hope Ben can turn this around quickly 😊
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Post by Gassy on Sept 27, 2020 9:29:40 GMT
Not so ridiculous after all then. Come on, nobody likes an I told you so. Can’t you accept the warm feeling inside that you were right about Garner without resorting to reminding everyone who challenged you? Being right on a scoreline is one thing, but 'calling it' on a manager who's already lost 90% of his games is hardly enough reason to come off giving it the big 'I got it right' routine. When you're a Bristol Rovers fan, as long as you call bad news at some point, you will always be right. Why else does Knowall call & consider himself to know so much? Because he only posts negative news that will eventually come true, because we're not Man City or Liverpool. It's not like GGMI called Garner a failure from the day he came in. Istr last season myself, RoverDrive eand gas365 were the first in the 'Garner out' camp, with many going against us at the time. That feeling eventually changed, but none of us went around calling up other posters to remind them that we thought it first. There also seems to be a strong misconception on here between wanting Garner gone & not believing we should fire him yet. For some posters, if you don't want him gone just yet then you must some how be a massive Ben supporter who deserves to be called up & called out after every single game. Hell, I even saw someone post about if you don't want Ben gone yet then you can't be a Rovers fan.
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Post by axegas on Sept 27, 2020 9:30:13 GMT
The sad thing is I can tell some are already starting to lose interest in the season and we are only 3 games into it. That’s partly down to having no attendances, which makes the games a little bit dead but also because there seems to be very little hope that we will go on and do anything this season which is sad, especially after the last 3 years of mediocrity and the air of optimism around the club during the summer.
Putting myself into the shoes of the owner instead of a fan, I don’t think Garner is getting sacked after three games this season. Purely because of the time and energy that’s been put in over the summer into this season and the hope when it’s your money on the line, that perhaps somehow the first three games were just against three very good teams and that things will improve.
If I was Wael, I’d treat the next three games against Northampton, Lincoln and Burton as a critical litmus test of the squad that Garners put together this season, at least two of those games are very winnable especially the home games. If we end up with less than 4 points from those three, then I’d seriously suggest Wael should review BG’s position at the very least.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 27, 2020 9:31:12 GMT
I'm one of those that thought BG deserved time with his own squad and part of me (called it blind faith if you like) still has that feeling. I felt yesterday that in general play we weren't bad, played some good stuff at times but were awful in our own box and lacked ideas in theirs. Having said that we were unfortunate with their 2nd goal and Hamer should have equalised for 2-2. However Northampton now becomes a massive game for him, we cant afford to defend set pieces as badly as we did yesterday. Hopefully Little or Hare will be fit as Kilgour is not a full back, 4231 or 4312 for me, hate to say must win for 4th game of season but to me it feels that way Completely agree with this post and we're on the same page. For me, anything but a win against Northampton and I think my patience will officially be done.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 27, 2020 10:18:03 GMT
Wonder where Wimborne gas is? In Wimborne? 🤭
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 27, 2020 10:25:09 GMT
It's 20+ matches?! With almost two transfer windows? Timmy Abraham, Ginnely anyone? These were HIS players. His opportunity. His squad. His formation. His substitute changes. His idea. His management style. His excuses. He's had a half season and he's still learning, but hasn't leant anything but blame everything else and not take responsibility. Delusional post.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 27, 2020 10:31:07 GMT
I'm one of those that thought BG deserved time with his own squad and part of me (called it blind faith if you like) still has that feeling. I felt yesterday that in general play we weren't bad, played some good stuff at times but were awful in our own box and lacked ideas in theirs. Having said that we were unfortunate with their 2nd goal and Hamer should have equalised for 2-2. However Northampton now becomes a massive game for him, we cant afford to defend set pieces as badly as we did yesterday. Hopefully Little or Hare will be fit as Kilgour is not a full back, 4231 or 4312 for me, hate to say must win for 4th game of season but to me it feels that way Thing is, WSA, you may be right with general play not too bad.... that's your opinion. I notice you didn't say 'good' though? But is general play not too bad enough? Enough to win games? Enough to make for a promotion push? Enough to stave off relegation? Enough to satisfy you, perhaps? We all have different criteria on how we view matches, but I would hope we can all agree that relegation is a no no in this climate for our club? If you don't, we are truly worlds apart. If you do agree, what after 20+ matches (most I've seen live at the venue) do you think suggests we won't get relegated with BG as it is now? I'm genuinely dying to know... ?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 27, 2020 10:34:20 GMT
It's 20+ matches?! With almost two transfer windows? Timmy Abraham, Ginnely anyone? These were HIS players. His opportunity. His squad. His formation. His substitute changes. His idea. His management style. His excuses. He's had a half season and he's still learning, but hasn't leant anything but blame everything else and not take responsibility. Delusional post. Garner has now been in charge of 19 league games, the same number as we’d played when Couglan left in December. Couglan’s record was; Won 10 Drew 4 Lost 5 Goals For 29 Goals Against 24 Points per game 1.79 Over 46 games would be 82 which always equals at least play offs. Garner’s record is; Won 2 Drew 6 Lost 11 Goals For 11 Goals Against 31 Points per game 0.63 Over 46 games would be 29 which always equals cut adrift at the bottom and relegated by March. Yet people want to give him more time!
