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Post by Hudson1883 on Oct 10, 2020 16:41:58 GMT
Immediately eh? Strewth.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 10, 2020 16:49:58 GMT
I feel that today's win is far more important and impressive than beating a water poor 10 man Northampton.
If he can pick up 6 or 7 points from the next few games he may well start to win me over.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 10, 2020 17:15:13 GMT
I guess the poll proves that 40% of the forum users know f all about football, it's hard to believe that after 4 league & cup games we'd normally expect to lose anyway that they all wanted BG sacked because we failed to win any of them! Yea, cos he wasn't manager of the previous 20 matches!? Reset the clock when it suits.
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Post by cockergas on Oct 10, 2020 17:21:58 GMT
I guess the poll proves that 40% of the forum users know f all about football, it's hard to believe that after 4 league & cup games we'd normally expect to lose anyway that they all wanted BG sacked because we failed to win any of them! Yea, cos he wasn't manager of the previous 20 matches!? Reset the clock when it suits. not sure it proves they know nothing about football, more they are impatient and want results, which is nothing new. Pleased Wael stuck with Ben and showed patience. Clearly not something that our friend o2o2bo2ba would every endorse
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 10, 2020 17:27:43 GMT
I guess the poll proves that 40% of the forum users know f all about football, it's hard to believe that after 4 league & cup games we'd normally expect to lose anyway that they all wanted BG sacked because we failed to win any of them! Yea, cos he wasn't manager of the previous 20 matches!? Reset the clock when it suits. It depends what side of the fence you sit on some of us won't beat him with last season as it wasn't his side, he wanted to change things and get us to play and the players were not good enough to do it. Also with the personal problems he had it was a nightmare start for him. Now he has his side and you can see what he wants to do so we judge from now. Others cannot forgive last season as GC had us in a high position and wanted the success to continue. GC walked for numerous reasons some we will never know and our owner decided to roll the dice and bring in an inexperienced manager and change the while ethos of the club. Was BG correct to try and change things so quickly we will see but after watching today it was far more entertaining then anything I seen under GC.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 10, 2020 17:32:06 GMT
Yea, cos he wasn't manager of the previous 20 matches!? Reset the clock when it suits. not sure it proves they know nothing about football, more they are impatient and want results, which is nothing new. Pleased Wael stuck with Ben and showed patience. Clearly not something that our friend o2o2bo2ba would every endorse Unfortunately we've (the general 'we') have become polarised in our stances. A win away to Lincoln after 10 months not winning away appears to have reinforced the BG in stance that they're right. A draw and subsequent loss on penalties a few days before appears to have reinforced the BG out stance that they're right. I'm trying to be objective on what I've seen with my own eyes and not forget. Not forget we were truly dire away to Southend....and more recently, Doncaster amongst other performances. We're all Gas and I still continue to admire the blind loyalty some give by just pushing the 'give it more time' agenda (imo) in denial of evidence before them....hey, today it works, great. I'm happy it worked. The club is bigger than me.. I still think we are in desperate need of a proven goalscorer. A striker. And play him with Hanlan. BG said today we are in profit with his acquisition and release of high earners. Because 2 strikers isn't enough. Imho.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 10, 2020 17:36:04 GMT
Yea, cos he wasn't manager of the previous 20 matches!? Reset the clock when it suits. It depends what side of the fence you sit on some of us won't beat him with last season as it wasn't his side BG had a whole transfer window and brought in his own players, (Timmy Abraham for example?) so it was his side, his team, his tactics, his non reading if the game that evolved in front of him, his strategy, his substitutions, and ultimately his excuses. But like I said before, some reset the clock to suit.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Oct 10, 2020 17:36:51 GMT
Yea, cos he wasn't manager of the previous 20 matches!? Reset the clock when it suits. not sure it proves they know nothing about football, more they are impatient and want results, which is nothing new. Pleased Wael stuck with Ben and showed patience. Clearly not something that our friend o2o2bo2ba would every endorse I agree. And I also think it’s understandable fans ran out of patience. The fate of our football club has a massive impact on us and after the awful end to last season we looked like we could be in free fall. I think knowing what we know now, though, it is only right to judge Garner on this season’s results, not last. Last year was not just a painful transition football-wise but also Garner’s family health-shock has to have been a major factor. He may have no managerial experience but Garner has good coaching experience and given that this is where his talents lie, it’s also fair enough that progress would take time. Also, look at today’s line-up. Daly and Harries were the only outfield players who were here in January and neither of them were regulars. It’s a massive turnaround of players. It is now unequivocally his team. No hangovers from the old regime, no Coughlan loyalists. Don’t forget that GC’s sudden departure also would have had a massive destabilising effect on the squad. It’s a great win today and we’re in good form. That’s enough for now. We’ll see where we are at Christmas, but it’s very pleasing to see so many improved performances individually and that the players are putting their bodies on the line for the collective result. For all their youth, they don’t look like shrinking violets. Also, it was refreshing that after we scored the winner we didn’t sit back and invite pressure as in the recent past. The players looked more capable of keeping the ball. Long may this continue!