|
Post by Topper Gas on Oct 12, 2020 17:21:45 GMT
I’m intrigued to see how many more times Hanlan will find the net before the months end. Many talk of still needing to replace JCH with a ‘natural goal scorer’. For me this won’t be required if Brandan can continue his form and really hit a purple patch in front of goal. One thing is for sure, he is by far a superior all round footballer to JCH, with the work rate to match. You’re comparing a striker who has yet to score from anything other than a penalty with a guy who could hit them from 30 yards out of nothing. He might be decent in the other areas of centre forward play but based on our games so far this season we’ll need a lot of pens for Hanlan to compete with the void JCH has left in our goalscoring stats. But you were never a fan of the manager who signed him?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 17:43:32 GMT
You’re comparing a striker who has yet to score from anything other than a penalty with a guy who could hit them from 30 yards out of nothing. He might be decent in the other areas of centre forward play but based on our games so far this season we’ll need a lot of pens for Hanlan to compete with the void JCH has left in our goalscoring stats. But you were never a fan of the manager who signed him? Coughlan was starting to win me over and I was about to put my hands up and admit that his approach wasn’t built on foundations of sand like I first thought when he walked out. As it was I said he would struggle to recreate his success elsewhere and I’m being proved right on that front. Coughlan will regret the day he left Rovers. He’s blown his big managerial break imo.
|
|
|
Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 12, 2020 18:00:54 GMT
But you were never a fan of the manager who signed him? Coughlan will regret the day he left Rovers. He’s blown his big managerial break imo. Exactly this. Sometimes the Grass isn't greener, and for GC it might be going up in smoke...ahem!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 18:44:49 GMT
Coughlan will regret the day he left Rovers. He’s blown his big managerial break imo. Exactly this. Sometimes the Grass isn't greener, and for GC it might be going up in smoke...ahem! I don’t think he was here long enough to make a name for himself, if he fails at Mansfield that will stick to him and define him. He’ll be back on defensive coach duties for an EFL side before long imo.
|
|
|
Post by Hudson1883 on Oct 12, 2020 19:59:21 GMT
I’m intrigued to see how many more times Hanlan will find the net before the months end. Many talk of still needing to replace JCH with a ‘natural goal scorer’. For me this won’t be required if Brandan can continue his form and really hit a purple patch in front of goal. One thing is for sure, he is by far a superior all round footballer to JCH, with the work rate to match. You’re comparing a striker who has yet to score from anything other than a penalty with a guy who could hit them from 30 yards out of nothing. He might be decent in the other areas of centre forward play but based on our games so far this season we’ll need a lot of pens for Hanlan to compete with the void JCH has left in our goalscoring stats. Hit them from 30 yards out and do not a lot else, besides flap his arms and b****ck his team mates for no apparent reason. As stated, Hanlan just needs to start finding the net on the regular and he who wanted to be the star of the show will be quickly forgotten.
|
|
|
Post by oldgas on Oct 12, 2020 20:06:48 GMT
Exactly this. Sometimes the Grass isn't greener, and for GC it might be going up in smoke...ahem! I don’t think he was here long enough to make a name for himself, if he fails at Mansfield that will stick to him and define him. He’ll be back on defensive coach duties for an EFL side before long imo. Good, it would serve him right the two-faced shitbag.
|
|
|
Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 12, 2020 20:12:52 GMT
I don’t think he was here long enough to make a name for himself, if he fails at Mansfield that will stick to him and define him. He’ll be back on defensive coach duties for an EFL side before long imo. Good, it would serve him right the two-faced shitbag. Please don't sit on the fence with your opinions!
|
|
|
Post by oldgas on Oct 12, 2020 20:13:00 GMT
Graham Alexander sacked from Salford. He only won 7 of his last 20 games last season following promotion from the conference meaning They missed out on the play offs. They are also unbeaten this season with 2 wins and 3 draws and sit 5th in the league. Puts a few things into context doesn’t it. They’ve probably got a big name lined up and have been waving the cheque book around.
