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Post by socrates on Sept 28, 2020 13:23:17 GMT
Because I believe sacking a manager, that has been allowed to put his own squad together, after just three league games against Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster is ridiculous. I think the majority of our fans would have expected three losses from that start to be honest so I would like to see how we get on against some of the lesser clubs in the division before we make a decision. For me, if we were going to only give Garner 3 league games against some of the division's toughest opposition then we should have pulled the trigger in March and let somebody else do the rebuild. Do I believe we'll turn it around? Honestly no. But I do hope we do as I believe in the logic behind what we're trying to do as a club. I think you are correct we didn't really expect to win these 3 games, but once again it's the manner in which we lost. Yeah if DC or Coughlan we’re still manager then we probably only would have got a point from those 3 games to be fair. I think it’s the way we played , and that combined with last seasons games and the fact that after 24 games in charge his players don’t seem anymore in tune with what they’re supposed to do than they did at the beginning. It’s also things like playing Kilgour as wing back , JML as a lone striker. Most of what Garners done so far doesn’t make football sense at this level to me and judging by the teams performances it would appear that the players don’t get it either.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 28, 2020 13:24:36 GMT
even if it an extra 500 that will certainly fill the clubs coffers up Wael will only continue with the piggy bank for so long then what happens? Like I said this season esp with covid and city off to a flyer. We cant be in the final 4 places at the end of the season Why are you concerned and comparing us to the sheds all the time? And why are you worried about money, it's Waels problem, and so far there's no indication he'll stop making sure we're ok. Stop being a doom merchant. you sound like a shopkeeper who still believes in the high street. I compare with them because both are after punters like any going concern. Who gets the business Amazon or your little corner shop?investment soon dries up on failing business model with no footfall.
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Post by baggins on Sept 28, 2020 13:26:32 GMT
Why are you concerned and comparing us to the sheds all the time? And why are you worried about money, it's Waels problem, and so far there's no indication he'll stop making sure we're ok. Stop being a doom merchant. you sound like a shopkeeper who still believes in the high street. I compare with them because both are after punters like any going concern. Who gets the business Amazon or your little corner shop?investment soon dries up on failing business model with no footfall. Out of us, and them, who's been bust?
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 28, 2020 13:26:36 GMT
Interesting results
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Post by TugPhase on Sept 28, 2020 13:27:57 GMT
Cheerful because we got a shtfest of a manager and some of you maybe can wait 20 years but the majority of this fanbase is well past the 50s.you want to get your head out of his backside and look around Why turn on other fans? Your opinion is he should go. Some think he should get more time. Either way it doesn't make any difference as it is Wael's decision. We all want to start playing well and winning games. Chill out.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 13:31:00 GMT
Cheerful because we got a shtfest of a manager and some of you maybe can wait 20 years but the majority of this fanbase is well past the 50s.you want to get your head out of his backside and look around Why turn on other fans? Your opinion is he should go. Some think he should get more time. Either way it doesn't make any difference as it is Wael's decision. We all want to start playing well and winning games. Chill out. To be fair, other fans have turned on BB too...(not a star wars reference).
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 28, 2020 13:33:55 GMT
you sound like a shopkeeper who still believes in the high street. I compare with them because both are after punters like any going concern. Who gets the business Amazon or your little corner shop?investment soon dries up on failing business model with no footfall. Out of us, and them, who's been bust? crikey how long ago was that?40 years ago and we still bang on about it.
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Post by richard on Sept 28, 2020 13:41:59 GMT
Because I believe sacking a manager, that has been allowed to put his own squad together, after just three league games against Sunderland, Ipswich and Doncaster is ridiculous. I think the majority of our fans would have expected three losses from that start to be honest so I would like to see how we get on against some of the lesser clubs in the division before we make a decision. For me, if we were going to only give Garner 3 league games against some of the division's toughest opposition then we should have pulled the trigger in March and let somebody else do the rebuild. Do I believe we'll turn it around? Honestly no. But I do hope we do as I believe in the logic behind what we're trying to do as a club. Aren't you the positive mindset, goal-setting chap? What's with expecting to lose? Which goal is that? It's realism based on knowledge of club resources, playing squads and past results. I know you seem to think that all clubs in the same division are equal but frankly that's a ridiculous mindset isn't it?
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Post by baggins on Sept 28, 2020 13:48:03 GMT
Out of us, and them, who's been bust? crikey how long ago was that?40 years ago and we still bang on about it. Why not? You've been banging on about them all afternoon.
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Post by justin blue on Sept 28, 2020 13:53:18 GMT
Don't spread the blame. This was Waels choice pure and simple A three man selection panel that did the interviews. Wael, Starnes and Widdrington. Really no point in a blame game as I'm sure everybody had the best intentions, but do you really think we would have had Garner if the owner did not want him?
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 28, 2020 13:55:55 GMT
Yep about the future not what happened years ago.
