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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 14:38:07 GMT
As it stands now, the 65 that voted to remove immediately are roughly 45% of the over all poll. At this moment. Question for the remaining 65ish % ....do you know what you voted for? Are you too stupid you don't know what you're voting for? And racist. Can we have a second vote please, this one for the people... ? what? Because 65% feel differently than you you brand that stupid racists? I think yes, that is how it works. Too racist to know what you're doing. Second vote please!
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Post by justin blue on Sept 28, 2020 14:39:04 GMT
I think you are correct we didn't really expect to win these 3 games, but once again it's the manner in which we lost. Yeah if DC or Coughlan we’re still manager then we probably only would have got a point from those 3 games to be fair. I think it’s the way we played , and that combined with last seasons games and the fact that after 24 games in charge his players don’t seem anymore in tune with what they’re supposed to do than they did at the beginning. It’s also things like playing Kilgour as wing back , JML as a lone striker. Most of what Garners done so far doesn’t make football sense at this level to me and judging by the teams performances it would appear that the players don’t get it either. Have to dissagree as we would'nt have been playing those games if Coughlan or DC were in charge. We would have been in league two with DC and Coughlan would have got us promoted
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Post by cockergas on Sept 28, 2020 14:43:35 GMT
what? Because 65% feel differently than you you brand that stupid racists? I think yes, that is how it works. Too racist to know what you're doing. Second vote please! . So the ‘Garner in’ and ‘Garner out’ brigades are now different racial groups? Some may take offence to being called a racist, so I think you need to engage your brain, if you have one, before you post.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 28, 2020 14:45:14 GMT
I think yes, that is how it works. Too racist to know what you're doing. Second vote please! . So the ‘Garner in’ and ‘Garner out’ brigades are now different racial groups? Some may take offence to being called a racist, so I think you need to engage your brain, if you have one, before you post. Haha! Slightly off topic, but I totally agree...
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Post by piratejames on Sept 28, 2020 14:47:28 GMT
. So the ‘Garner in’ and ‘Garner out’ brigades are now different racial groups? Some may take offence to being called a racist, so I think you need to engage your brain, if you have one, before you post. Haha! Slightly off topic, but I totally agree... Have you been through a crate of special brew or something?
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Post by cockergas on Sept 28, 2020 14:50:26 GMT
Haha! Slightly off topic, but I totally agree... Have you been through a crate of special brew or something? certainly been in something
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Post by GasAttacK on Sept 28, 2020 15:03:48 GMT
I'm discounting the 11 who voted to keep him even if we're relegated because I'm assuming they're teds. I haven't seen a post from anybody saying they'd still like him to be in charge next season even if we're in L2.
That means currently out of 139 votes:
67 - Want him gone now. 20 - Saturday is make or break. 12 - 4 more games 40 - 8 more game.
So as it stands 48% want him gone today.
However, is we lose on Saturday that goes up to 63%.
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Post by LJG on Sept 28, 2020 15:04:34 GMT
Aren't you the positive mindset, goal-setting chap? What's with expecting to lose? Which goal is that? It's realism based on knowledge of club resources, playing squads and past results. I know you seem to think that all clubs in the same division are equal but frankly that's a ridiculous mindset isn't it? Well realism should take account of past performance as an indicator of future capability so given that we beat both Sunderland and Ipswich last season I wouldn't say that expecting to lose is particularly realistic. If you don't expect us to get results against teams with better resources than us why do you watch? Isn't that a bit of a ridiculous mindset? Wasting your time on dead cert losses?
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Post by pirate on Sept 28, 2020 15:33:50 GMT
It's realism based on knowledge of club resources, playing squads and past results. I know you seem to think that all clubs in the same division are equal but frankly that's a ridiculous mindset isn't it? Well realism should take account of past performance as an indicator of future capability so given that we beat both Sunderland and Ipswich last season I wouldn't say that expecting to lose is particularly realistic. If you don't expect us to get results against teams with better resources than us why do you watch? Isn't that a bit of a ridiculous mindset? Wasting your time on dead cert losses?
