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Post by Icegas on Oct 13, 2020 13:25:46 GMT
Agree with this.
Prior to Northampton there had been no signs of improvement and after nearly 10 months in charge many - myself included - had lost faith in BG.
However, we have seen improvement in our last 3 performances and if that continues over the next 5 games the signs are good. If that's the case I'd be delighted and happy to say I may have been hasty in calling for his head.
I'm not getting carried away because it is only 2 wins but that's quite an achievement given what had come before and hopefully an indicator we're finally heading in the right direction.
I don’t think us “BG fanboys” and “Rose tinters” hold anything against those who had lost patience with BG and it was becoming harder to remain positive. There has been a very obvious improvement in the last few games and that has come with giving him the time needed to get the squad settled and his ideas across. It’s still too early to say we have completely turned the corner but hopefully the most aggressive BG haters will have learned a little bit of a lesson in all this? Onwards and upwards now! UTG. I think that's was why many, myself included questioned him due to his record here and the way the team were not improving under him. The last 3 games have been what the Wael/BG project was sold to us as,so those that doubted him if this improvement continues would be idiot's to blindly hate on BG.
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Post by baggins on Oct 13, 2020 13:32:01 GMT
I don’t think us “BG fanboys” and “Rose tinters” hold anything against those who had lost patience with BG and it was becoming harder to remain positive. There has been a very obvious improvement in the last few games and that has come with giving him the time needed to get the squad settled and his ideas across. It’s still too early to say we have completely turned the corner but hopefully the most aggressive BG haters will have learned a little bit of a lesson in all this? Onwards and upwards now! UTG. I think that's was why many, myself included questioned him due to his record here and the way the team were not improving under him. The last 3 games have been what the Wael/BG project was sold to us as,so those that doubted him if this improvement continues would be idiot's to blindly hate on BG. I think there's more than a few guilty of the bad posts towards BG, myself included, but that's understandable. However, if he really can turn this around, push for playoffs, keep us up, get the young 'uns coming through and performing, then maybe we ought to club together for the biggest humble pie ever (got to be better than the pasties?)
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Post by phillistine on Oct 13, 2020 14:26:17 GMT
I think that's was why many, myself included questioned him due to his record here and the way the team were not improving under him. The last 3 games have been what the Wael/BG project was sold to us as,so those that doubted him if this improvement continues would be idiot's to blindly hate on BG. I think there's more than a few guilty of the bad posts towards BG, myself included, but that's understandable. However, if he really can turn this around, push for playoffs, keep us up, get the young 'uns coming through and performing, then maybe we ought to club together for the biggest humble pie ever (got to be better than the pasties?) I don't think that its that clear cut. He was a first time manager and was appointed on a style of play that the Directors brought into- which was completely at odds with the footie that GC had presented. He no doubt wanted to make an impression and so immediately set about making changes that in hindsight was a step too far for that squad of players. He brought a few youngsters in in January but he now freely admits that it takes 2 or 3 months for an academy type player to adjust to this standard of football. This season started with his own players and he made the biggest mistake of all in that during the various friendlies he did not give the defenders the chance to work together and get an understanding as a unit. They were completely disjointed against Ipswich and this spread through the team and confidence was shot.All of the practice matches will not be the same as a competitive fixture and the poop hit the fan Having said all of that he is young and inexperienced but he is bright and will have learned from his various mistakes. He won't make the same ones again and hopefully he will now go onto show the style and quality of football that we all want to see. just be grateful that there is light at the end of this tunnel.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2020 19:18:27 GMT
Alright lads ? 😉
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Post by markg on Oct 20, 2020 19:30:19 GMT
This thread hasn't aged well. Hands up if you're embarrassed about your earlier comments. Keep them up, if you've learnt nothing about judging a manager on a small sample of results.
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Post by Gaswood on Oct 20, 2020 19:39:30 GMT
Interestingly, considering what many were saying a short while ago, Garner now has a 19.23% Win record, and Coughlan has a 16% Win record.
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2020 19:42:43 GMT
Interestingly, considering what many were saying a short while ago, Garner now has a 19.23% Win record, and Coughlan has a 16% Win record. Coughlans win record was a hell of a lot better than that.
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Post by Gaswood on Oct 20, 2020 19:44:12 GMT
Interestingly, considering what many were saying a short while ago, Garner now has a 19.23% Win record, and Coughlan has a 16% Win record. Coughlans win record was a hell of a lot better than that. Coughlans current record, with his current club, over the same period of time.
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2020 19:44:42 GMT
Coughlans win record was a hell of a lot better than that. Coughlans current record, with his current club, over the same period of time. Who cares about Mansfield ?
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Post by Gaswood on Oct 20, 2020 19:45:23 GMT
Coughlans current record, with his current club, over the same period of time. Who cares about Mansfield ? Who cares about Coughlan?
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2020 19:48:11 GMT
I dunno I only really care about what Bristol Rovers are doing. That’s my club.
