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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 22, 2020 16:24:33 GMT
Ah well if we find ourselves in the National league, at least we know someone who can get us back up!
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 22, 2020 16:26:08 GMT
The Negatives cant leave it alone-i guess the delusion and head in the sands relates to them-really need to get a life-GARNER IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE-Hopefully the negatives will go away soon when results change Yeah I too hope for the negatives to go away and I also hope results improve.I thought that's what we all want and if they don't ?
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 22, 2020 16:26:50 GMT
No doubt Saturdays excuse will be "Doncaster are a top team".
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Post by twertonboy on Sept 22, 2020 17:29:42 GMT
Usual poisonous short sighted morons on here calling for his head and embarrassingly still going on about we were 4th for a couple of weeks last season. He came in to a team of wrongful signings that managed to get some results mainly down to anssi and jch having blinding performances and a lot of luck and shocking football which was never sustainable and garner wants to play football, the sort of attractive football that is sustainable and the sort of football which would bring back the crowds to the mem which was on a big decline even when we were 4TH!!!! He’s brought in with his back room staff our best signings in a very long time on the plan of playing football and his experience of coaching in the premiership etc which previous managers wouldn’t have got over the line.. They need time to gel and if it takes 2 seasons to get play offs and long term gashead like myself or intelligent level headed gashead would bite their hand off. These idiots and it’s always the same ones on here with nothing better to do saying “how long do we give him?” We give him as long as the board gives him. These people are the cancer of modern day football fans. If it’s not instant (with the players he’s brought in) they think the more you say it on social media you have enough power to sack someone!!! It’s embarrassing. We aren’t Sunderland or Ipswich with big pockets and championship facilities and we’re so far off league one mid table for that. We haven’t got loads of money to buy Our way out of this league so we need to have a decent plan going forward which is buy young prospects and in a year of being together coach them to top 6 players. I wasn’t expecting a point from our first two games and we get one at Sunderland (but apparently that’s only because Sunderland we’re so bad according to the usual muppets on here), We lost to Ipswich, move on and get behind the team and see we have prospects playing for us and a manager trying to play the right way. I know these people won’t because that’s how their brains work but why not let the season progress before starting up such negative embarrassing threads such as this. Mate I hope that you’re not referring to me here as my OP is very much asking for patience and to back the team and BG as it’s far too early in my opinion to be talking about sacking and relegation etc. I have explained why I think we struggled after he came in last season and I do believe that whilst GC performed miracles in his time with us, there was a significant amount of luck - under his defence first, direct style of football we were predominantly under constant pressure and snuck wins due to our defensive resilience and the brilliance of JCH. I agree that I personally don’t think it was sustainable and we were just waiting to get caught out - as happened after he left. I believe now that BG has had the chance to bring in his own players we should give them the opportunity to gel and then look at what the results are. There have been snippets of what we are trying to do in the recent games but it’s not been consistent (and with strong, highly fancied teams would never be). I still have the optimism that it will come good and we will see this team improve, mature and start to get the results we crave but we have to give them the support and opportunity and be patient (hence my let’s see what the position is at the end of November). If nothing has improved then and we are struggling and flirting with relegation then maybe it’s time to reconsider as that would give someone new time to review the squad ahead of the Jan transfer window. I believe we will end up somewhere high mid table this season and our aim should be to target play offs next season with a decent, gelled and maturing team. People are entitled to disagree as that’s their opinion but I do think it’s premature to be talking about managerial changes only a few games into the season. I may be miles off but I think we will be getting 7-9 points out of our next 5 games and the picture will be completely different then. Look at Oxford and Portsmouth who have extremely strong squads and they haven’t got their expected results in their opening games!? Comparisons between us and City are not particularly relevant - look at the money they have ploughed in and the infrastructure they have? It’s like comparing apples and pears and we are years behind them in terms of getting the house in order... remember, they spent over a decade in league 1 despite the millions of Lansdown and its only recently that they have started to improve spending multi millions on players to buy themselves out of the league and to sustain themselves in the championship. We don’t have that financial clout and following the changes in FFP and salary caps, they football world is a very different place! We can have high expectations, but please - we need to be realistic. No I’m not referring to you mate, I’m on your page of thinking and it’s our opinion that’s all, I’m happy we have a plan and prospects
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Post by CrispPusher on Sept 22, 2020 17:32:03 GMT
Simple really win some bloody games and the knives won't be out. Only two wins from over two dozen competitive fixtures is bonkers!
