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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 28, 2020 19:22:55 GMT
Have you been through a crate of special brew or something? certainly been in something He's being satirical. Please, no more satire, thanks.
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Post by yetigas on Sept 28, 2020 22:27:47 GMT
I'm discounting the 11 who voted to keep him even if we're relegated because I'm assuming they're teds. I haven't seen a post from anybody saying they'd still like him to be in charge next season even if we're in L2. That means currently out of 139 votes: 67 - Want him gone now. 20 - Saturday is make or break. 12 - 4 more games 40 - 8 more game. So as it stands 48% want him gone today. However, is we lose on Saturday that goes up to 63%. Sorry Gasattack but its a very poorly designed poll with limited options. There's no option that says about next season. And the last option to 'keep him regardless' does not say regardless of what and for how long. So I don't think you can draw any conclusions from the voting at all. I voted for the last option because I think if you appoint a manager with an agenda to play a different style of football (which is what many on this forum were crying out for even when GC was winning games) then you don't sack him after 3 games against some of the divisions stronger teams, with a team largely of new players, most of whom are young, and several key players out injured. We do not have great strength in depth so when Nicholson is out we lose a key cutting edge - personally I think he is an exciting player and will do well this year - we have missed him badly in the last 2 games. We also had other key players out injured (Hare, Rodman) which left us imbalanced. People on this forum look for the negatives and, sadly, I am sure will continue to do so - moaning and whinging is the nature of many Gasheads. Before the season started I expected us to finish midtable and still expect that. And yes, I would expect BG to be here at he end of the season - thankfully I think Wael has more backbone and more patience than most of this forum.
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Post by GasAttacK on Sept 29, 2020 8:36:25 GMT
I'm discounting the 11 who voted to keep him even if we're relegated because I'm assuming they're teds. I haven't seen a post from anybody saying they'd still like him to be in charge next season even if we're in L2. That means currently out of 139 votes: 67 - Want him gone now. 20 - Saturday is make or break. 12 - 4 more games 40 - 8 more game. So as it stands 48% want him gone today. However, is we lose on Saturday that goes up to 63%. Sorry Gasattack but its a very poorly designed poll with limited options. There's no option that says about next season. And the last option to 'keep him regardless' does not say regardless of what and for how long. So I don't think you can draw any conclusions from the voting at all. I voted for the last option because I think if you appoint a manager with an agenda to play a different style of football (which is what many on this forum were crying out for even when GC was winning games) then you don't sack him after 3 games against some of the divisions stronger teams, with a team largely of new players, most of whom are young, and several key players out injured. We do not have great strength in depth so when Nicholson is out we lose a key cutting edge - personally I think he is an exciting player and will do well this year - we have missed him badly in the last 2 games. We also had other key players out injured (Hare, Rodman) which left us imbalanced. People on this forum look for the negatives and, sadly, I am sure will continue to do so - moaning and whinging is the nature of many Gasheads. Before the season started I expected us to finish midtable and still expect that. And yes, I would expect BG to be here at he end of the season - thankfully I think Wael has more backbone and more patience than most of this forum. Disagree. Many don't bother to read the OP and therefore don't know what they're voting for.
This isn't a poll asking if you believe performances and results will improve on Saturday, next week or in 4 weeks time, it's simply asking where you would draw the line if we don't see improvement.
I'll add the above line to the OP but it clearly says 'stick with him regardless' means even if we're relegated.
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Post by yaz on Sept 29, 2020 12:23:18 GMT
I'm discounting the 11 who voted to keep him even if we're relegated because I'm assuming they're teds. I haven't seen a post from anybody saying they'd still like him to be in charge next season even if we're in L2. That means currently out of 139 votes: 67 - Want him gone now. 20 - Saturday is make or break. 12 - 4 more games 40 - 8 more game. So as it stands 48% want him gone today. However, is we lose on Saturday that goes up to 63%. 139 votes in total to decide the fate of a manager of a club with: - probably far more full time personnel, ie. trainers, assistants, medical, commercial, etc. - more part time stewards - normally around 6,000 season ticket supporters etc. Final decisions lie with owners and board for a largely privately owned organisation. A poll may try to garner feelings on a subject, and may be a pointer to the future (hopes) of participants, 139 as a sample is far too small and may not be representative of the total interested parties as it is derived from participants in a specific forum, most Gasheads would probably agree with the results of this survey as reflecting their views? We have played 3 games, 2 away, against 3 of the anticipated strongest teams in the league, who all now sit in the top 4 of the league and we have garnered a point from a possible 9. Pre season, so many were saying that a point from these first 3 games would be acceptable but it looks like many are disappointed with our style of play and what looks like a very weak defence? Personally, I would base my opinion on how we play, ie. set up, creativity, defence, substitutions, game management, etc. So far, it hasn't looked promising and doesn't look so for the near future. The next 3/4 league games are key I would say. The Rule of 6 then kicks in and if we have 6 or less points, that does not bode well for the rest of the season? The club / owner has approached 2020 pre season start with a great commitment in so many aspects / facets of its organisation but the time may soon come when 2020 vision may be needed to make a complete change in the club's management direction? This will surely be before we enter 2021? UTG
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Sept 29, 2020 12:45:32 GMT
It’s too early in the season to pull the trigger. Who would replace him?
