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Post by Gassy on Jan 11, 2021 10:37:39 GMT
But you pretty much have blamed them. Instead of looking at police killing people, you've suggested that the victims should know better: "They knew what they were doing". Society is backwards if we think like that. It's the equivalent of blaming a woman for being sexually harassed because of what she's wearing. You say you're pointing out the hypocrisy, but please point out the hypocrite on this forum. As you've based much of your argument on OB's comment "no sympathy", we can only assume that the hypocrites are on this forum. So who has said something to make them such a hypocrite? "In America if you commit crimes, carry weapons or resist instructions" - So remind me in this list what Breonna did here that means she should die at the hands of the police? The funny thing is that I'm not even saying it was police brutality, I'm saying that this white lady being killer is not the same as George of Breonna. Let's try it from another angle. Black people die during riots all the time, right? This is pretty much a fact. When black people die during a riot, how many of them do we discuss in depth? How many protests are there about the individual killing? Sure police brutality is mentioned (as it's been mentioned on the capitol riots), but that will always happen when police use any force. The fact is that those who die whilst rioting are rarely talked about because guess what, a police officer asked them to stop with a gun pointed at them and they continued. What you're comparing as the same thing, is a white woman who rioted and attacked the government, police, secret service (you name it) and was killed, with an innocent lady who was asleep at home and shot. Are you honestly saying that's the same thing? Please answer clearly because I really struggle to see how someone thinks they're the same. You're right Breonna Taylor shouldn't of died, but she didn't die because of the actions of the Police, she died because her boyfriend started shooting at Police. Should the Police of just let him fire at will until he killed them? They fired back and unfortunately bullets hit her and she lost her life. She died at the hands of her criminal partner. Lets get it right. I admit the Breonna Taylor case is slightly different as she was killed, not her boyfriend. But George Floyd, Jacob Blake and the Woman in the Capital Building were all killed or shot by Law Enforcement for committing crimes, resisting arrest or not following instructions. Most cases in which people who are killed by Law Enforcement, as rare as it is, are the same. They commit a crime,resist arrest or dont follow clear instruction. George Floyd shouldn't have died either. The Jacob one is debatable as is the rioter. The deeper you get into Breonna's case the more complex it gets tbh with officers not shouting police, they weren't wearing uniforms etc, but at the end of the day she was an innocent accidentally killed by police. It is completely different, not slightly, than a white rioter being shot. What you've done is group all crimes together as if they deserve punishment. Would you say the same for FranceGas' example of a child stealing toffee from a sweet shop? George Floyd resisted arrest and he was pinned down - the scenario is over. The problem is that he was then killed after that. As you said, let's get it right. On top of that, he never should have been arrested for the scenario that happened. If you suspect someone to use a fake $20 note, you don't immediately arrest them, that's just bad policing. I note that you couldn't show where the hypocrisy has come from on this forum, seeming as that's the part that seems to get to you so much. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 11, 2021 11:23:34 GMT
You're right Breonna Taylor shouldn't of died, but she didn't die because of the actions of the Police, she died because her boyfriend started shooting at Police. Should the Police of just let him fire at will until he killed them? They fired back and unfortunately bullets hit her and she lost her life. She died at the hands of her criminal partner. Lets get it right. I admit the Breonna Taylor case is slightly different as she was killed, not her boyfriend. But George Floyd, Jacob Blake and the Woman in the Capital Building were all killed or shot by Law Enforcement for committing crimes, resisting arrest or not following instructions. Most cases in which people who are killed by Law Enforcement, as rare as it is, are the same. They commit a crime,resist arrest or dont follow clear instruction. What you've done is group all crimes together as if they deserve punishment. Would you say the same for FranceGas' example of a child stealing toffee from a sweet shop? I note that you couldn't show where the hypocrisy has come from on this forum, seeming as that's the part that seems to get to you so much. I'm not grouping all crimes together, I'm just highlighting the difference in hysteria and outrage. But on that note, I've mentioned this before the severity of force or punishment is usually determined by who the person is. George Floyd may have been caught using a countetfeit $20 but he has a long history of violent crimes, armed robberys etc, that was probably taken into account, a bit different to a kid commiting a first offence nicking sweets from the Pick N Mix. I am sure if Charles Bronson was ever released from prison and commited another crime he would be dealt with differently to a kid committing his first offence. On your 2nd point, I didn't reply to it because I didn't feel the need too. Just for clarity, I wasn't necessarily stating that the hypocrisy was all coming from this forum, more of generally across the board. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 11, 2021 11:34:30 GMT
What you've done is group all crimes together as if they deserve punishment. Would you say the same for FranceGas' example of a child stealing toffee from a sweet shop? I note that you couldn't show where the hypocrisy has come from on this forum, seeming as that's the part that seems to get to you so much. I'm not grouping all crimes together, I'm just highlighting the difference in hysteria and outrage. But on that note, I've mentioned this before the severity of force or punishment is usually determined by who the person is. George Floyd may have been caught using a countetfeit $20 but he has a long history of violent crimes, armed robberys etc, that was probably taken into account, a bit different to a kid commiting a first offence nicking sweets from the Pick N Mix. I am sure if Charles Bronson was ever released from prison and commited another crime he would be dealt with differently to a kid committing his first offence. On your 2nd point, I didn't reply to it because I didn't feel the need too. Just for clarity, I wasn't necessarily stating that the hypocrisy was all coming from this forum, more of generally across the board. Well exactly, because they're different crimes. If this lady was suspected of having a $20 note and was minding her own business, yeah they'd be a lot of outcry. There is already outcry about her death and she was rioting, imagine if she wasn't doing anything! Well what you're saying on George Floyd is all speculation. Firstly it was suspected he had a fake $20 note, not confirmed and the shop keeper called the police and gave a description. The police then found him and arrested him for it - they had no way of knowing at the time his history or whether he actually committed the crime or not. They tried to arrest him, he resisted and then they killed him. Notice I haven't argued against the Jacob case because I agree with you. But on George Floyd, you're using the benefit of hindsight and justifying why police killed him - when there is absolutely no justification for his death. And fair enough on the last point, as you were directly quoting the forum, I thought you hypocrisy statements were aimed here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 12:22:22 GMT
Seems the US government might try to sweep the whole thing under the rug and not address the causes of the problems.