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 22, 2020 17:59:59 GMT
I couldn't give a monkeys about Sunderland and Ipswich. I know more about my team and that we are sh1t under BG. Lowest shots on target for and against. We would finish bottom based on last season on both counts. We are getting relegated if we keep BG, Jaakkola is our only hope of staying up. Wake up and smell the coffee. B-b-b-but best summer’s recruitment ever!!1 It seems to me the same people banging on about the quality of the squad are the same ones who think we have no right to compete against the likes of Ipswich and Sunderland. They make it up as they go along, constantly lowering expectations and moving goalposts to make it as easy as possible for them to get behind the manager. I think we recruited pretty well in the summer and have a pretty strong squad but that remains to be seen. Perhaps not so strong regarding strikers but we’ve signed Hanlan and Ayunga so ... And I do think we have every right to challenge everyone in this league and I’ve never lowered my expectations so perhaps a bit of a blanket comment 365. Perhaps some have lowered expectations but many of us haven’t. My expectations are that we should be mid table at least though it’s hard to think at the moment. As ever a range of opinions about players, managers etc., that’s all it is. 😉 UTG!
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Post by socrates on Sept 22, 2020 18:27:03 GMT
What wateres me off as much as Garner being sh** so far is people still saying that Coughlan was lucky and wanted him gone after what he achieved. If Coughlan was lucky then that’s one hell of a run of luck. 12 months of consistent good results with the players showing complete understanding in what was required of them and them carrying it out really well over that time was just luck ? And then a completely inexperienced manager walks in rips it all apart over roughly half a seasons worth of games the players seem to have no idea of what to do and he deserves time and more players and at least we’re moving in the right direction regarding the football??! The last 9 months haven’t just been strange because of Covid they’ve been strange because of our support base and the way things have changed at our club. Too many been watching Man City on sky sports been hypnotised by Tika taka. This is league 1 and we’ve got a training ground coach with no league 1 experience in his first stint as a manager in league 1.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 22, 2020 18:36:01 GMT
What wateres me off as much as Garner being sh** so far is people still saying that Coughlan was lucky and wanted him gone after what he achieved. If Coughlan was lucky then that’s one hell of a run of luck. 12 months of consistent good results with the players showing complete understanding in what was required of them and them carrying it out really well over that time was just luck ? And then a completely inexperienced manager walks in rips it all apart over roughly half a seasons worth of games the players seem to have no idea of what to do and he deserves time and more players and at least we’re moving in the right direction regarding the football??! The last 9 months haven’t just been strange because of Covid they’ve been strange because of our support base and the way things have changed at our club. Too many been watching Man City on sky sports been hypnotised by Tika taka. This is league 1 and we’ve got a training ground coach with no league 1 experience in his first stint as a manager in league 1. Change the truth to suit the narrative, soc...? GC helped stave off relegation, and if anyone cares to remember took over as caretaker. No one had him pegged to take the role full time when we trawled up to Sunderland for his first match....some time later he proved his place with results and earned a 3 year contract. Much to the dismay of many! The parody is....BG earned a multiple year contract in absolutely no managerial proof whatsoever. And now after some time later is still here. Much to the dismay of many! We've literally made a U-turn, in league position and managerial appointment protocol.
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Sept 22, 2020 18:41:12 GMT
Mark Little said that things are good in training. Why would he lie?
We just need to win a few games and then anything can happen. Graham Coughlan didn’t have the best of starts, but when he left we were on a roll.
This might take a bit of time, but we need to keep believing. We get behind our team and whoever is in charge usually because we are faithful and true. UTG!