It might just be that the defeats are against teams nailed on for promotion?
There have been spells where you can see what he is trying to achieve. Some responsibility should also lie with the players, but they always seem immune to this sort of situation.
It’s still very early doors, no need to panic just yet.
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Post by baggins on Sept 29, 2020 12:48:54 GMT
It’s too early in the season to pull the trigger. Who would replace him? It might just be that the defeats are against teams nailed on for promotion? There have been spells where you can see what he is trying to achieve. Some responsibility should also lie with the players, but they always seem immune to this sort of situation. It’s still very early doors, no need to panic just yet. Agreed. Although I had a few too many after the Doncaster game and thought he needs to go, immediately.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 29, 2020 12:56:45 GMT
It’s a no from me. It’s complicated by the fact that he’s just brought in so many of his players, but it’s getting to the time where we need to see that there is better to come. I’ve gone for 8 games for the purposes of this poll but it could equally be a bit less if there’s no improvement or a bit more if there are clear signs.
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Post by casey12a on Sept 29, 2020 13:16:25 GMT
I hope Wael is looking at replacements now, we need somebody who can come straight in and go when he does get sacked. We don't want another few weeks looking for a new manager. Sadly 10 or 12 games with only 5 or 6 points could be fatal this season.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 29, 2020 13:19:27 GMT
It’s a no from me. It’s complicated by the fact that he’s just brought in so many of his players, but it’s getting to the time where we need to see that there is better to come. I’ve gone for 8 games for the purposes of this poll but it could equally be a bit less if there’s no improvement or a bit more if there are clear signs. Yeah they all seemed to mention BG being an integral part of them signing for us and buying into his 'vision'. Cant imagine they are happy comfortably losing every game though, so something has to give..
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Post by Rod1883 on Sept 29, 2020 14:24:50 GMT
So if they all buy into his vision, why aren't they out there performing and showing how good this vision is?
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Post by TugPhase on Sept 29, 2020 14:46:15 GMT
A poll may try to garner feelings on a subject Nice
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Post by peterparker on Sept 29, 2020 14:55:05 GMT
It’s a no from me. It’s complicated by the fact that he’s just brought in so many of his players, but it’s getting to the time where we need to see that there is better to come. I’ve gone for 8 games for the purposes of this poll but it could equally be a bit less if there’s no improvement or a bit more if there are clear signs. Yeah they all seemed to mention BG being an integral part of them signing for us and buying into his 'vision'. Cant imagine they are happy comfortably losing every game though, so something has to give.. Vision may or may not equal the money we offered
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 29, 2020 15:08:45 GMT
Yeah they all seemed to mention BG being an integral part of them signing for us and buying into his 'vision'. Cant imagine they are happy comfortably losing every game though, so something has to give.. Vision may or may not equal the money we offered Or even “I’m going to have you in my starting 11. You’re going to be an important player with us playing exciting football and we will be fighting for promotion. This time next year you’ll be a championship player making monies” In which case he’s hoodwinked them like he hoodwinked our board and many supporters.
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Post by CrispPusher on Sept 29, 2020 16:46:05 GMT
Vision may or may not equal the money we offered Or even “I’m going to have you in my starting 11. You’re going to be an important player with us playing exciting football and we will be fighting for promotion. This time next year you’ll be a championship player making monies” In which case he’s hoodwinked them like he hoodwinked our board and many supporters. Classic confidence trickster, the next 8 games will be no different to the previous 5 or the 20 odd last season.