|
|
|
Post by yetigas on Oct 12, 2020 21:21:13 GMT
I do hope you are not going to come on here with your anti-BG agenda every time that happens - it gets tedious! A fair post, the CV qualifications point works both ways, of course it does. I think I'm objective in my posts. I say what I see, sometimes it's popular, sometimes not, but it's just how I see it. Your post chooses to box me in anti-BG agenda, and to some extent I can see why. From my pov it's either lazy or ignited something in you which doesn't take in all of what I've posted. For instance, early in BG reign I gave credit for actually trying TN and making it apparent his type of football wasn't required, and subsequently helped him find a different career path.... something I had previously posted under DC (and possibly contributed to his Gas demise) and GC as criticism. And there have been others, including credit given Northampton and Lincoln matches. But....like I have pointed out before, you can't ignore BG statistics. It's the worst managerial stats in our history. BG has had time, 25 matches and brought in his own staff and now almost two whole transfer windows. It's relegation form. I find that tedious, so it should be highlighted. Folk reset the clock as they like, I'm just saying his record is dire and not good enough. And it's offset by some bizarre excuses that every club and team face intermittently....which kinda insults my intelligence when I was at Southend. I think it's a fair question to ask what would make me back BG. That's a question expanded to everyone, because we're all in different places on this. For me, he took over a team with excellent team spirit, never say die attitude that was 'tedious' to watch. But, we were 4th. If BG can hit the position at least where took the reigns, then I will have no argument that he has brought us up to the standard where we were. I think that's fair enough. You and others may disagree, great, that's what the forum should be about, no matter how tedious... Sorry but I don't try and remember everything that posters post - just get a general impression over time...and I think my impression is pretty accurate! The problem with managerial statistics is that it takes a long time to change a win ratio to something decent. BG could win the next 5 matches on the bounce and if you are in the anti-BG camp you can still roll out his win ratio since his appointment and argue he is a poor manager. But on the other hand you could see it as an evolving project where the building blocks were put in place, patience was shown, good coaching is in place and the rewards are now being reaped. It won't surprise you to learn I am in the latter camp - it seems to me you are pretty determined to stay in the former - you are even arguing he is 'lucky' that Hare replaced Little (that was you wasn't it? I cant be bothered to check) - but I seem to remember Hare was injured earlier on, so perhaps it was a case of him coming back from fitness. I have a sneaky feeling that BG might just know his players better than you do!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 21:48:39 GMT
You’re comparing a striker who has yet to score from anything other than a penalty with a guy who could hit them from 30 yards out of nothing. He might be decent in the other areas of centre forward play but based on our games so far this season we’ll need a lot of pens for Hanlan to compete with the void JCH has left in our goalscoring stats. Hit them from 30 yards out and do not a lot else, besides flap his arms and b****ck his team mates for no apparent reason. As stated, Hanlan just needs to start finding the net on the regular and he who wanted to be the star of the show will be quickly forgotten. Does his body language and general demeanour reduce his value to the team? It’s simplistic to say yes but at the end of the day goals are biggest currency in football and if you buy a striker it’s usually because you want them to score as many goals as possible. If Hanlan fails to find the net but still produces the best from others then all well and good but I doubt he would be sold for anywhere the amount of JCH. The last two games have suggested that things are going in the right direction finally but given our goals on paper I’m going to take more convincing that we can score the number of goals we will need to and as others have pointed out we are historically a club that tends to have a problem replacing high scoring strikers in the short term.
