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Post by richard on Sept 28, 2020 8:31:41 GMT
Very surprising that the current majority would still have Garner as manager. I am in that number as i'd like to give him until the end of October to see what happens in the meantime.
The way the Garner Out Now brigade were telling the story 95% of people wanted him out and that if you weren't in that number then you weren't a Rovers fan!!
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 28, 2020 8:33:56 GMT
Very surprising that the current majority would still have Garner as manager. I am in that number as i'd like to give him until the end of October to see what happens in the meantime. The way the Garner Out Now brigade were telling the story 95% of people wanted him out and that if you weren't in that number then you weren't a Rovers fan!! Why waste more points?
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 28, 2020 8:34:40 GMT
A few Ci*y fans lurking on the forum mind. I've had a look at all the voters on the poll, and they're all gas, afaict. 1 poster I don't know about coz they've not posted before, everyone else legit, istm. I'm a sleeper agent😀. Seriously though the inference that unless a poster want him gone that there're not a real Gashead is crass. I said at the start I'd give him a quarter of the season, mind you the lack of shots and goals is a concern and if he was dismissed shortly I wouldn't be disappointed.
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Post by richard on Sept 28, 2020 8:42:52 GMT
Very surprising that the current majority would still have Garner as manager. I am in that number as i'd like to give him until the end of October to see what happens in the meantime. The way the Garner Out Now brigade were telling the story 95% of people wanted him out and that if you weren't in that number then you weren't a Rovers fan!! Why waste more points? Because I believe sacking a manager, that has been allowed to put his own squad together, after just three league games against Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster is ridiculous. I think the majority of our fans would have expected three losses from that start to be honest so I would like to see how we get on against some of the lesser clubs in the division before we make a decision. For me, if we were going to only give Garner 3 league games against some of the division's toughest opposition then we should have pulled the trigger in March and let somebody else do the rebuild. Do I believe we'll turn it around? Honestly no. But I do hope we do as I believe in the logic behind what we're trying to do as a club.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 8:52:10 GMT
I'm not comfortable with the line of answers so ticked 'immediately' box.
I would prefer common decency and respect for the fanbase were considered and BG decided to mutually terminate his contract, because I still think there is a chance today, literally now, to effect change this season by utilising the transfer window.
I don't like sacking anyone unless absolutely necessary. A gross misconduct scenario.
Perhaps BG can be furloughed? Permanently.
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Post by TAGas on Sept 28, 2020 8:53:25 GMT
And sacking our manager guaranatees improvement? I voted eight more games. We've lost to 1st and 4th in the table and drew with 5th in table (and before you say "those teams are in those positions after only three games"... We're bottom after only three games). Next eight games include Northampton, Burton, Shrewsbury, Accrington and Rochdale. These are the sort of teams you'd expect us to get results against and therefore a much clearer judgement of where we are. From the eight games 0-9 points, not good enough, need to change 10-12 improvement but still not amazing, re-evaluate 13-15 much better and more the level we would hope for 16+ there will be a promotion bus thread... I hear what you're saying but it's the manner of the performances more than the results that have led me to believe he wont turn things around. We've seen no improvement in Garnerball for 9 months despite 12 signings and a longer than normal pre season on the training ground.
As I said in the OP the poll is based on not seeing any improvement in performances or results. If we lose the next 4 and sit 5 points adrift at the bottom after 7 games would you really give him another 4? I feel the same way. It's the performances and the post match interviews that have made me feel deflated and annoyed rather than the results. Dont get me wrong if we are playing the way we are and winning I'll be happy as we're winning, but the combination of style of play and results has lost my faith in this guy I wanted him to succeed, I really did. Unfortunately for Wael, I believe BG can sale his vision of football and himself really well and Wael and the board have fallen for it. We have a run of games now that are very much winnable, but I'm not convinced we will get much from them as I feel the opposing managers are more experienced and will find a way to beat us.