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Post by richard on Sept 28, 2020 15:45:29 GMT
It's realism based on knowledge of club resources, playing squads and past results. I know you seem to think that all clubs in the same division are equal but frankly that's a ridiculous mindset isn't it? Well realism should take account of past performance as an indicator of future capability so given that we beat both Sunderland and Ipswich last season I wouldn't say that expecting to lose is particularly realistic. If you don't expect us to get results against teams with better resources than us why do you watch? Isn't that a bit of a ridiculous mindset? Wasting your time on dead cert losses? Expectation is a mile away from dead set anything. We lost away at Sunderland last season, and the season before by the way, and didn't play Ipswich at home last season. Ultimately, the point is that the fixture computer gave us a nightmare start and I believe it would be reasonable to give a new squad longer than three league games to make such a final judgement. I am particularly worried because the managers being suggested are so far away from the current one that I believe we'd be looking at least a couple of years, and considerable expense, to completely change the squad again - in that context holding on for a month to give the current personnel a realistic chance doesn't seem so bad.
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Post by stove69 on Sept 28, 2020 15:51:34 GMT
I'm guessing that Wael is pondering making a change i.e. thinking ahead. If things don't go so well with what may be considered slightly easier fixtures, then he may have to pull the trigger. Question is, it can't be a question of who is wanted by him or the fans. Question is, who within budget would want to come? There lies the quandary and that is why I think BG will stay.
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Post by LJG on Sept 28, 2020 16:04:12 GMT
Well realism should take account of past performance as an indicator of future capability so given that we beat both Sunderland and Ipswich last season I wouldn't say that expecting to lose is particularly realistic. If you don't expect us to get results against teams with better resources than us why do you watch? Isn't that a bit of a ridiculous mindset? Wasting your time on dead cert losses? Expectation is a mile away from dead set anything. We lost away at Sunderland last season, and the season before by the way, and didn't play Ipswich at home last season. Ultimately, the point is that the fixture computer gave us a nightmare start and I believe it would be reasonable to give a new squad longer than three league games to make such a final judgement. I am particularly worried because the managers being suggested are so far away from the current one that I believe we'd be looking at least a couple of years, and considerable expense, to completely change the squad again - in that context holding on for a month to give the current personnel a realistic chance doesn't seem so bad. I feel sorry for Leicester, Everton, Leeds and Palace having such bad starts this year having played all those clubs they should be losing to: Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs.
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Post by Rod1883 on Sept 28, 2020 16:47:45 GMT
Two transfer windows. 23 games. 2 wins!!!!!! Despite what looked like some reasonable Summer recruitment on paper, no sign that he has recruited the right players to play his way, or can set them up and give them tactics to suit their abilities. No evidence of any understanding of the nature of League one - the opposition, the refs(!), and the way teams have to mix it up a bit to get results. (Despite what he said about having watched every game last season before he joined). No evidence of a tactical brain to make changes from the sidelines when everyone can see we are being overrun/outplayed etc.
He has to go now before we are so far adrift that no manager or player would want to come here - and of course before the transfer window closes in 2 and a half weeks time. Also to be considered is the real possibility of a points per game approach to decide league positions if the season is curtailed around/just after Christmas again.
