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Post by biggles on Sept 6, 2020 21:47:32 GMT
back in the late sixties we lost 4 nil to luton town and we still were crap
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 21:50:53 GMT
I think it's fair to say BG was brought in primarily for the reason Wael wanted the club to go in a completely different direction in regards to philosophy. It's no real surprise that the majority of the squad he inherited from last year are no longer here or not wanted, Craig, THD, Rollin, Ollie Clarke, Sercombe, Ogogo, Bennett, and now JCH. Surely he deserves time, especially a few league games this term, that's all i'm saying. I hope this is the philosophy the club has as a blueprint moving forward as well, so that even if BG does completely fail, the next guy can come in, and then the next guy etc, etc, without having complete overhauls of the squad everytime a manager goes. The Swansea, Brentford et al type of method Picking methods out of a hat is all well and good, in fact I worry that’s the crux of the issue with Garner. He has arrived at a philosophy and is working backwards in terms of how he is going to implement it when he has no experience of how to implement *any* sort of philosophy in a pro league setting. I’m not sure what experience Thomas Frank has, Martinez played the game to a decent standard. It all seems very much like Garner thinks this is all a lot easier than it actually is and the transition from blackboard to pitch is a gap he wasn’t ready for and is probably insurmountable at this point in his career.
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Post by titchthephot on Sept 6, 2020 22:02:28 GMT
I can just the teds (who love to look on our forum) having a bloody good laugh at the way we are talking. We have become no better than them when squeaky was their manager. Talk about a premature post....
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Post by biggles on Sept 6, 2020 22:09:32 GMT
when will we get it through our heads that this club will never get anywhere i am 75 and have seen good and bad times managers come and go bert tann bill dodgin,fred ford no buy no sell we are an average third division team thanks to the people that sold eastville stadium this season is going to be no better we have a manager who should have been a number two even at this level and i havent even started yet!
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Post by socrates on Sept 6, 2020 22:14:35 GMT
back in the late sixties we lost 4 nil to luton town and we still were crap Fond memories eh ?
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Post by biggles on Sept 6, 2020 22:22:54 GMT
memories you must be joking notts county went up on the coach for the evening match lost 4-0 hayes lost 1'0 leeds fa cup lost4-0 fond memories you must be joking
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 6, 2020 22:26:30 GMT
Cool. Poor performances last season dont count. Poor performances dont count in pre season. Poor performances dont count in cup games. I have lowered my standards accordingly. Cheers for clearing that up. I think it would probably be helpful for everyone if the s Garner Defence Committee could draw up a list of the fixtures in the first 20 that we CAN judge him on and pin it as a sticky to the top of the forum. I have a feeling I know how it will start off.... Ipswich A (league cup) - doesn’t count, cup game and a big team expected to challenge Walsall - H (league trophy) - doesn’t count, cup game Sunderland A (league) - doesn’t count, big team expected to challenge Ipswich H (league) - doesn’t count, big team expected to challenge Doncaster A (league) - doesn’t count, bogey ground. How about the rest? Clearly they all count and I don’t think anyone’s really saying that they don’t, more about keeping some perspective. As for the “Garner Defence Committee”! Please! He is judged all the time after each match and during the week, it’s just some are able to judge him without going OTT about it. If the results don’t improve he will be gone by the end of October. If he’s still here then the results will have improved. I hope he is but he needs some wins. Blimey, I can’t really believe I’ve answered this when we haven’t even had a league match yet. I know I’m probably in a very small minority but I could see some positives yesterday as I said on the match day thread. But in the end it will be about results and you may get your wish 365, BG is running out of time and he really does need a few wins. UTG!
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Post by socrates on Sept 6, 2020 22:37:00 GMT
memories you must be joking notts county went up on the coach for the evening match lost 4-0 hayes lost 1'0 leeds fa cup lost4-0 fond memories you must be joking We’ve been promoted and relegated both four times in my time supporting the Gas and I reckon it’s probably pretty even in your time too. For every shocking result theres a good one when you just go up and down through the 3 divisions ( and one year non league ) that’s just the way it is . Or glass half empty ?
