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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 21:12:13 GMT
To move away from the figures I posted earlier, for me, if you're going to sack a manager the next time he loses, he might as well be sacked now.He's also done absolutely nothing, quite literally nothing, to be given the extra 1,4 or 7 games mooted by others here. He's the worst manager in the history of Bristol Rovers, there is no precedent of anyone ever turning round a run like this. The only run that's even comparable over such a long stretch is the L2 Leyton Orient team in the 90s, who collapsed to finish 3rd bottom. They did beat Wales in the following pre-season in a friendly though, so if Giggsy needs a friendly match ahead of their fixtures in October, it could be just what we need. Problem is with this theory, is where does it stop? If you're going to sack a manager next month, why not now? And so on. Also, I'm not saying to sack him next time he loses, what if (by some miracle) we win 3 in a row? Do we sack him at the first defeat? No, of course not. Wael put a lot of money into this club during a global pandemic, off the field he's probably taken us the furthest we've been in a long, long time. For some reason, he believes in Ben a lot - I think we owe Wael to see Ben's team try their chances against one of the weakest teams in the division at home. We've faced teams who'll be at the top of the division, 2 of them away from home. Now is Ben's chance to prove he can at least make us a midtable team, by beating Northampton. If he can't do that, then f*ck it - all hope really is lost. It rather says it all that there are Sh1!heads on Otib desperate for us to win next week to paper over the cracks and keep Garner in a job. When your bitter neighbours want you to win that’s a good time to wake up and smell the coffee about the state we are in. So we should use their reactions on otib on when to fire our managers? I personally couldn't give a toss about them, or their opinions. They have a vested interest in seeing us lose, so when they hail our manager as the best one yet it speaks to where we are in the table: ie bottom. One thing is for sure, unless he turns things around drastically Garner will never have to buy his own drinks south of the river.
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Post by GasAttacK on Sept 27, 2020 21:24:03 GMT
It's 9 months since he took the job, we've signed 12 players and I'm still not sure what Garnerball is.
He wants to be a possession based team but in how many of his 24 games in charge have we bossed possession? More importantly, how much of our possession is in the attacking third?
I haven't got the stats to hand but I expect we rarely have more possession than the opposition and what we do have is primarily in in the middle or our defensive third.
We seem completely incapable of getting the ball from back to front and creating chances. It might not have been pretty but we had a method that worked under GC.
Our midfield offer no protection to the back 4 and absolutely no creativity or goal threat going forward.
To top it off he's also destroyed our defence which now look a complete shambles. Every game I expect us to concede at least 2 or 3.
Some fans raved about his signings this summer and on paper I admit a few looked very good. However, I haven't been impressed with any in the performances so far and would happily swap all of them for those we gave away.
I wish Wael would bite the bullet and sack him now because Saturday is a big game and I've got no confidence we can win it with BG in charge.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 27, 2020 22:40:11 GMT
I was going to post this when DC first left but GC did a good job I thought there would be no point.
What I was going to say is that in my time following Rovers we seemed to take a while and a few managers between each long term appointment.
Between Francis and Ward we had Dobson, Rofe and Allison plus Cross as a caretaker.
Between Holloway and Trollope we had Francis (second time), Thompson, Graydon and Atkins plus caretakers in Bater and Osman/Broadhurst.
Between Trollope and DC we had Penny, Buckle, McGee and Ward plus caretakers in Patterson and Campbell.
Even (after the Bert Tann era) during the late 60s, the 70s and the 80s we only had Bill Dodgin and Don Megson lasting longer than 2 seasons (Bobby Gould in two separate stints).
Ward (first time) to Ollie seemed an exception.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 22:45:23 GMT
It's 9 months since he took the job, we've signed 12 players and I'm still not sure what Garnerball is. He wants to be a possession based team but in how many of his 24 games in charge have we bossed possession? More importantly, how much of our possession is in the attacking third? I haven't got the stats to hand but I expect we rarely have more possession than the opposition and what we do have is primarily in in the middle or our defensive third. We seem completely incapable of getting the ball from back to front and creating chances. It might not have been pretty but we had a method that worked under GC. Our midfield offer no protection to the back 4 and absolutely no creativity or goal threat going forward. To top it off he's also destroyed our defence which now look a complete shambles. Every game I expect us to concede at least 2 or 3. Some fans raved about his signings this summer and on paper I admit a few looked very good. However, I haven't been impressed with any in the performances so far and would happily swap all of them for those we gave away. I wish Wael would bite the bullet and sack him now because Saturday is a big game and I've got no confidence we can win it with BG in charge. The shots on goal thing holds quite a lot of detail where the devil is hiding. For one, Coughlan’s hallmark was that his side would get a high number of shots on goal per game. Is it any coincidence we won a big number of games by trying to boss the shots statistic rather than the passing stats under him? Also BG’s reign has been fairly consistent so far, not only in terms of points dropped but in terms of the fact that we created sod all under him with last seasons players. Let him get his own players in we were told....and now he has his own team we still create nowt. For me, this is evidence of why changing the players will not change the fundamental issue of Garner being a poor manager and why having his own squad is not going to change as much as people think- Garnerball is based around not scoring goals because he can barely coach a team to even get a shot on target let alone a goal. As someone who thought Coughlan was a chancer I never thought I’d say this but I think I’d rather go back to last seasons punt and shoot approach with a load of committed journeymen than this insipid nonsense that requires us to attempt 20 passes just to achieve sod all.