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 10, 2020 17:37:39 GMT
not sure it proves they know nothing about football, more they are impatient and want results, which is nothing new. Pleased Wael stuck with Ben and showed patience. Clearly not something that our friend o2o2bo2ba would every endorse Unfortunately we've (the general 'we') have become polarised in our stances. A win away to Lincoln after 10 months not winning away appears to have reinforced the BG in stance that they're right. A draw and subsequent loss on penalties a few days before appears to have reinforced the BG out stance that they're right. I'm trying to be objective on what I've seen with my own eyes and not forget. Not forget we were truly dire away to Southend....and more recently, Doncaster amongst other performances. We're all Gas and I still continue to admire the blind loyalty some give by just pushing the 'give it more time' agenda (imo) in denial of evidence before them....hey, today it works, great. I'm happy it worked. The club is bigger than me.. I still think we are in desperate need of a proven goalscorer. A striker. And play him with Hanlan. BG said today we are in profit with his acquisition and release of high earners. Because 2 strikers isn't enough. Imho. I'm yet to be convinced but I cant see BG getting sacked if he finally puts a run of results together.
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Post by toddy1953 on Oct 10, 2020 17:40:00 GMT
I guess the poll proves that 40% of the forum users know f all about football, it's hard to believe that after 4 league & cup games we'd normally expect to lose anyway that they all wanted BG sacked because we failed to win any of them! From what I’ve read on here over the last few years, I think that figure is more like 99.9% 😁
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Post by Hudson1883 on Oct 10, 2020 17:40:45 GMT
Three very convincing performances in a row (one with 9 changes made) we are improving week on week, yet some will never let go of whatever went on last season with a completely different squad. Which is bizarre. We are 5 games in, 7 points from 15. As a squad we are performing nowhere near as terribly as some will have you believe. Judge the current lads on their own performances in the 2020/21 campaign, not January to March of this year.
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Post by yetigas on Oct 10, 2020 17:45:18 GMT
Interesting interview with Michael Appleton the Lincoln manager who had a similar clear out as Garner has done with Rovers - and admitting it was a huge risk. There are risks of course, but what Wael and BG are doing is introducing a new model which will take time to get up to speed. It has involved bringing a lot of promising new young players presumably because they are more coach-able and also cheaper. Although this was started before the pandemic, the emergence of Covid and the loss of revenue has reinforced the thinking that this is the right policy. There is really no point looking at last season and complaining about lack of wins - I am sure BG would have liked more wins but I would imagine that he used the time mainly to find out who was capable of playing in his system and showing the door to those who would not fit in (or were too expensive under the wage cap). A complete new team takes time to gel however good they are. The last 3 games have shown that the players are beginning to play to this system much better, and its fair to assume that they will improve more and more as the season progresses. It would be great to think we could achieve the playoffs - maybe we can if we get good momentum after Christmas - but with a young team we have to expect inconsistencies, so I feel finishing in the top half would be a good achievement this season. Whatever happens, I would hope that fans, like Wael, have patience with this team and really encourage the youngsters. The signs today and in the last 2 games offer real hope - but let's try and avoid more meltdowns each time we fail to win!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 10, 2020 17:48:57 GMT
Three very convincing performances in a row (one with 9 changes made) we are improving week on week, yet some will never let go of whatever went on last season with a completely different squad. Which is bizarre. We are 5 games in, 7 points from 15. As a squad we are performing nowhere near as terribly as some will have you believe. Judge the current lads on their own performances in the 2020/21 campaign, not January to March of this year. Like I said, some reset the clock to suit. BG statistical record as a manager is awful. Period. Until that changes, all the time invested in watching what I've seen won't change my opinion. It's an encouraging October. Perhaps manager of the month award pending I'm yet to be convinced. Maybe we have different standards..