So expect things to get much tastier especially with the pendemic they have which is almost as bad as the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 12:23:27 GMT
I'm not grouping all crimes together, I'm just highlighting the difference in hysteria and outrage. But on that note, I've mentioned this before the severity of force or punishment is usually determined by who the person is. George Floyd may have been caught using a countetfeit $20 but he has a long history of violent crimes, armed robberys etc, that was probably taken into account, a bit different to a kid commiting a first offence nicking sweets from the Pick N Mix. I am sure if Charles Bronson was ever released from prison and commited another crime he would be dealt with differently to a kid committing his first offence. On your 2nd point, I didn't reply to it because I didn't feel the need too. Just for clarity, I wasn't necessarily stating that the hypocrisy was all coming from this forum, more of generally across the board. Well exactly, because they're different crimes. If this lady was suspected of having a $20 note and was minding her own business, yeah they'd be a lot of outcry. There is already outcry about her death and she was rioting, imagine if she wasn't doing anything! Well what you're saying on George Floyd is all speculation. Firstly it was suspected he had a fake $20 note, not confirmed and the shop keeper called the police and gave a description. The police then found him and arrested him for it - they had no way of knowing at the time his history or whether he actually committed the crime or not. They tried to arrest him, he resisted and then they killed him. Notice I haven't argued against the Jacob case because I agree with you. But on George Floyd, you're using the benefit of hindsight and justifying why police killed him - when there is absolutely no justification for his death. And fair enough on the last point, as you were directly quoting the forum, I thought you hypocrisy statements were aimed here. Could I ask why the discussion on this thread has been conflated to include the unrelated deaths of Afro Americans at the hands of the police? There is absolutely zero correlation. The indignation of our "friends" on the right (actually that's an insult to bona fide conservative thinking) is just camouflage, cover for the killing of a police officer during a treasonous act of insurrection. Many will go to prison in as a result, quite a number will be fired from their jobs, some will lose their political careers. As this becomes real you will hear the squeals of indignation as the law bites. Don't fall for it. More alarming, for those of us who follow events in the States and have a vested interest, is the degree to which people involved with law enforcement and the military were actually at the mob event, actually supported it. This becomes frighteningly close to a coup, and as the lunatics erected gallows and tried to hunt down named politicians, looks very much like fascism unleashed. |
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Post by axegas on Jan 11, 2021 12:26:44 GMT
Ok then, clearly we're going round in circles. If you some how think a rioter being killed is the same as someone in bed who did nothing wrong, then something really is wrong in society. I'm up for a debate but if you're just going to start blaming the victim for getting killed by police because she had a boyfriend then there is no point even discussing the issue. What next those who died during 9/11 knew a terrorist attack could happen to the US one day, by association - they knew what they were doing. How far do we keep going? I haven't blamed anybody. Again just pointing out the hypocrisy. Black people commit crimes and unfortunately somebody gets hurt or killed, then its always Police brutality. White Woman commits crime and gets killed, its meh, shouldn't of been there, no sympathy. Yeah, we are going round in circles. In America if you commit crimes, carry weapons or resist instructions in a society where part of their culture is around Fire Arms including the Police Force and other authorities then unfortunately people will get shot, get hurt or die. If a white man was killed by being choked from a police officer kneeling on him, there would rightly be outrage and accusations of police brutality. Similarly if a black woman was killed as part of a violent mob trying to break into the capitol building, there would be a lot less sympathy for her than there is for George Floyd. Therefore your claim of hypocrisy falls short, they are just two very different contexts where one police officer has committed an abuse of power to essentially murder someone who was on the floor, defenceless whilst another has defended themselves against a violent insurrection. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 12:28:22 GMT