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Post by Gasshole on Sept 28, 2020 0:58:15 GMT
Rest assured peeps, at some point this season he will be axed. After all Footy is a results business . Over the entire course of his tenure he has demonstrated an inability to gather points. 2 wins in 23 attempts says it all. 18 league games , 11 points from a possible 54, Atrocious. Goals for 11, against 31 Extrapolate that out to 28 points for the Season, Horrifying. No wins from 5 cup games, Abysmal. He’s going to need to pick up 12 more points minimum, in the next 9 games to save his skin. That will get us back on track to just stay up , by the skin of our teeth. Will he do it ? Personally I look to the past to help predict the future, so probably not.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 8:45:44 GMT
I'm so confused by your quoting, I'm not really sure how to reply Yes, apologies with quoting dynamics. I am a technophobe and poor with computers. On the Ipswich match day thread last week, a poster authored: "To a certain extent it was always going to be like this after two games. We all pretty much wrote off our chances of getting anything from Sunderland and Ipswich so of course, the performances become the most important thing. These can be interpreted in different ways...." Of which, my reply is there. 20th September if anyone cares to read.....(I don't, particularly). Not fussed about what you think tbh, but maybe some of your previous posts have jumped to conclusions without taking serious regards to important context. I'm sure there are some out there that wholeheartedly supported BG appointment warts and all.... I'm sure there are some that conversely wholeheartedly didn't support even before Wimbledon ball was kicked. I was in neither camp. The post logic is twisted to say I called for BG sacking. Please travel back and read my previous posts on that thread, please I invite you. Although, with hindsight that no one could forsee, it would have been a remarkably accurate call! .... unless of course we scrape an og or deflected scrappy goal and hold on for dear life v Cobblers!? Because obviously everything will be different. (Which is your prerogative). Cobblers would indeed be (imo) an accurate adjective.
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 28, 2020 9:22:19 GMT
Yep, I agree. Whilst the signs are currently ominous, we've gone through our entire rebuild this summer and lost the best striker in L1. Four games is not enough time for them to gel IMO but there has to be immediate improvement and wins on the board. See I'm not one to calling for a man's job, but anyone that is still in the BG has to stay camp is mad. I'm sure he is a nice fella and I wish him all the best in his future but he has not work out here and I can't connect with him as a person ( His interview yesterday was a disgrace and embarrassing ) and I have never wanted a manager gone more than him.First time I have ever called for one to go. This is a guy with NO PROVEN record of being a manager before us and his record with us is the worst in our history. If there were any signs of us improving I would say give him alittle more time, but we are shocking and he is not improving us and he has taken us from 4th in L1 to bottom of L1 in his 20 plus games here. I would give him one more game to be fair,and then unless we win that and follow that up with 3/4 more wins over the next 6/7 games after that he has to go.But I can't see how that would happen. If BG stats here for the season we will finish rock bottom of the league. I'm not saying I want him to stay - if the club announced today that he's gone then I think that'd be for the best - but I'm just saying there's a lot of variables that explain a slow start to the season. That said, performances have been dreadful and the penny needs to drop on that sooner rather than later. Why would Wael give him all the money and freedom to build his own squad this summer just to sack him after three league games?