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Post by airballoongas on Sept 28, 2020 16:51:02 GMT
It's realism based on knowledge of club resources, playing squads and past results. I know you seem to think that all clubs in the same division are equal but frankly that's a ridiculous mindset isn't it? Well realism should take account of past performance as an indicator of future capability so given that we beat both Sunderland and Ipswich last season I wouldn't say that expecting to lose is particularly realistic. If you don't expect us to get results against teams with better resources than us why do you watch? Isn't that a bit of a ridiculous mindset? Wasting your time on dead cert losses? We don't expect to beat teams with better resources - we hope to. It's what makes those victories all the more sweeter. It's why beating Ipswich lasts longer in the memory than beating Rochdale, it's why we remember beating Derby in the cup more than we remember beating Corby
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Post by richard on Sept 28, 2020 17:00:36 GMT
Expectation is a mile away from dead set anything. We lost away at Sunderland last season, and the season before by the way, and didn't play Ipswich at home last season. Ultimately, the point is that the fixture computer gave us a nightmare start and I believe it would be reasonable to give a new squad longer than three league games to make such a final judgement. I am particularly worried because the managers being suggested are so far away from the current one that I believe we'd be looking at least a couple of years, and considerable expense, to completely change the squad again - in that context holding on for a month to give the current personnel a realistic chance doesn't seem so bad. I feel sorry for Leicester, Everton, Leeds and Palace having such bad starts this year having played all those clubs they should be losing to: Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs. I assume you've bet on each of them to win the Premier League? Your understanding of probability is dreadful - I literally can't be bothered to argue with you on it as you're either stupid or deliberately obtuse.
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Post by LJG on Sept 28, 2020 17:31:16 GMT
I feel sorry for Leicester, Everton, Leeds and Palace having such bad starts this year having played all those clubs they should be losing to: Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs. I assume you've bet on each of them to win the Premier League? Your understanding of probability is dreadful - I literally can't be bothered to argue with you on it as you're either stupid or deliberately obtuse. It's got nothing to do with probability. Your understanding of instilling a competitive club spirit is dreadful - I literally can't be bothered to argue with you on it as you're either stupid or deliberately obtuse. You deserve the performances we're getting.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 28, 2020 17:50:44 GMT
I assume you've bet on each of them to win the Premier League? Your understanding of probability is dreadful - I literally can't be bothered to argue with you on it as you're either stupid or deliberately obtuse. It's got nothing to do with probability. Your understanding of instilling a competitive club spirit is dreadful - I literally can't be bothered to argue with you on it as you're either stupid or deliberately obtuse. You deserve the performances we're getting. careful Ben's boys will accuse you of being negative if you think you believe you should be winning matches in this division
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Post by Icegas on Sept 28, 2020 18:33:57 GMT
Two transfer windows. 23 games. 2 wins!!!!!! Despite what looked like some reasonable Summer recruitment on paper, no sign that he has recruited the right players to play his way, or can set them up and give them tactics to suit their abilities. No evidence of any understanding of the nature of League one - the opposition, the refs(!), and the way teams have to mix it up a bit to get results. (Despite what he said about having watched every game last season before he joined). No evidence of a tactical brain to make changes from the sidelines when everyone can see we are being overrun/outplayed etc. He has to go now before we are so far adrift that no manager or player would want to come here - and of course before the transfer window closes in 2 and a half weeks time. Also to be considered is the real possibility of a points per game approach to decide league positions if the season is curtailed around/just after Christmas again. Such a good post.I'm the point.👍
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 28, 2020 18:57:53 GMT
I’ve been staring at the different options and I really don’t know where I stand! Part of me wants a fresh face but a big part of me wonders if the new man will be able to get these players now playing a different way.
Part of me says give him another month but then another voice says that’s wishful thinking and the window is then shut!
I wonder if Wael is sat with his finger over any of the boxes and if so which one? The only one that counts!
With reflection I’d say Wael will give him another 5 or 6 games and then I suppose we will all know where we are! Gonna be a bumpy ride!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 19:12:54 GMT
For me tisdale is the only suitable replacement. I think its a good fit for multiple reasons, other than that im struggling to see a good fit for the clubs new model that has any form of experience. I think this very much a long term plan but we really need results too. Its a hard one even though i openly dislike BG.the old model was unsustainable, so i guess we just need to suck it up for a few seasons and find our level. Wael cant throw money at everything.
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