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Post by TugPhase on Sept 28, 2020 12:09:39 GMT
Don't forget the poll is based on no improvement in performances or results. 34 have said give him another 8 games. I have to say I'm amazed. With no improvement in performances or results that would see us on 1 point after 11 games, even Southend managed 4 points from 11 games last season.. Based on the last few seasons that is likely to see us cut adrift at the bottom, probably 4 or 5 points adrift of 23rd and 9 or 10 adrift of safety. If we get cut that far adrift at best we'll be facing a tough and go relegation battle for the rest of the season, at worst we'll be all but down before the January transfer window opens. Like I said earlier, it's a pointless poll. If results are never going to improve then we should get rid now, obviously. I imagine however most are using common sense and taking it as 'eight games to see if things improve'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 12:09:58 GMT
Don't forget the poll is based on no improvement in performances or results. 34 have said give him another 8 games. I have to say I'm amazed. With no improvement in performances or results that would see us on 1 point after 11 games, even Southend managed 4 points from 11 games last season.. Based on the last few seasons that is likely to see us cut adrift at the bottom, probably 4 or 5 points adrift of 23rd and 9 or 10 adrift of safety. If we get cut that far adrift at best we'll be facing a tough and go relegation battle for the rest of the season, at worst we'll be all but down before the January transfer window opens. It’s like voting to be put in administration, wanting a 12 point deduction just for the hell of it. People obviously find it really really easy to just write off his results last season with a squad that had got us to 4th. I could sort of buy into that if he had achieved 4 or 5 wins with that squad in the ~20 games he was afforded and 4 or 5 is not asking much at all considering one of the fixtures was against a team that finished bottom of the entire football league. 4 or 5 would show some inkling of ability, 2 is what you would except when accounting for the odd statistical anomaly, they are meaningless. To write off those games and give him ~1/4 of a season more after showing no progression whatsoever...I just literally can’t get my head round it.
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Post by legas on Sept 28, 2020 12:11:07 GMT
Don't spread the blame. This was Waels choice pure and simple Give it a rest, it's become tedious. My internet connection wasn’t working properly this morning. Now, if that’s not clear evidence of Wael’s ineptitude in running BRFC then I don’t know what is.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 28, 2020 12:22:43 GMT
We can say goodbye to the club if we get cut adrift this season. If its city's season this year and this guy takes us down . That's pretty well it. The dwindling support will then be down to a core of 2500 until old age picks them off. No new support unless its the few kids that have been passed on the baton Look at the likes of port vale and notts county to see the club we are becoming. That's why preseason was so important and groaner should have been nowhere near wael building a future for this club.we cant afford him to learn the ropes this season.this club can not afford to be in div2 next season.
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Post by cockergas on Sept 28, 2020 12:23:10 GMT
Why didn't we expect to win them? We're a league one club starting the season on zero points and they're league one clubs starting the season on zero points. What did I miss that says I shouldn't expect to win? I'm still waiting for the list of games we can expect to win to be published so I know where we're going to finish this season and can stop watching the matches. They do take up such a big part of Saturday afternoons this will be much quicker. This. Absolutely f**king well this . . . maybe “nobody expected us to win these game” could have been worded slightly better. Perhaps more like everyone would probably acknowledge that the first 3 fixtures would probably rank amongst the Toughest over the whole season and we had them in the first 3 games
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Post by baggins on Sept 28, 2020 12:27:15 GMT
We can say goodbye to the club if we get cut adrift this season. If its city's season this year and this guy takes us down . That's pretty well it. The dwindling support will then be down to a core of 2500 until old age picks them off. No new support unless its the few kids that have been passed on the baton Look at the likes of port vale and notts county to see the club we are becoming. That's why preseason was so important and groaner should have been nowhere near wael building a future for this club.we cant afford him to learn the ropes this season.this club can not afford to be in div2 next season. Can't remember us having a support group of 2500. We've got 3000 season ticket holders and I'm not sure it dipped below that when we were in the conference. As for not affording it, that's Waels business and so far he's put the cash in, which is what most of us have been asking for.