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 28, 2020 9:26:47 GMT
Black and white. You are either good or bad at your job. This guy has taken bad to a new level
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 28, 2020 9:27:05 GMT
Black and white. You are either good or bad at your job. This guy has taken bad to a new level
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 9:28:14 GMT
See I'm not one to calling for a man's job, but anyone that is still in the BG has to stay camp is mad. I'm sure he is a nice fella and I wish him all the best in his future but he has not work out here and I can't connect with him as a person ( His interview yesterday was a disgrace and embarrassing ) and I have never wanted a manager gone more than him.First time I have ever called for one to go. This is a guy with NO PROVEN record of being a manager before us and his record with us is the worst in our history. If there were any signs of us improving I would say give him alittle more time, but we are shocking and he is not improving us and he has taken us from 4th in L1 to bottom of L1 in his 20 plus games here. I would give him one more game to be fair,and then unless we win that and follow that up with 3/4 more wins over the next 6/7 games after that he has to go.But I can't see how that would happen. If BG stats here for the season we will finish rock bottom of the league. Why would Wael give him all the money and freedom to build his own squad this summer just to sack him after three league games? Because after 3 league games and 2 cup matches, we haven't won or look like winning. That's on top of his own signings and squad up until March 10th. Which was (Sunderland apart) the same. But if it is done quickly, like now, we still have time in the transfer window to recruit players with a wiley manager with contacts.....
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Post by horfield on Sept 28, 2020 9:36:20 GMT
I was at Southend last March, we were dreadful, clueless, judging by Saturdays result we haven't learnt or improved in any areas. Some said best January window ever, Timmy Abraham and kegs on legs Barrett spring to mind, then we have a League top 6 or automatic promotion recruitment summer where the manager refers to one of the signings as been very humble and willing. People say we are only 3 games into the season, but Garner has managed the team for 23 games, thats half a season only 2 wins that says it all. It's like asking a hang glider pilot to fly Concorde, where's the start button Sooty
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Post by wilmslowgas on Sept 28, 2020 9:36:53 GMT
I suspect BG will be here for longer than most posters wish.
If he is dismissed, the remuneration costs to him and his superfluous staff will be considerable - even if Wael can afford it. I've got no idea on who would realistically replace him but the idea of keeping BG employed in a coaching role is pure fantasy. Any new manager would not want BG around.
I ran out of patience a long time ago. In fairness, I only expected a point from the opening three fixtures. I thought we would draw at home to Ipswich. Wrong again I suppose. Regardless of the single point, the most disappointing feature has been the lamentable football bordering on capitulation.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 9:42:42 GMT
I was at Southend last March, we were dreadful, clueless, judging by Saturdays result we haven't learnt or improved in any areas. Some said best January window ever, Timmy Abraham and kegs on legs Barrett spring to mind, then we have a League top 6 or automatic promotion recruitment summer where the manager refers to one of the signings as been very humble and willing. People say we are only 3 games into the season, but Garner has managed the team for 23 games, thats half a season only 2 wins that says it all. It's like asking a hang glider pilot to fly Concorde, where's the start button Sooty Hallelujah! Exactly this.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 28, 2020 9:56:44 GMT
It means exactly this. What else does it mean? No it doesn't. It can mean they want to give them another chance. It can mean their mind isn't made up yet. It can mean they believe they can improve. It can mean they don't believe 3 games is enough to make a decision. It can mean a lot of things. I want to give Ben 1 more chance to win against Northampton, does that mean I've written off the first 3 games? Think outside the box here, just because someone might have a different opinion on firing Garner, doesn't mean they're written everything off. When I spoke in my post about people writing off the first 3 games, I was referring to numerous posters on numerous threads who have said words to the effect of “I didn’t expect us to get anything from the first 3 games”. This is an oft-repeated Refrain and is pretty unambiguous. If I have time I will reference each and every one for you.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 28, 2020 10:01:14 GMT
I was at Southend last March, we were dreadful, clueless, judging by Saturdays result we haven't learnt or improved in any areas. Some said best January window ever, Timmy Abraham and kegs on legs Barrett spring to mind, then we have a League top 6 or automatic promotion recruitment summer where the manager refers to one of the signings as been very humble and willing. People say we are only 3 games into the season, but Garner has managed the team for 23 games, thats half a season only 2 wins that says it all. It's like asking a hang glider pilot to fly Concorde, where's the start button Sooty I'd suspect the hang glider pilot is more likely to take off as Concorde has been grounded for years 😉. Point taken though.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 10:03:32 GMT
No it doesn't. It can mean they want to give them another chance. It can mean their mind isn't made up yet. It can mean they believe they can improve. It can mean they don't believe 3 games is enough to make a decision. It can mean a lot of things. I want to give Ben 1 more chance to win against Northampton, does that mean I've written off the first 3 games? Think outside the box here, just because someone might have a different opinion on firing Garner, doesn't mean they're written everything off. When I spoke in my post about people writing off the first 3 games, I was referring to numerous posters on numerous threads who have said words to the effect of “I didn’t expect us to get anything from the first 3 games”. This is an oft-repeated Refrain and is pretty unambiguous. If I have time I will reference each and every one for you. There is another one fresh today, in the BG poll thread. I'm not into naming posters, but i think we know the rhetoric in the posts. It's a small point but an important one because it sets up a precedent that excuses are made ignoring just as relevant previous evidence (is 20+ matches already). I must admit I admire this sort of loyalty. It's admirable. It's the kind of stuff from family and close friends. Unfortunately, imo I think it's misguided.