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Sept 27, 2020 10:53:49 GMT
I'm one of those that thought BG deserved time with his own squad and part of me (called it blind faith if you like) still has that feeling. I felt yesterday that in general play we weren't bad, played some good stuff at times but were awful in our own box and lacked ideas in theirs. Having said that we were unfortunate with their 2nd goal and Hamer should have equalised for 2-2. However Northampton now becomes a massive game for him, we cant afford to defend set pieces as badly as we did yesterday. Hopefully Little or Hare will be fit as Kilgour is not a full back, 4231 or 4312 for me, hate to say must win for 4th game of season but to me it feels that way Thing is, WSA, you may be right with general play not too bad.... that's your opinion. I notice you didn't say 'good' though? But is general play not too bad enough? Enough to win games? Enough to make for a promotion push? Enough to stave off relegation? Enough to satisfy you, perhaps? We all have different criteria on how we view matches, but I would hope we can all agree that relegation is a no no in this climate for our club? If you don't, we are truly worlds apart. If you do agree, what after 20+ matches (most I've seen live at the venue) do you think suggests we won't get relegated with BG as it is now? I'm genuinely dying to know... ? Its absolutely not going to get us anywhere other than a relegation scrap so to answer your question no it doesn't satisfy me at all and you're 100% right that in the current climate relegation would be a disaster. If we carry on as we are we will be bottom 4 of that I have no doubt, my hope (and if I'm honest that's beginning to be all it is) was that with his own group of players BG would somehow turn it round. I think you'd agree that we've had a tough start fixtures wise and whilst I dont think we should ever go into any league game not believing we can win next week represents a chance to play one of the lesser fancied teams at home. That's the reason I think it's a must win for him, if we get turned over again I really cant see any way back and that's said with real disappointment.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 27, 2020 11:20:01 GMT
As BG is clearly a well regarded coach, and even seems to be liked by the players, I would personally be happy to see him remain at the club as a coach or even as an Assistant Manager. His results since he took over though have clearly pointed to the fact that he is not a manager. I reckon he could do a good job behind the scenes, but we need a manager to take charge of the tactics and motivation of the players. The fact that they're apparently looking great in training but it's not translating to match days can only be a failure of the management, surely? Individual mistakes can still creep in, but we have been dreadful in both boxes for the majority of his games as manager, which cannot be attributed solely to isolated individual mistakes.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 27, 2020 11:29:11 GMT
As BG is clearly a well regarded coach, and even seems to be liked by the players, I would personally be happy to see him remain at the club as a coach or even as an Assistant Manager. His results since he took over though have clearly pointed to the fact that he is not a manager. I reckon he could do a good job behind the scenes, but we need a manager to take charge of the tactics and motivation of the players. The fact that they're apparently looking great in training but it's not translating to match days can only be a failure of the management, surely? Individual mistakes can still creep in, but we have been dreadful in both boxes for the majority of his games as manager, which cannot be attributed solely to isolated individual mistakes. Whilst that would be potentially ideal it just doesn't happen in reality.
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 27, 2020 11:30:18 GMT
As BG is clearly a well regarded coach, and even seems to be liked by the players, I would personally be happy to see him remain at the club as a coach or even as an Assistant Manager. His results since he took over though have clearly pointed to the fact that he is not a manager. I reckon he could do a good job behind the scenes, but we need a manager to take charge of the tactics and motivation of the players. The fact that they're apparently looking great in training but it's not translating to match days can only be a failure of the management, surely? Individual mistakes can still creep in, but we have been dreadful in both boxes for the majority of his games as manager, which cannot be attributed solely to isolated individual mistakes. This was the same scenario as Paul Trollope, though I would say that he has had a better career than BG. Truth is, he has assembled a team with little expeience, without an experienced forward. I remeber when JCH left he said we dont neccesarily need a like for like player. He was wrong, to get in a short arse winger and play him up to was a big mistake. One of many
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Post by Qatar Gas on Sept 27, 2020 11:32:14 GMT
I did say he should be given October. No matter who was in charge we never would have expected to get too many points from the opening three games. However, with this poor start, coupled with results from the end of last season I do really see Saturdays game as a must win. The problem is, if we were to win, then the likely hood is we will not get anything from the next two away matches which puts us back to where we are now. There are eight games in October, if our win less run continues, we could already be cut adrift from the rest of the league by the end of the month!
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Post by Jomo on Sept 27, 2020 11:34:50 GMT
As BG is clearly a well regarded coach, and even seems to be liked by the players, I would personally be happy to see him remain at the club as a coach or even as an Assistant Manager. His results since he took over though have clearly pointed to the fact that he is not a manager. I reckon he could do a good job behind the scenes, but we need a manager to take charge of the tactics and motivation of the players. The fact that they're apparently looking great in training but it's not translating to match days can only be a failure of the management, surely? Individual mistakes can still creep in, but we have been dreadful in both boxes for the majority of his games as manager, which cannot be attributed solely to isolated individual mistakes. Whilst that would be potentially ideal it just doesn't happen in reality. You're probably right, but I seem to remember Yeovil did this back before they were promoted to the Championship, when Terry Skiverton returned to an Assistant role when they reappointed Gary Johnson? In the short term, that worked out really well for them. You could argue it worked too well, as ever since they got to the Championship they fortunes nosedived.
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