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Post by heartofgas on Sept 28, 2020 12:29:26 GMT
I think the situation with Garner has been harder to call because this is his first (and probably last) managerial position. I’m firmly in the go now camp but can understand why some people are willing to Give him more time. I think if you had a manager with a previous proven track record you’d be more willing to give him some slack but he doesn’t. There is no evidence he can manage a football team. He has never played the game so will not understand the nuances of the game that only those have played can understand. It’s all very good to have studied and got you coaching badges but that does not give you experience or personality to manage a team. The vast majority of manager are ex- players or have learned as an assistant manager. I admit I wasn’t saying it at the time but Lee Mansell would have been a far better appointment. He went through the pain of the conference, He would have learned a lot from DC’s management and he seemed like a natural leader. Water under the bridge now I guess but for me is why it’s time for Garner to go. He’s a well educated coach but he just can’t manage a team
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 28, 2020 12:30:42 GMT
We can say goodbye to the club if we get cut adrift this season. If its city's season this year and this guy takes us down . That's pretty well it. The dwindling support will then be down to a core of 2500 until old age picks them off. No new support unless its the few kids that have been passed on the baton Look at the likes of port vale and notts county to see the club we are becoming. That's why preseason was so important and groaner should have been nowhere near wael building a future for this club.we cant afford him to learn the ropes this season.this club can not afford to be in div2 next season. Can't remember us having a support group of 2500. We've got 3000 season ticket holders and I'm not sure it dipped below that when we were in the conference. As for not affording it, that's Waels business and so far he's put the cash in, which is what most of us have been asking for. No way we've got that many this season, we sold 1,500 when the first window closed and I doubt we sold more than 500 when it re-opened. I wonder how many of them asked for refunds rather than iFollow passes (or how many now regret not asking for a refund!!)
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Post by GasAttacK on Sept 28, 2020 12:30:55 GMT
Don't forget the poll is based on no improvement in performances or results. 34 have said give him another 8 games. I have to say I'm amazed. With no improvement in performances or results that would see us on 1 point after 11 games, even Southend managed 4 points from 11 games last season.. Based on the last few seasons that is likely to see us cut adrift at the bottom, probably 4 or 5 points adrift of 23rd and 9 or 10 adrift of safety. If we get cut that far adrift at best we'll be facing a tough and go relegation battle for the rest of the season, at worst we'll be all but down before the January transfer window opens. Like I said earlier, it's a pointless poll. If results are never going to improve then we should get rid now, obviously. I imagine however most are using common sense and taking it as 'eight games to see if things improve'. In my opinion it would be a pointless poll if you voted in any other way.
None of us have any control over when or if he gets the sack. What I'm asking is if - as many of us expect - performances and results don't improve how much more time would you give BG. In other words at what point would you give up hope of things improving.
If he's still in charge on Saturday and we win 4-0 playing brilliant free flowing football that will obviously change opinions, maybe even mine. However, this poll is about whether you've already lost all hope and want BG gone now and if not, where you would draw the line if we don't see any improvement.
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Post by LJG on Sept 28, 2020 12:36:31 GMT
Because I believe sacking a manager, that has been allowed to put his own squad together, after just three league games against Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster is ridiculous. I think the majority of our fans would have expected three losses from that start to be honest so I would like to see how we get on against some of the lesser clubs in the division before we make a decision. For me, if we were going to only give Garner 3 league games against some of the division's toughest opposition then we should have pulled the trigger in March and let somebody else do the rebuild. Do I believe we'll turn it around? Honestly no. But I do hope we do as I believe in the logic behind what we're trying to do as a club. Aren't you the positive mindset, goal-setting chap? What's with expecting to lose? Which goal is that?