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 28, 2020 16:06:30 GMT
I would have thought that his stint last season would have prepared him in terms of the type of players you need in league one, and the various tactics you need to be successful. I have been disappointed with both the tactics and some of the players. I just think he isn't learning. during a game has he changed tactics? And away at Doncaster surely it had to be a 4-4-1-1 formation?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 28, 2020 16:19:31 GMT
It's 9 months since he took the job, we've signed 12 players and I'm still not sure what Garnerball is. He wants to be a possession based team but in how many of his 24 games in charge have we bossed possession? More importantly, how much of our possession is in the attacking third? I haven't got the stats to hand but I expect we rarely have more possession than the opposition and what we do have is primarily in in the middle or our defensive third. We seem completely incapable of getting the ball from back to front and creating chances. It might not have been pretty but we had a method that worked under GC. Our midfield offer no protection to the back 4 and absolutely no creativity or goal threat going forward. To top it off he's also destroyed our defence which now look a complete shambles. Every game I expect us to concede at least 2 or 3. Some fans raved about his signings this summer and on paper I admit a few looked very good. However, I haven't been impressed with any in the performances so far and would happily swap all of them for those we gave away. I wish Wael would bite the bullet and sack him now because Saturday is a big game and I've got no confidence we can win it with BG in charge. The shots on goal thing holds quite a lot of detail where the devil is hiding. For one, Coughlan’s hallmark was that his side would get a high number of shots on goal per game. Is it any coincidence we won a big number of games by trying to boss the shots statistic rather than the passing stats under him? Also BG’s reign has been fairly consistent so far, not only in terms of points dropped but in terms of the fact that we created sod all under him with last seasons players. Let him get his own players in we were told....and now he has his own team we still create nowt. For me, this is evidence of why changing the players will not change the fundamental issue of Garner being a poor manager and why having his own squad is not going to change as much as people think- Garnerball is based around not scoring goals because he can barely coach a team to even get a shot on target let alone a goal. As someone who thought Coughlan was a chancer I never thought I’d say this but I think I’d rather go back to last seasons punt and shoot approach with a load of committed journeymen than this insipid nonsense that requires us to attempt 20 passes just to achieve sod all. But how many shots on target per game came from JCH rather than Nichols, Reilly and OC etc? GC got lucky when he signed JCH as nothing in his previous scoring record suggested he was going to be such a success, a bit like when we signed Lambert, to replace him with a striker from Bath's level and a player who averaged 1 shot a game last season is sheer madness. I guess Wael had the same views as you on GC problem is it takes decent money to produce a footballing side, Coventry apparently doubled Matt Godden's wages, not done on the cheap like Wael's trying.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 28, 2020 16:22:54 GMT
I guess Wael had the same views as you on GC problem is it takes decent money to produce a footballing side, Coventry apparently doubled Matt Godden's wages, not done on the cheap like Wael's trying. I suspect you might have double standards for what constitutes 'on the cheap'. For Wael it's costing him £20M, for you, it's probably 50p off a double-pack of chocolate digestives.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 28, 2020 16:33:17 GMT
The shots on goal thing holds quite a lot of detail where the devil is hiding. For one, Coughlan’s hallmark was that his side would get a high number of shots on goal per game. Is it any coincidence we won a big number of games by trying to boss the shots statistic rather than the passing stats under him? Also BG’s reign has been fairly consistent so far, not only in terms of points dropped but in terms of the fact that we created sod all under him with last seasons players. Let him get his own players in we were told....and now he has his own team we still create nowt. For me, this is evidence of why changing the players will not change the fundamental issue of Garner being a poor manager and why having his own squad is not going to change as much as people think- Garnerball is based around not scoring goals because he can barely coach a team to even get a shot on target let alone a goal. As someone who thought Coughlan was a chancer I never thought I’d say this but I think I’d rather go back to last seasons punt and shoot approach with a load of committed journeymen than this insipid nonsense that requires us to attempt 20 passes just to achieve sod all. But how many shots on target per game came from JCH rather than Nichols, Reilly and OC etc? GC got lucky when he signed JCH as nothing in his previous scoring record suggested he was going to be such a success, a bit like when we signed Lambert, to replace him with a striker from Bath's level and a player who averaged 1 shot a game last season is sheer madness. I guess Wael had the same views as you on GC problem is it takes decent money to produce a footballing side, Coventry apparently doubled Matt Godden's wages, not done on the cheap like Wael's trying. Apart from Lambert's 20+ goals the season before...
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