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Post by TugPhase on Oct 20, 2020 19:50:19 GMT
I dunno I only really care about what Bristol Rovers are doing. That’s my club. Did you say that to people that were chatting about Coughlan a few weeks ago?
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Post by Gaswood on Oct 20, 2020 19:53:36 GMT
And the manager at that club is BG, and this was a (premature maybe) thread about him being sacked, with many suggesting he wasn’t up to the job, whereas the previous manager was a tactical mastermind. He left our club to join another. Let’s support the manager at our club as opposed to creating negative threads? Nothing aimed at you, nor anyone else in particular, just a factual statement about the two managers records over the same period of time.
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2020 19:53:52 GMT
I dunno I only really care about what Bristol Rovers are doing. That’s my club. Did you say that to people that were chatting about Coughlan a few weeks ago? I said that what he did in keeping us up to mid table when we were 4 points adrift of 23rd at Christmas was an incredible achievement and I said that taking us to 4th the following Christmas was also an incredible achievement and I still say that now. Do I care how he’s getting on at Mansfield ? Not one bit. I found Coughlan boring as a person and I thought his team was very stodgy to watch but that doesn’t change the fact that what he achieved with us was very good. I don’t care if he wins promotion at Mansfield or gets sacked tomorrow . Why would I ?
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Post by Gaswood on Oct 20, 2020 20:03:39 GMT
I could have sworn you were one of those commenting on the “Coughlan” thread that was created a few days ago, about the Mansfield manager. Never mind, let’s just focus on enjoying our win, and the improvement in our performances under our current manager. UTG!
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2020 20:07:36 GMT
I could have sworn you were one of those commenting on the “Coughlan” thread that was created a few days ago, about the Mansfield manager. Never mind, let’s just focus on enjoying our win, and the improvement in our performances under our current manager. UTG! I might well have commented on him I can’t remember but I don’t wish him any bad. I just appreciate that we’re not in league 2 now. He kept us up he left and now we’ve got Garner who’s finally getting some results so all good.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Oct 20, 2020 20:22:47 GMT
It all seemed strange to me that so many people were calling for BG to be sacked after 3 games, with his new team who had barely played together.
Most teams would've struggled playing Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster in their first 3 games, so our poor start was predictable.
I get it that his record was atrocious last season and only Covid kept us up, but he was attempting to change our playing style mid season, and that was never going to be easy with the type of player we had. Maybe he should've continued with Coughlan ball, but that wouldn't be his style, and we'd still moan about it.
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Post by lisbongas on Oct 20, 2020 20:42:55 GMT
He now needs time, a full season is a minimum, Even if that full season leads to relegation? I know you think it won't lead to it, but entertain the notion... Two strikers might be enough, your post might be right. It's a big, big risk not replacing jch goals. We might be ok and both strikers might replace jch scoring record. What happens if they don't? What happens if Hanlan gets a hamstring injury? It, as what happened Saturday, teams are resorting to giving him a dead leg. Succession of dead legs? What could be the consequence if we don't replace jch? The financial cost? Your post arbitrary throws out £500k. Nice. Piggot is allegedly available for half that. Your post brings in Wael and the pandemic. I've got nothing but praise for how Wael has supported the club financially and have posted this before. But, with regards to playing staff, BG alluded we are very much in profit for offloading high earners and recruiting 6 free transfers and 2 loans. We only paid undisclosed fees for Westbrooke and Hanlan, with Ayunga going to tribunal. It's not completely correct we've broken the bank already. Finally, I'd just like to commend you on your post regarding two strikers scoring. You've made my point for me.....20 matches in, and BG starts a team with NO strikers at Ipswich! Then one v Sunderland and Ipswich again! Fair play because it's horrible anyone having to deal with family crisis and health scare of the pandemic, but it isn't until well over 20+ matches BG decides to start two strikers (whether they actually play as a 2 up front is a different matter) up front and we have a hallelujah moment along with Hare replacing Little that was more luck than judgement ! ? And that's where I see BG judgements at the moment, lucky. 10 points out of 12, front two looking better each game, competition in all places, Ozturk brought in and offers cover upfront. Not sure I would call it lucky, seems more like a well thought out plan. A team that is exciting to watch and well coached will only get better.Whats certain is that its 100% more enjoyable than the rubbish served up by GC (the worse football I can recall in the past 45 years). A bubble that would have burst soon enough.
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2020 20:44:42 GMT
It all seemed strange to me that so many people were calling for BG to be sacked after 3 games, with his new team who had barely played together. Most teams would've struggled playing Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster in their first 3 games, so our poor start was predictable. I get it that his record was atrocious last season and only Covid kept us up, but he was attempting to change our playing style mid season, and that was never going to be easy with the type of player we had. Maybe he should've continued with Coughlan ball, but that wouldn't be his style, and we'd still moan about it. I wonder if we’re in the top 6 at Christmas this year after lots of games like our last couple then our supporters will be wanting Garner out.
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Post by darkbluegas on Oct 20, 2020 20:47:37 GMT
It’s a funny old game, one good season and we maybe struggling to keep him
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