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Post by pirate on Sept 28, 2020 14:00:27 GMT
Timmy Abraham was being scouted and lined up long before BG arrived. You would hope so, wouldn't you? As with all players being scouted and lined up before they arrive. It's still BG squad player as his choice ultimately to accept him... I'm sure he trusted the judgement of the scouting team, but then after watching him closely in training and limited time he had on the pitch, realised the lad wasn't up to the standard of League One football. Was always a questionable signing IMHO as he wasn't even scoring that many for Fulham U23's or even a regular starter for them at the time.
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Post by pirate on Sept 28, 2020 14:04:53 GMT
A three man selection panel that did the interviews. Wael, Starnes and Widdrington. Really no point in a blame game as I'm sure everybody had the best intentions, but do you really think we would have had Garner if the owner did not want him? Obviously the final decision was the owners, but im sure only after considering the opinions of the CEO and Head of Recruitment. I made an error of judgement myself regarding Garner, so won't be any blame game from me. We all make mistakes from time to time after all!
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Post by piratejames on Sept 28, 2020 14:05:45 GMT
Yep about the future not what happened years ago. I’ve just spent a few minutes of my life looking through your terrible posts, not once have you offered a solution or a different way forward, just moaned and moaned a bit more. Oh and slated other people for there opinions, you’ve got your opinion, great, but instead of just whining why don’t you come up with a way we can sort this out or acknowledge others opinions. I personally will always support the team whoever is in charge, whatever league we are in, I’m starting to think we could do with something different but there is no chance he’s being sacked after 3 games, so I will continue to support and be respectful and look on the positive side, I suggest you do the same UTG
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 28, 2020 14:23:37 GMT
Having a different opinion to you does not make someone a ted. Supporters have been more than patient, if they’re less patient than yourself that doesn’t make them a ted any more than it makes you a ted for wanting the person behind our diabolical form to continue in their role. But people who don't think BG should go were being called teds the other day. Earlier in this thread someone suggested that those that voted he should stay must be City fans, notice that wasn't jumped on. It is embarrassing. We are a fanbase that used to famously support the club throughout all sorts of adversity. Now most of the fanbase are jumping on the manager after three games of the season. Call it blind faith but that's what made me proud to be Rovers, that unwavering support. Unfortunately, that is fast fading and we are starting to resemble a lot of other clubs support, such as City... The manager isn’t the club. The fans are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 14:27:23 GMT
You would hope so, wouldn't you? As with all players being scouted and lined up before they arrive. It's still BG squad player as his choice ultimately to accept him... I'm sure he trusted the judgement of the scouting team, but then after watching him closely in training and limited time he had on the pitch, realised the lad wasn't up to the standard of League One football. Was always a questionable signing IMHO as he wasn't even scoring that many for Fulham U23's or even a regular starter for them at the time. With that mind it seems odd that we would have done extensive homework on him and then concluded he was the right player. I heard reports that he didn’t even look like a footballer. The manager being removed from signings seems to be de rigeur in football these days but it does make me wonder how it all comes together- scouting a player, giving him to the manager and then the manager is like “wtf?”. Would Garner have had no say in the process? All very strange to me
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Post by cockergas on Sept 28, 2020 14:32:13 GMT
maybe “nobody expected us to win these game” could have been worded slightly better. Perhaps more like everyone would probably acknowledge that the first 3 fixtures would probably rank amongst the Toughest over the whole season and we had them in the first 3 games I think most can appreciate the sentiment and yet on the one hand people are writing off Garners previous performance because it’s a new season but they don’t expect us to beat Ipswich Sunderland and Doncaster because of their previous performance/reputation. If anything the best time to play a favourite is at the start when they haven’t built up any form. People would have said Portsmouth was a hard game and yet look where they are in the table. Peterborough lost their first game etc. The first 3 games thing is just more easy excuses to negate the cognitive dissonance that people get when looking at our results whilst hoping Garner will come good. . I am surprised as you at where Portsmouth and Peterborough are in the table, they were favoured teams and arguably have had, one paper at least, an easy start to the campaign than us. I’m certainly not trying to right off Garners results last year. He has had the COVID suspension then the closed and pre season to recruit and build his own team. Because of last season I felt he needed to get off to a flying start to try to get some fans back on his side and then the fixture list was released and my fiirst thoughts were FFS.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 14:32:49 GMT
As it stands now, the 65 that voted to remove immediately are roughly 45% of the over all poll. At this moment.
Question for the remaining 65ish % ....do you know what you voted for?
Are you too stupid you don't know what you're voting for? And racist.
Can we have a second vote please, this one for the people... ?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 28, 2020 14:35:55 GMT
This poll is enlightening. It shows that 7.5% of the respondents on here are definitely Sh1!heads and up to 40% might be!
If the chat sh** forum or whatever it’s called did the same poll, what percentage would be for keeping Garner as our manager indefinitely or at least for 8 more games?? How many would be for sacking him immediately?
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Post by cockergas on Sept 28, 2020 14:36:21 GMT
As it stands now, the 65 that voted to remove immediately are roughly 45% of the over all poll. At this moment. Question for the remaining 65ish % ....do you know what you voted for? Are you too stupid you don't know what you're voting for? And racist. Can we have a second vote please, this one for the people... ? what? Because 65% feel differently than you you brand that stupid racists?
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