|
|
|
Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 13, 2020 4:34:18 GMT
A fair post, the CV qualifications point works both ways, of course it does. I think I'm objective in my posts. I say what I see, sometimes it's popular, sometimes not, but it's just how I see it. Your post chooses to box me in anti-BG agenda, and to some extent I can see why. From my pov it's either lazy or ignited something in you which doesn't take in all of what I've posted. For instance, early in BG reign I gave credit for actually trying TN and making it apparent his type of football wasn't required, and subsequently helped him find a different career path.... something I had previously posted under DC (and possibly contributed to his Gas demise) and GC as criticism. And there have been others, including credit given Northampton and Lincoln matches. But....like I have pointed out before, you can't ignore BG statistics. It's the worst managerial stats in our history. BG has had time, 25 matches and brought in his own staff and now almost two whole transfer windows. It's relegation form. I find that tedious, so it should be highlighted. Folk reset the clock as they like, I'm just saying his record is dire and not good enough. And it's offset by some bizarre excuses that every club and team face intermittently....which kinda insults my intelligence when I was at Southend. I think it's a fair question to ask what would make me back BG. That's a question expanded to everyone, because we're all in different places on this. For me, he took over a team with excellent team spirit, never say die attitude that was 'tedious' to watch. But, we were 4th. If BG can hit the position at least where took the reigns, then I will have no argument that he has brought us up to the standard where we were. I think that's fair enough. You and others may disagree, great, that's what the forum should be about, no matter how tedious... Sorry but I don't try and remember everything that posters post - just get a general impression over time...and I think my impression is pretty accurate! The problem with managerial statistics is that it takes a long time to change a win ratio to something decent. BG could win the next 5 matches on the bounce and if you are in the anti-BG camp you can still roll out his win ratio since his appointment and argue he is a poor manager. But on the other hand you could see it as an evolving project where the building blocks were put in place, patience was shown, good coaching is in place and the rewards are now being reaped. It won't surprise you to learn I am in the latter camp - it seems to me you are pretty determined to stay in the former - you are even arguing he is 'lucky' that Hare replaced Little (that was you wasn't it? I cant be bothered to check) - but I seem to remember Hare was injured earlier on, so perhaps it was a case of him coming back from fitness. I have a sneaky feeling that BG might just know his players better than you do! I've a sneaky feeling you're right with BG knowing the players better than I do! I don't know how long you've been a GasHead, but previous managers have sometimes 'appeared' to always play their 'favourites'. Even through poor form, but I think it's a valid point - Little 'appears' to be the senior right full/wing back, and although making a sublime goal line clearance v Ipswich, hasn't had the impact Hare has...but it's hypothesis and we'll never know if Little would have been showed similar fate as Leahy and dropped to bench in favour of Hare. I suspect not. You see statistics as a problem. Of course, that's your prerogative. I take your point, statistics are a problem if it's not suiting your narrative. I think you're doing exactly what everyone else is doing, manipulating the truth to accentuate your point....even to the point of ignoring it. Statistics don't lie, but they can be interpreted different ways. But I think it's unfair to label my posts with the stat over the Northampton and Lincoln victories. I've given credit where it's due from my first post onwards, and not brought stat analysis into any BG issue unless challenged by other posters. It appears that you see in posts things you want to. Here's a stat for you.....0 I have seen absolutely no games we have lost where in my opinion, we dominated, missed so many chances, it would be fair to say we should have won. 0. We have had the results we deserved. In my opinion. Your post says you're pretty accurate with your impressions over time regarding not reading everything. Aren't we all feeling that? As regards to camps, former and latter. In my opinion it's not binary, some may actually feel in between. Some may not even care! If you like, I'll clarify. I like your camp and really, really, really hope I join you one day. I admire that camp's loyalty. I so want us to be successful and up where he took over, I love it when we win. But I support the club first, everything else afrer. With my own money and time sometimes. So: But... - I seriously think we need another experienced striker. It just makes sense to me. - Up until October I had seen the same match, starting 1 or 0 strikers and struggling. For me, no coincidence we have picked up performances by effective wing backs and two strikers playing well. Not every'project' will be the same, of course. - If BG can lead us to somewhere within one or two places of the position he took over, and maintain it, I will shake anyone's hand and eat humble pie. I think that's fair enough. Others may disagree by having different standards and patience.....but, until we can see that BG is a good manager (for instance making subs to change a match for the positive and not scratching his chin for 60 odd minutes then making like for like substitutions), I think it's fair to question. What's wrong with fair questions? If anyone is secure in their position, answering fair questions should be easy, shouldn't it?