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Post by biggles on Sept 6, 2020 22:40:41 GMT
after the signings that seemed to lift us what did we get sorry but this manager is not up to scratch
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 6, 2020 22:49:56 GMT
Truly he is the Kwisatz Haderach . . .
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Post by socrates on Sept 6, 2020 23:08:38 GMT
after the signings that seemed to lift us what did we get sorry but this manager is not up to scratch We don’t know yet do we we haven’t even played a league match , we’ve played one competitive game this season away to Ipswich. I don’t think Garner will turn his poor form around but not giving him at least a few games with all these new players to try and do it would be ridiculous. Or do you think we should sack him tomorrow ?
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Post by gas1888 on Sept 6, 2020 23:43:28 GMT
I haven’t read this thread so apologies if something is repeated. If you look at Coventry they we’re terrible a couple of years ago, since then with quality loan and permanent signings and maybe a decent manager they were by far the best team in league 1 last year. Our manager has had 1 game in charge with mostly his players, don’t get me wrong it was a very disappointing performance on Saturday but I would give him 10 games at least too see what his team can do # UTG
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 0:19:14 GMT
I can just the teds (who love to look on our forum) having a bloody good laugh at the way we are talking. We have become no better than them when squeaky was their manager. Talk about a premature post.... They are having a good laugh at our results, if not our discussion.
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 7, 2020 6:35:05 GMT
Cool. Poor performances last season dont count. Poor performances dont count in pre season. Poor performances dont count in cup games. I have lowered my standards accordingly. Cheers for clearing that up. I think it would probably be helpful for everyone if the s Garner Defence Committee could draw up a list of the fixtures in the first 20 that we CAN judge him on and pin it as a sticky to the top of the forum. I have a feeling I know how it will start off.... Ipswich A (league cup) - doesn’t count, cup game and a big team expected to challenge Walsall - H (league trophy) - doesn’t count, cup game Sunderland A (league) - doesn’t count, big team expected to challenge Ipswich H (league) - doesn’t count, big team expected to challenge Doncaster A (league) - doesn’t count, bogey ground. How about the rest? Battersea Dogs Home ( FA Cup ) Doesn`t count, promotion the priority.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 7, 2020 6:36:35 GMT
Why not give him till Xmas with his team he’s put together and how he wants them to play,else it’s starting all over again and back to square one Because we could be down by then. It's stupid to really be talking about replacing BG after no league games but as the OP said fact are facts. His win rate is 10% over 20 games and there are no signs of any improvement thus far. He has no charisma, personality, or passion about him that builds any relationship with us fans, and that sadly adds to the pressure on him. It may sound daft and I'm willing to give him to the 15 game Mark or so before I would call for him to go but this reaction by some fans isn't based on a cup game in Ipswich.
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Post by landrover on Sept 7, 2020 6:38:41 GMT
I haven’t read this thread so apologies if something is repeated. If you look at Coventry they we’re terrible a couple of years ago, since then with quality loan and permanent signings and maybe a decent manager they were by far the best team in league 1 last year. Our manager has had 1 game in charge with mostly his players, don’t get me wrong it was a very disappointing performance on Saturday but I would give him 10 games at least too see what his team can do # UTG Well, if I were Wael or Starnes I’d be bricking it with regards to Garner’s first 9 months in charge. His interviews are shocking and reveal a boy in a man’s game. As I and a few others said from the outset, he’s not up to it. I can imagine him now studying his iPad and his flip charts wondering where it went wrong. He is a typical football student, all theory. The game’s about heart and passion and ability, in that order. Talk of how other teams have succeeded is a nonsense. I’m no lover of Holloway but he might well have got us over the promotion line. The Board have **d up and sent us backwards. As Biggles said earlier, it was ever thus.