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Post by TAGas on Sept 28, 2020 8:56:30 GMT
Because I believe sacking a manager, that has been allowed to put his own squad together, after just three league games against Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster is ridiculous. I think the majority of our fans would have expected three losses from that start to be honest so I would like to see how we get on against some of the lesser clubs in the division before we make a decision. For me, if we were going to only give Garner 3 league games against some of the division's toughest opposition then we should have pulled the trigger in March and let somebody else do the rebuild. Do I believe we'll turn it around? Honestly no. But I do hope we do as I believe in the logic behind what we're trying to do as a club. I think you are correct we didn't really expect to win these 3 games, but once again it's the manner in which we lost.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 8:58:45 GMT
Because I believe sacking a manager, that has been allowed to put his own squad together, after just three league games against Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster is ridiculous. I think the majority of our fans would have expected three losses from that start to be honest so I would like to see how we get on against some of the lesser clubs in the division before we make a decision. For me, if we were going to only give Garner 3 league games against some of the division's toughest opposition then we should have pulled the trigger in March and let somebody else do the rebuild. Do I believe we'll turn it around? Honestly no. But I do hope we do as I believe in the logic behind what we're trying to do as a club. Agree with the sacking in March comments! BG had the whole of January transfer window and recruited his own players, so it's not just 3 matches is it? Timmy Abraham? Remember? His player within his squad. And others..
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Post by pudseygas on Sept 28, 2020 9:21:59 GMT
Without a doubt. Can't see how this can be turned around unfortunately 😔
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Post by justin blue on Sept 28, 2020 9:26:27 GMT
He has to go now there is no point in delaying there has been no hint of improvement. We are now looking forward to games hoping for just a narrow defeat and it's killing us.
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Post by LJG on Sept 28, 2020 10:15:08 GMT
Because I believe sacking a manager, that has been allowed to put his own squad together, after just three league games against Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster is ridiculous. I think the majority of our fans would have expected three losses from that start to be honest so I would like to see how we get on against some of the lesser clubs in the division before we make a decision. For me, if we were going to only give Garner 3 league games against some of the division's toughest opposition then we should have pulled the trigger in March and let somebody else do the rebuild. Do I believe we'll turn it around? Honestly no. But I do hope we do as I believe in the logic behind what we're trying to do as a club. I think you are correct we didn't really expect to win these 3 games, but once again it's the manner in which we lost. Why didn't we expect to win them? We're a league one club starting the season on zero points and they're league one clubs starting the season on zero points. What did I miss that says I shouldn't expect to win? I'm still waiting for the list of games we can expect to win to be published so I know where we're going to finish this season and can stop watching the matches. They do take up such a big part of Saturday afternoons this will be much quicker.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 28, 2020 10:21:09 GMT
See lincoln has now been taken off list of winnable games by some posters
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 10:23:25 GMT
See lincoln has now been taken off list of winnable games by some posters Well, of course!? Same applies to any team we play with BG in charge! 🤭
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Post by TugPhase on Sept 28, 2020 10:23:29 GMT
And sacking our manager guaranatees improvement? I voted eight more games. We've lost to 1st and 4th in the table and drew with 5th in table (and before you say "those teams are in those positions after only three games"... We're bottom after only three games). Next eight games include Northampton, Burton, Shrewsbury, Accrington and Rochdale. These are the sort of teams you'd expect us to get results against and therefore a much clearer judgement of where we are. From the eight games 0-9 points, not good enough, need to change 10-12 improvement but still not amazing, re-evaluate 13-15 much better and more the level we would hope for 16+ there will be a promotion bus thread... I hear what you're saying but it's the manner of the performances more than the results that have led me to believe he wont turn things around. We've seen no improvement in Garnerball for 9 months despite 12 signings and a longer than normal pre season on the training ground.
As I said in the OP the poll is based on not seeing any improvement in performances or results. If we lose the next 4 and sit 5 points adrift at the bottom after 7 games would you really give him another 4? I missed that part, apologies. However that seems like a pointless poll. If you are saying that we will definitely continue as we are, averaging 0.33 PPG and playing badly then obviously he should go now - we would end the season on 15 points! In that case everybody's answer would be the same but that obviously isn't the case, we can't possibly know that it will continue as it is. Therefore a more logical question would be "should he get longer and an opportunity to improve?", and that is what I, and I imagine a lot of others, have answered.