|
|
|
Post by Jomo on Oct 13, 2020 8:26:37 GMT
Sorry but I don't try and remember everything that posters post - just get a general impression over time...and I think my impression is pretty accurate! The problem with managerial statistics is that it takes a long time to change a win ratio to something decent. BG could win the next 5 matches on the bounce and if you are in the anti-BG camp you can still roll out his win ratio since his appointment and argue he is a poor manager. But on the other hand you could see it as an evolving project where the building blocks were put in place, patience was shown, good coaching is in place and the rewards are now being reaped. It won't surprise you to learn I am in the latter camp - it seems to me you are pretty determined to stay in the former - you are even arguing he is 'lucky' that Hare replaced Little (that was you wasn't it? I cant be bothered to check) - but I seem to remember Hare was injured earlier on, so perhaps it was a case of him coming back from fitness. I have a sneaky feeling that BG might just know his players better than you do! I've a sneaky feeling you're right with BG knowing the players better than I do! I don't know how long you've been a GasHead, but previous managers have sometimes 'appeared' to always play their 'favourites'. Even through poor form, but I think it's a valid point - Little 'appears' to be the senior right full/wing back, and although making a sublime goal line clearance v Ipswich, hasn't had the impact Hare has...but it's hypothesis and we'll never know if Little would have been showed similar fate as Leahy and dropped to bench in favour of Hare. I suspect not. You see statistics as a problem. Of course, that's your prerogative. I take your point, statistics are a problem if it's not suiting your narrative. I think you're doing exactly what everyone else is doing, manipulating the truth to accentuate your point....even to the point of ignoring it. Statistics don't lie, but they can be interpreted different ways. But I think it's unfair to label my posts with the stat over the Northampton and Lincoln victories. I've given credit where it's due from my first post onwards, and not brought stat analysis into any BG issue unless challenged by other posters. It appears that you see in posts things you want to. Here's a stat for you.....0 I have seen absolutely no games we have lost where in my opinion, we dominated, missed so many chances, it would be fair to say we should have won. 0. We have had the results we deserved. In my opinion. Your post says you're pretty accurate with your impressions over time regarding not reading everything. Aren't we all feeling that? As regards to camps, former and latter. In my opinion it's not binary, some may actually feel in between. Some may not even care! If you like, I'll clarify. I like your camp and really, really, really hope I join you one day. I admire that camp's loyalty. I so want us to be successful and up where he took over, I love it when we win. But I support the club first, everything else afrer. With my own money and time sometimes. So: But... - I seriously think we need another experienced striker. It just makes sense to me. - Up until October I had seen the same match, starting 1 or 0 strikers and struggling. For me, no coincidence we have picked up performances by effective wing backs and two strikers playing well. Not every'project' will be the same, of course. - If BG can lead us to somewhere within one or two places of the position he took over, and maintain it, I will shake anyone's hand and eat humble pie. I think that's fair enough. Others may disagree by having different standards and patience.....but, until we can see that BG is a good manager (for instance making subs to change a match for the positive and not scratching his chin for 60 odd minutes then making like for like substitutions), I think it's fair to question. What's wrong with fair questions? If anyone is secure in their position, answering fair questions should be easy, shouldn't it? It's always good debating with you, and I really appreciate the way you explain your opinions and stand by them, even if we don't agree on some things. For this post I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree with the notion of him not getting your support unless he has gotten to within 1 or 2 places of where we were when he took over. In my opinion this is really harsh, and while the criticism has been valid, we surely have to apply some realism for the sake of balance. Let's face it, when GC left we were at the very limit of our capabilities, and whilst we can never know what may have happened, I'd say we'd have eventually fallen away as we were punching way above our weight. Can BG really not win you over until we consistently sustain a top 6 place? What about all the other clubs in the division with better resources and larger budgets than we have?