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Post by althepirate on Sept 7, 2020 6:53:37 GMT
I have a question for all those who have written off last season like it didn't exist. So a manager is appointed to a team in the top six. It seemed to me as though Ben ignored the players and the system and attitude played under GC completely and basically changed a winning side to a losing one. Was that sensible or intelligent? Don't you think a slow change to his style would have been better? This is what Ben is battling against now and why he has put pressure on himself. He has basically torn up GC's plan so it's understandable everything he does now is going to be the subject of major scrutiny. Lots of fans didn't like GC's style of play so will be looking to see a major shift in quality under Ben's leadership because if you rip something up you have to replace it with something that produces better results and a higher quality of football.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 7, 2020 7:13:31 GMT
I have a question for all those who have written off last season like it didn't exist. So a manager is appointed to a team in the top six. It seemed to me as though Ben ignored the players and the system and attitude played under GC completely and basically changed a winning side to a losing one. Was that sensible or intelligent? Don't you think a slow change to his style would have been better? This is what Ben is battling against now and why he has put pressure on himself. He has basically torn up GC's plan so it's understandable everything he does now is going to be the subject of major scrutiny. Lots of fans didn't like GC's style of play so will be looking to see a major shift in quality under Ben's leadership because if you rip something up you have to replace it with something that produces better results and a higher quality of football. Spot on Al. I also don't get this theory that we were over achieving when we were 4th under GC... GC turned a side that wasn't his players from a side bottom of L1 to a team 4th within a year.The same apples to BG but in the reverse.GC has proved himself as knowing what he was doing and being a manager,while BG has not shown anything so far. For me BG has 10 games or so to prove that he is more than just a good coach and wizzpot on the old Tippy Tappy that the kids call an IPad. I think Weal has been sucked into this modernization of the era of a the new coach which BG seems to be one.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 7, 2020 7:21:21 GMT
Cool. Poor performances last season dont count. Poor performances dont count in pre season. Poor performances dont count in cup games. I have lowered my standards accordingly. Cheers for clearing that up. I think it would probably be helpful for everyone if the s Garner Defence Committee could draw up a list of the fixtures in the first 20 that we CAN judge him on and pin it as a sticky to the top of the forum. I have a feeling I know how it will start off.... Ipswich A (league cup) - doesn’t count, cup game and a big team expected to challenge Walsall - H (league trophy) - doesn’t count, cup game Sunderland A (league) - doesn’t count, big team expected to challenge Ipswich H (league) - doesn’t count, big team expected to challenge Doncaster A (league) - doesn’t count, bogey ground. How about the rest? Also: Last 18 matches - doesn't count, clean slate. It's changing the narrative to suit the requirements..
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Post by madgas on Sept 7, 2020 7:33:14 GMT
I think it would probably be helpful for everyone if the s Garner Defence Committee could draw up a list of the fixtures in the first 20 that we CAN judge him on and pin it as a sticky to the top of the forum. I have a feeling I know how it will start off.... Ipswich A (league cup) - doesn’t count, cup game and a big team expected to challenge Walsall - H (league trophy) - doesn’t count, cup game Sunderland A (league) - doesn’t count, big team expected to challenge Ipswich H (league) - doesn’t count, big team expected to challenge Doncaster A (league) - doesn’t count, bogey ground. How about the rest? Also: Last 18 matches - doesn't count, clean slate. It's changing the narrative to suit the requirements.. I dont think it is changing the narrative at all. But theres a real element of stupidity from fans calling for his head now. Were literally just starting a season. Weve got a plan and that plan is lead by Ben and his structure. Yes, there was a case to get rid during lockdown but we didnt. Therefore we chose this plan, signed players around it and are committed. I'd suggest (baring dreadful results) 12 games would be the normal hallmark of reflection. I'm not sure that's unreasonable? But no doubt you wanna make out that I dont think last season counts... i think its others with the narrative they wish to write.
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