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Post by socrates on Sept 29, 2020 17:01:05 GMT
For me tisdale is the only suitable replacement. I think its a good fit for multiple reasons, other than that im struggling to see a good fit for the clubs new model that has any form of experience. I think this very much a long term plan but we really need results too. Its a hard one even though i openly dislike BG.the old model was unsustainable, so i guess we just need to suck it up for a few seasons and find our level. Wael cant throw money at everything. I think the old model was sustainable and the fact that we’ve stayed in league 1 for a few years I also think proves it. Obviously we need a training ground - it’s being built and we need a better stadium - not got that , but regarding the football I think Coughlan got it right and DC did until he did his badges. I don’t think Garners way is sustainable I think it will put us in league 2
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Post by madgas on Sept 29, 2020 17:23:13 GMT
I'm just documenting my support.
Think BG and the team will turn this around.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 17:25:02 GMT
For me tisdale is the only suitable replacement. I think its a good fit for multiple reasons, other than that im struggling to see a good fit for the clubs new model that has any form of experience. I think this very much a long term plan but we really need results too. Its a hard one even though i openly dislike BG.the old model was unsustainable, so i guess we just need to suck it up for a few seasons and find our level. Wael cant throw money at everything. I think the old model was sustainable and the fact that we’ve stayed in league 1 for a few years I also think proves it. Obviously we need a training ground - it’s being built and we need a better stadium - not got that , but regarding the football I think Coughlan got it right and DC did until he did his badges. I don’t think Garners way is sustainable I think it will put us in league 2 I’m not sure you can use our time in league one as an example of sustainability. Prior to Dwane sports taking over the debt was some 3-5 million. Then Dwane took over pretty much just before our run in league one and during that time the debt rocketed to some 18 million with Wael telling us ~97p in the pound was going on player wages. A debt increase of some 10 million plus just to stand still in league one! Of course that doesn’t mean we have to throw the baby out with the bath water and subsist (in a footballing sense) on inexperienced youth . Other clubs smaller than us seem to afford older pros. We just need to be smarter about how we spend our money. That being said perhaps we are also hampered by location. It’s probably easier for northern clubs smaller than us to pick up experience cheaper because the stakes are lower for those players than moving down south where the cost of living is greater and there are less clubs at our level nearby if it doesn’t work out. So perhaps that’s part of the reason why we end up paying over the odds. Either way I don’t think this desire to build the club up on youth whilst being competitive at league one is going to work out long term. The signs are already there that we are cannon fodder for sides with a bit of nous.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Sept 29, 2020 18:12:46 GMT
On the plus side we'll have one of the best training grounds in league 2
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2020 18:28:24 GMT
I think the old model was sustainable and the fact that we’ve stayed in league 1 for a few years I also think proves it. Obviously we need a training ground - it’s being built and we need a better stadium - not got that , but regarding the football I think Coughlan got it right and DC did until he did his badges. I don’t think Garners way is sustainable I think it will put us in league 2 I’m not sure you can use our time in league one as an example of sustainability. Prior to Dwane sports taking over the debt was some 3-5 million. Then Dwane took over pretty much just before our run in league one and during that time the debt rocketed to some 18 million with Wael telling us ~97p in the pound was going on player wages. A debt increase of some 10 million plus just to stand still in league one! Of course that doesn’t mean we have to throw the baby out with the bath water and subsist (in a footballing sense) on inexperienced youth . Other clubs smaller than us seem to afford older pros. We just need to be smarter about how we spend our money. That being said perhaps we are also hampered by location. It’s probably easier for northern clubs smaller than us to pick up experience cheaper because the stakes are lower for those players than moving down south where the cost of living is greater and there are less clubs at our level nearby if it doesn’t work out. So perhaps that’s part of the reason why we end up paying over the odds. Either way I don’t think this desire to build the club up on youth whilst being competitive at league one is going to work out long term. The signs are already there that we are cannon fodder for sides with a bit of nous. 97p in the pound was spent on the club's overall employee wages not just players wages, which were capped at 60% of turnover. GC put a team together which was clearly capable of winning games at this level, there's no logic in throwing away what he'd built to start again with an inexperienced manager trying to play a totally different style of football with basically inexperienced players.
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Post by fanatical on Sept 29, 2020 19:49:23 GMT
It’s a no from me. It’s complicated by the fact that he’s just brought in so many of his players, but it’s getting to the time where we need to see that there is better to come. I’ve gone for 8 games for the purposes of this poll but it could equally be a bit less if there’s no improvement or a bit more if there are clear signs. Pretty obvious he has been told to reduce the wage bill so is bringing in kids on lower wages. Now, somehow, he has to get the kids to produce enough points to keep us in the division. Poor s*d, he is on to a hiding and eventually the sack. See you in the 4TH division guys.
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