|
|
|
Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 13, 2020 10:07:07 GMT
I've a sneaky feeling you're right with BG knowing the players better than I do! I don't know how long you've been a GasHead, but previous managers have sometimes 'appeared' to always play their 'favourites'. Even through poor form, but I think it's a valid point - Little 'appears' to be the senior right full/wing back, and although making a sublime goal line clearance v Ipswich, hasn't had the impact Hare has...but it's hypothesis and we'll never know if Little would have been showed similar fate as Leahy and dropped to bench in favour of Hare. I suspect not. You see statistics as a problem. Of course, that's your prerogative. I take your point, statistics are a problem if it's not suiting your narrative. I think you're doing exactly what everyone else is doing, manipulating the truth to accentuate your point....even to the point of ignoring it. Statistics don't lie, but they can be interpreted different ways. But I think it's unfair to label my posts with the stat over the Northampton and Lincoln victories. I've given credit where it's due from my first post onwards, and not brought stat analysis into any BG issue unless challenged by other posters. It appears that you see in posts things you want to. Here's a stat for you.....0 I have seen absolutely no games we have lost where in my opinion, we dominated, missed so many chances, it would be fair to say we should have won. 0. We have had the results we deserved. In my opinion. Your post says you're pretty accurate with your impressions over time regarding not reading everything. Aren't we all feeling that? As regards to camps, former and latter. In my opinion it's not binary, some may actually feel in between. Some may not even care! If you like, I'll clarify. I like your camp and really, really, really hope I join you one day. I admire that camp's loyalty. I so want us to be successful and up where he took over, I love it when we win. But I support the club first, everything else afrer. With my own money and time sometimes. So: But... - I seriously think we need another experienced striker. It just makes sense to me. - Up until October I had seen the same match, starting 1 or 0 strikers and struggling. For me, no coincidence we have picked up performances by effective wing backs and two strikers playing well. Not every'project' will be the same, of course. - If BG can lead us to somewhere within one or two places of the position he took over, and maintain it, I will shake anyone's hand and eat humble pie. I think that's fair enough. Others may disagree by having different standards and patience.....but, until we can see that BG is a good manager (for instance making subs to change a match for the positive and not scratching his chin for 60 odd minutes then making like for like substitutions), I think it's fair to question. What's wrong with fair questions? If anyone is secure in their position, answering fair questions should be easy, shouldn't it? Can BG really not win you over until we consistently sustain a top 6 place? What about all the other clubs in the division with better resources and larger budgets than we have? Thanks for feedback, and if it goes any way at all, the feeling is mutual. And extended out to others too as appropriate. Right, with mutual massaging of egos over, back to business..... I would say, that's a fair post. Everyone sets their own standard, and my major issue with this if it sounds harsh is: GC took us there (to 4th) and many were never going to be won over? No, of course not, I think there's room for maneuvering within my own comments, but I'm acutely aware of whatever we post is liable to be brought up in the future and used against me. So I set the gauge higher to allow my being won over a little before. Up until October I think I've seen very similar matches and had to say what I thought I saw.... something changed (playing 2 recognised strikers for instance) in October, and I think even the most diehard BG in or his mum must admit, the football we've seen is drastically different, way way improved and encouraging? If BG and his management team keep consistently on this path, we can all forgive the odd off day, but he would have earned respect. Rather than it being given blindly and shouting down defensively any that question fairly. I think as paying supporters, we deserve better than that. And (for instance) given lame excuses about how we managed to be the architect our own defeat post match that quite honestly I have found insulting to paying fans' intelligence.
|
|
|
Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 13, 2020 10:30:36 GMT
If BG can get 10 points from the next 5 then it would take a prize numpty to continue with any negativity towards our manager.