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 10, 2020 17:52:20 GMT
It depends what side of the fence you sit on some of us won't beat him with last season as it wasn't his side BG had a whole transfer window and brought in his own players, (Timmy Abraham for example?) so it was his side, his team, his tactics, his non reading if the game that evolved in front of him, his strategy, his substitutions, and ultimately his excuses. But like I said before, some reset the clock to suit. But not exactly what I said yes he bought in some of his own players but a January transfer window is not a good way to judge as the players he obviously wanted were not available at the time or would have cost over the odds. Players like Daly and Harries were bought in but not played for one reason or another and the players that were here were given a chance to impress which the majority didn't. Just remind where are these players that were released now? The summer market has more players released, out of contract or just want to move to get regular football. Yes he made mistakes last season but alot of raw managers do it's learning from them that counts. It's not resetting the clock it's seeing things differently.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 10, 2020 18:01:16 GMT
BG had a whole transfer window and brought in his own players, (Timmy Abraham for example?) so it was his side, his team, his tactics, his non reading if the game that evolved in front of him, his strategy, his substitutions, and ultimately his excuses. But like I said before, some reset the clock to suit. It's not resetting the clock it's seeing things differently. Well you say tomato, and I say tomato. Interesting. BG doesn't have his own team or squad, yet brings in his own players....is allowed to make mistakes, of course (because as you rightly say where are the releasers now?) and credit for the ones he has released, yet we'll ignore BG record.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 10, 2020 18:05:52 GMT
You reset the clock at the start of every new season. That’s the point.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 10, 2020 18:11:14 GMT
You reset the clock at the start of every new season. That’s the point. Ah I see. In that case, DC awful manager. Don't we accumulate the results anymore?
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Post by cockergas on Oct 10, 2020 18:24:19 GMT
You reset the clock at the start of every new season. That’s the point. Ah I see. In that case, DC awful manager. Don't we accumulate the results anymore? sure if we won the league this year you would still be harping on about last season, and how BG still only has a 42% win rate
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 10, 2020 18:34:40 GMT
Ah I see. In that case, DC awful manager. Don't we accumulate the results anymore? sure if we won the league this year you would still be harping on about last season, and how BG still only has a 42% win rate And I rest my case. The post is as deluded as a first away win in 10 months = everything is fine. 43% win ratio and I'm all yours..
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 10, 2020 18:37:26 GMT
It’s very easy to come on here and suggest after 2 good wins and a good draw that BG has turned the corner and that’s negatives are miserable naysayers and got it all wrong.
But last seasons squad weren’t bad players, evidenced where they were at Christmas. I can’t forgive him for where we were and the form we showed under him up until the summer. That’s right. Not without a strong October to prove he’s a football manager. The odd win here or there won’t convince me otherwise.
I want a manager who gives me confidence we can have a go for promotion and try and push forwards. If we have a manager that doesn’t give us that confidence then what’s the point?
I really don’t get all this he’s a nice guy, he plays attacking football. Because I haven’t seen it any more with BG than I have with GC. I don’t care for it being pretty, I want to see results and us progres as a football club. Today’s result gets me off his back but it doesn’t convince me he’s the man to take us to the next level.
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