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Post by gasincider on Sept 28, 2020 10:25:42 GMT
This is such reactionary bull sh** ! Lol If ( and it’s a big IF) we’d of won yesterday the result would be totally different. Loads on here were lauding his summer signings and talking of a possible play off push. We could get 3 decent results in our next games and you’ll get loads saying they always thought he’d come good in the end. Getting a bit watered off with this stuff now , it’s 3 F...ing games into a new season . You gotta love the IF. If the moon was made of cheese, if Father Christmas was a gashead, if there really were unicorns. Ffs, the bloke is totally inept. He has absolutely no idea, and shouldn't have come back to Bristol (if indeed he did) on Saturday. I can only think the rose tinters who told us what fabulous players we were signing are the ones who want to give him more time. The only reason he is still here was because the person who chose him owns the club. If you are watching Wael, get rid of this joker. And for god sake stop trying to turn us into a feeder club for Chelsea. Even if we beat Northampton, he still has to go. Give the job to Hargreaves or Mansell till the end of the season, and pray. But whatever happens, if there is money in the kitty for more signings, don't let BG use it. BRFC under 21's cannot compete at League 1 level. Simples. AND FOR GOD SAKE PUT OGOGO BACK IN THE TEAM. And as for the poll, does it mean Northampton at home or when we are relegated after playing them away? Asking for a friend.
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Post by TAGas on Sept 28, 2020 10:31:10 GMT
See lincoln has now been taken off list of winnable games by some posters I'd say so. They have the advantage of having a manager
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Post by gasincider on Sept 28, 2020 10:35:41 GMT
Because I believe sacking a manager, that has been allowed to put his own squad together, after just three league games against Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster is ridiculous. I think the majority of our fans would have expected three losses from that start to be honest so I would like to see how we get on against some of the lesser clubs in the division before we make a decision. For me, if we were going to only give Garner 3 league games against some of the division's toughest opposition then we should have pulled the trigger in March and let somebody else do the rebuild. Do I believe we'll turn it around? Honestly no. But I do hope we do as I believe in the logic behind what we're trying to do as a club. Would have expected three losses? Did you not see the pre season garbage on here about playoffs etc? Lot of people on here expected better than we've got. This guy has taken us from top three to bottom. It doesn't matter about personnel changes, that is the only fact that matters. Give me GC's football every time over Garnerball. Winning is all that matters. I'll worry about the style when we next go to Liverpool for a league game.
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Post by GasAttacK on Sept 28, 2020 10:39:34 GMT
What would be seen as acceptable at home against a Northampton side expected to go down this season:
1) Win but no improvement in performance. We score with our only attempt on goal - a deflected 30 yard shot from Leahy - but ride our luck to take the points. We have less possession, less shots, less corners and less attacking play than Northampton. Jaakkola is MOTM.
2) Win a tight game that could have gone either way. A boring game with no chances to either side decided by a disputed penalty converted by Leahy. We look stronger in defence but clueless going forward.
3) Win an exciting end to end game 4-3. We look far better going forward but still awful at the back.
4) A deserved 2-0 win after an improved display. We dominate much of the game, look more secure at the back and more dangerous going forward.
5) A comfortable 4-0 win. A one sided game which we dominate from start to finish. We never look like conceding and create chances at will.
I guess we'd take any sort of win but would any of the above scenarios change your opinion of BG?
It will take more than one win for BG to win back my support but if he's still in charge on Saturday and we achieve either option 4 or 5 above, I'd stick with him for another 2 or 3 games to see if it was a flash in the pan.
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Post by TAGas on Sept 28, 2020 10:47:31 GMT
What would be seen as acceptable at home against a Northampton side expected to go down this season: 1) Win but no improvement in performance. We score with our only attempt on goal - a deflected 30 yard shot from Leahy - but ride our luck to take the points. We have less possession, less shots, less corners and less attacking play than Northampton. Jaakkola is MOTM. 2) Win a tight game that could have gone either way. A boring game with no chances to either side decided by a disputed penalty converted by Leahy. We look stronger in defence but clueless going forward. 3) Win an exciting end to end game 4-3. We look far better going forward but still awful at the back. 4) A deserved 2-0 win after an improved display. We dominate much of the game, look more secure at the back and more dangerous going forward. 5) A comfortable 4-0 win. A one sided game which we dominate from start to finish. We never look like conceding and create chances at will. I guess we'd take any sort of win but would any of the above scenarios change your opinion of BG? It will take more than one win for BG to win back my support but if he's still in charge on Saturday and we achieve either option 4 or 5 above, I'd stick with him for another 2 or 3 games to see if it was a flash in the pan. Has to be at least (4) If we can't achieve that then we have no hope against other opposition.
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Post by lympstonegas on Sept 28, 2020 10:48:53 GMT
I would bet will have more chance of avoiding relegation by sacking him ASAP
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