Two games ago I had written him off but now I’m not so sure.
I’m hoping I have been very wrong.
Looking forward to eating my words from the last 9 months.
|
|
|
Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 13, 2020 12:09:04 GMT
If BG can get 10 points from the next 5 then it would take a prize numpty to continue with any negativity towards our manager. Two games ago I had written him off but now I’m not so sure. I’m hoping I have been very wrong. Looking forward to eating my words from the last 9 months. Fair play mate
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Oct 13, 2020 12:11:49 GMT
If BG can get 10 points from the next 5 then it would take a prize numpty to continue with any negativity towards our manager. Two games ago I had written him off but now I’m not so sure. I’m hoping I have been very wrong. Looking forward to eating my words from the last 9 months. Not alone on that one fella.
|
|
|
Post by GasAttacK on Oct 13, 2020 12:26:35 GMT
If BG can get 10 points from the next 5 then it would take a prize numpty to continue with any negativity towards our manager. Two games ago I had written him off but now I’m not so sure. I’m hoping I have been very wrong. Looking forward to eating my words from the last 9 months. Agree with this.
Prior to Northampton there had been no signs of improvement and after nearly 10 months in charge many - myself included - had lost faith in BG.
However, we have seen improvement in our last 3 performances and if that continues over the next 5 games the signs are good. If that's the case I'd be delighted and happy to say I may have been hasty in calling for his head.
I'm not getting carried away because it is only 2 wins but that's quite an achievement given what had come before and hopefully an indicator we're finally heading in the right direction.
|
|
|
Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 13, 2020 12:27:11 GMT
After some were writing him off after 3 poor results this season, is it too soon for me to state we should look at extending his contract?
{Ps. only a little joke I do remember last season)
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 12:51:15 GMT
If BG can get 10 points from the next 5 then it would take a prize numpty to continue with any negativity towards our manager. Two games ago I had written him off but now I’m not so sure. I’m hoping I have been very wrong. Looking forward to eating my words from the last 9 months. Agree with this.
Prior to Northampton there had been no signs of improvement and after nearly 10 months in charge many - myself included - had lost faith in BG.
However, we have seen improvement in our last 3 performances and if that continues over the next 5 games the signs are good. If that's the case I'd be delighted and happy to say I may have been hasty in calling for his head.
I'm not getting carried away because it is only 2 wins but that's quite an achievement given what had come before and hopefully an indicator we're finally heading in the right direction.
I don’t think us “BG fanboys” and “Rose tinters” hold anything against those who had lost patience with BG and it was becoming harder to remain positive. There has been a very obvious improvement in the last few games and that has come with giving him the time needed to get the squad settled and his ideas across. It’s still too early to say we have completely turned the corner but hopefully the most aggressive BG haters will have learned a little bit of a lesson in all this? Onwards and upwards now! UTG.
|
|
|
Post by baggins on Oct 13, 2020 12:57:23 GMT
Agree with this.
Prior to Northampton there had been no signs of improvement and after nearly 10 months in charge many - myself included - had lost faith in BG.
However, we have seen improvement in our last 3 performances and if that continues over the next 5 games the signs are good. If that's the case I'd be delighted and happy to say I may have been hasty in calling for his head.
I'm not getting carried away because it is only 2 wins but that's quite an achievement given what had come before and hopefully an indicator we're finally heading in the right direction.
I don’t think us “BG fanboys” and “Rose tinters” hold anything against those who had lost patience with BG and it was becoming harder to remain positive. There has been a very obvious improvement in the last few games and that has come with giving him the time needed to get the squad settled and his ideas across. It’s still too early to say we have completely turned the corner but hopefully the most aggressive BG haters will have learned a little bit of a lesson in all this? Onwards and upwards now! UTG. Win at home Saturday, outlook very different.
|
|