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Post by Qatar Gas on Sept 22, 2020 18:49:00 GMT
What wateres me off as much as Garner being sh** so far is people still saying that Coughlan was lucky and wanted him gone after what he achieved. If Coughlan was lucky then that’s one hell of a run of luck. 12 months of consistent good results with the players showing complete understanding in what was required of them and them carrying it out really well over that time was just luck ? And then a completely inexperienced manager walks in rips it all apart over roughly half a seasons worth of games the players seem to have no idea of what to do and he deserves time and more players and at least we’re moving in the right direction regarding the football??! The last 9 months haven’t just been strange because of Covid they’ve been strange because of our support base and the way things have changed at our club. Too many been watching Man City on sky sports been hypnotised by Tika taka. This is league 1 and we’ve got a training ground coach with no league 1 experience in his first stint as a manager in league 1. Change the truth to suit the narrative, soc...? GC helped stave off relegation, and if anyone cares to remember took over as caretaker. No one had him pegged to take the role full time when we trawled up to Sunderland for his first match....some time later he proved his place with results and earned a 3 year contract. Much to the dismay of many! The parody is....BG earned a multiple year contract in absolutely no managerial proof whatsoever. And now after some time later is still here. Much to the dismay of many! We've literally made a U-turn, in league position and managerial appointment protocol. We’ve got a pretty good record when it comes to recruiting managers within. Trollope, DC, GC etc. Pretty much every time we’ve appointed a new manager it’s because we are struggling and in desperate need of change. This was a complete different case with a manger leaving when we were doing well. Therefore this would have been the perfect opportunity to promote from within again. The caretakers would most likely have played the same way. It would have been a no loose situation. If it didn’t work out then we could have gone looking for a new manager in the summer.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 22, 2020 19:02:44 GMT
Totally agree with Qatar..^^^^^
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 22, 2020 19:03:14 GMT
Mark Little said that things are good in training. Why would he lie? We just need to win a few games and then anything can happen. Graham Coughlan didn’t have the best of starts, but when he left we were on a roll. This might take a bit of time, but we need to keep believing. We get behind our team and whoever is in charge usually because we are faithful and true. UTG! Coughlan had a great start, what ya talking about Willis?!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 22, 2020 19:05:22 GMT
Mark Little said that things are good in training. Why would he lie? We just need to win a few games and then anything can happen. Graham Coughlan didn’t have the best of starts, but when he left we were on a roll. This might take a bit of time, but we need to keep believing. We get behind our team and whoever is in charge usually because we are faithful and true. UTG! GC won more than 2 games in his first 20 starts! This isn't a start for BG, it's half a season in with 20+ competitive matches..
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Post by heartofgas on Sept 22, 2020 19:40:03 GMT
Just a bit of stato analysis that highlights our current plight. Under DC when we were doing well we were averaging about one and a half goals per game. Even when DC lost it he was still averaging a goal a game. Under GC we were averaging a goal a game. Under Garner we are averaging a goal every two games. We need to start scoring goals. Incidentally since we were promoted from the conference we have only scored more than four goals in a game twice and it was against the same team. Without googling name the team.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 22, 2020 19:41:31 GMT
Northampton
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 22, 2020 19:47:45 GMT
Yeah I too hope for the negatives to go away and I also hope results improve.I thought that's what we all want and if they don't ? If results don't change Garner will be sacked.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 22, 2020 19:48:19 GMT
Mark Little said that things are good in training. Why would he lie? We just need to win a few games and then anything can happen. Graham Coughlan didn’t have the best of starts, but when he left we were on a roll. This might take a bit of time, but we need to keep believing. We get behind our team and whoever is in charge usually because we are faithful and true. UTG! He’s not going to say it’s sh** is he?
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 22, 2020 19:51:01 GMT
Under Garner we are averaging a goal every two games. We need to start scoring goals. Kinda helps if you play a recognised striker, then? (Ipswich away, anyone?).. Or maybe, two?
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Post by blueridge on Sept 22, 2020 19:59:26 GMT
Just a bit of stato analysis that highlights our current plight. Under DC when we were doing well we were averaging about one and a half goals per game. Even when DC lost it he was still averaging a goal a game. Under GC we were averaging a goal a game. Under Garner we are averaging a goal every two games. We need to start scoring goals. Incidentally since we were promoted from the conference we have only scored more than four goals in a game twice and it was against the same team. Without googling name the team. 18 league games under BG - 10 goals and 11 Pts. Attacking, pretty to watch football?
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Post by yaz on Sept 22, 2020 20:07:48 GMT
I made the same point as Qatar appointing in house in order not to change things. Personally, I couldn’t care less who the manager is as long as there is no risk of relegation. We just made it out of the Conference and had a lucky last day to get out of L2? Pretty football can wait until the Championship if not the Premier League. And as long as the players play together and give it their all, the fans will be behind the manager. GC had a tough time starting but won the fans over! There is a saying: I would rather be lucky than good! Ask Wycombe supporters how they feel about being promoted with the type of football they play? I bet most say Promotion.
When one builds, one needs a strong base. That applies to management as well as players.
I hope we do well. But the signs are not good so far. Maybe it will take time.
As far as forwards are concerned, Ayunga looks a good prospect; he looks to be of the JCH mould as he works hard, has control and a good shot. I would prefer him to Hanlan but he needs another player up front with him. If we give the manager a chance, we need to give him a chance and a run. We never gave Broom, Telford a chance so .....
The Rule of 6 is now in place!!! Not good news I fear for us?
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