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Post by baggins on Sept 28, 2020 12:37:25 GMT
Can't remember us having a support group of 2500. We've got 3000 season ticket holders and I'm not sure it dipped below that when we were in the conference. As for not affording it, that's Waels business and so far he's put the cash in, which is what most of us have been asking for. No way we've got that many this season, we sold 1,500 when the first window closed and I doubt we sold more than 500 when it re-opened. I wonder how many of them asked for refunds rather than iFollow passes (or how many now regret not asking for a refund!!) I thought it was 3000? My mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 12:42:15 GMT
This. Absolutely f**king well this . . . maybe “nobody expected us to win these game” could have been worded slightly better. Perhaps more like everyone would probably acknowledge that the first 3 fixtures would probably rank amongst the Toughest over the whole season and we had them in the first 3 games I think most can appreciate the sentiment and yet on the one hand people are writing off Garners previous performance because it’s a new season but they don’t expect us to beat Ipswich Sunderland and Doncaster because of their previous performance/reputation. If anything the best time to play a favourite is at the start when they haven’t built up any form. People would have said Portsmouth was a hard game and yet look where they are in the table. Peterborough lost their first game etc. The first 3 games thing is just more easy excuses to negate the cognitive dissonance that people get when looking at our results whilst hoping Garner will come good.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 28, 2020 12:53:59 GMT
We can say goodbye to the club if we get cut adrift this season. If its city's season this year and this guy takes us down . That's pretty well it. The dwindling support will then be down to a core of 2500 until old age picks them off. No new support unless its the few kids that have been passed on the baton Look at the likes of port vale and notts county to see the club we are becoming. That's why preseason was so important and groaner should have been nowhere near wael building a future for this club.we cant afford him to learn the ropes this season.this club can not afford to be in div2 next season. Can't remember us having a support group of 2500. We've got 3000 season ticket holders and I'm not sure it dipped below that when we were in the conference. As for not affording it, that's Waels business and so far he's put the cash in, which is what most of us have been asking for. even if it an extra 500 that will certainly fill the clubs coffers up Wael will only continue with the piggy bank for so long then what happens? Like I said this season esp with covid and city off to a flyer. We cant be in the final 4 places at the end of the season
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 28, 2020 12:57:12 GMT
No way we've got that many this season, we sold 1,500 when the first window closed and I doubt we sold more than 500 when it re-opened. I wonder how many of them asked for refunds rather than iFollow passes (or how many now regret not asking for a refund!!) I thought it was 3000? My mistake. In one of Starnes recent articles he stated we had more than 3000 season ticket holders
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Post by baggins on Sept 28, 2020 12:57:33 GMT
Can't remember us having a support group of 2500. We've got 3000 season ticket holders and I'm not sure it dipped below that when we were in the conference. As for not affording it, that's Waels business and so far he's put the cash in, which is what most of us have been asking for. even if it an extra 500 that will certainly fill the clubs coffers up Wael will only continue with the piggy bank for so long then what happens? Like I said this season esp with covid and city off to a flyer. We cant be in the final 4 places at the end of the season Why are you concerned and comparing us to the sheds all the time? And why are you worried about money, it's Waels problem, and so far there's no indication he'll stop making sure we're ok. Stop being a doom merchant.
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Post by baggins on Sept 28, 2020 12:58:08 GMT
I thought it was 3000? My mistake. In one of Starnes recent articles he stated we had more than 3000 season ticket holders Thank you.
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Post by Marshy on Sept 28, 2020 13:03:17 GMT
I thought it was 3000? My mistake. In one of Starnes recent articles he stated we had more than 3000 season ticket holders Yeah but he also said, the landing lights were on.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 13:04:56 GMT
Agree with the sacking in March comments! BG had the whole of January transfer window and recruited his own players, so it's not just 3 matches is it? Timmy Abraham? Remember? His player within his squad. And others.. Timmy Abraham was being scouted and lined up long before BG arrived. You would hope so, wouldn't you? As with all players being scouted and lined up before they arrive. It's still BG squad player as his choice ultimately to accept him...
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Post by axegas on Sept 28, 2020 13:06:13 GMT
We can say goodbye to the club if we get cut adrift this season. If its city's season this year and this guy takes us down . That's pretty well it. The dwindling support will then be down to a core of 2500 until old age picks them off. No new support unless its the few kids that have been passed on the baton Look at the likes of port vale and notts county to see the club we are becoming. That's why preseason was so important and groaner should have been nowhere near wael building a future for this club.we cant afford him to learn the ropes this season.this club can not afford to be in div2 next season. What a cheerful post. Maybe go outside and get some fresh air or something?
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 28, 2020 13:17:56 GMT
Cheerful because we got a shtfest of a manager and some of you maybe can wait 20 years but the majority of this fanbase is well past the 50s.you want to get your head out of his backside and look around
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