Well exactly, because they're different crimes. If this lady was suspected of having a $20 note and was minding her own business, yeah they'd be a lot of outcry. There is already outcry about her death and she was rioting, imagine if she wasn't doing anything! Well what you're saying on George Floyd is all speculation. Firstly it was suspected he had a fake $20 note, not confirmed and the shop keeper called the police and gave a description. The police then found him and arrested him for it - they had no way of knowing at the time his history or whether he actually committed the crime or not. They tried to arrest him, he resisted and then they killed him. Notice I haven't argued against the Jacob case because I agree with you. But on George Floyd, you're using the benefit of hindsight and justifying why police killed him - when there is absolutely no justification for his death. And fair enough on the last point, as you were directly quoting the forum, I thought you hypocrisy statements were aimed here. Could I ask why the discussion on this thread has been conflated to include the unrelated deaths of Afro Americans at the hands of the police? There is absolutely zero correlation. The indignation of our "friends" on the right (actually that's an insult to bona fide conservative thinking) is just camouflage, cover for the killing of a police officer during a treasonous act of insurrection. Many will go to prison in as a result, quite a number will be fired from their jobs, some will lose their political careers. As this becomes real you will hear the squeals of indignation as the law bites. Don't fall for it. More alarming, for those of us who follow events in the States and have a vested interest, is the degree to which people involved with law enforcement and the military were actually at the mob event, actually supported it. This becomes frighteningly close to a coup, and as the lunatics erected gallows and tried to hunt down named politicians, looks very much like fascism unleashed. The rioters knew their way around the interior of the building very well. It was all planned and well organised. If it was the left/BLM/antifa that had done the same, I dread to think of the consequences that would be inflicted, the police state would wipe them out violently. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 12:34:20 GMT
Could I ask why the discussion on this thread has been conflated to include the unrelated deaths of Afro Americans at the hands of the police? There is absolutely zero correlation. The indignation of our "friends" on the right (actually that's an insult to bona fide conservative thinking) is just camouflage, cover for the killing of a police officer during a treasonous act of insurrection. Many will go to prison in as a result, quite a number will be fired from their jobs, some will lose their political careers. As this becomes real you will hear the squeals of indignation as the law bites. Don't fall for it. More alarming, for those of us who follow events in the States and have a vested interest, is the degree to which people involved with law enforcement and the military were actually at the mob event, actually supported it. This becomes frighteningly close to a coup, and as the lunatics erected gallows and tried to hunt down named politicians, looks very much like fascism unleashed. The rioters knew their way around the interior of the building very well. It was all planned and well organised. If it was the left/BLM/antifa that had done the same, I dread to think of the consequences that would be inflicted, the police state would wipe them out violently. I agree, however there is zero evidence that the vast majority of the people involved in the groups you mentioned had any intent to overthrow the government of the United States. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 11, 2021 13:21:15 GMT
Well exactly, because they're different crimes. If this lady was suspected of having a $20 note and was minding her own business, yeah they'd be a lot of outcry. There is already outcry about her death and she was rioting, imagine if she wasn't doing anything! Well what you're saying on George Floyd is all speculation. Firstly it was suspected he had a fake $20 note, not confirmed and the shop keeper called the police and gave a description. The police then found him and arrested him for it - they had no way of knowing at the time his history or whether he actually committed the crime or not. They tried to arrest him, he resisted and then they killed him. Notice I haven't argued against the Jacob case because I agree with you. But on George Floyd, you're using the benefit of hindsight and justifying why police killed him - when there is absolutely no justification for his death. And fair enough on the last point, as you were directly quoting the forum, I thought you hypocrisy statements were aimed here. Could I ask why the discussion on this thread has been conflated to include the unrelated deaths of Afro Americans at the hands of the police? There is absolutely zero correlation. The indignation of our "friends" on the right (actually that's an insult to bona fide conservative thinking) is just camouflage, cover for the killing of a police officer during a treasonous act of insurrection. Many will go to prison in as a result, quite a number will be fired from their jobs, some will lose their political careers. As this becomes real you will hear the squeals of indignation as the law bites. Don't fall for it. More alarming, for those of us who follow events in the States and have a vested interest, is the degree to which people involved with law enforcement and the military were actually at the mob event, actually supported it. This becomes frighteningly close to a coup, and as the lunatics erected gallows and tried to hunt down named politicians, looks very much like fascism unleashed. Because Gastafari is trying to say that the argument of police brutality on George Floyd & others is the same level as the lady who was killed at the riots. He's suggesting that its hypocrisy to call police brutality on one, but not the other. I understand where he's coming from, but as I've stated and as axegas and others have states, they are completely different scenarios - they shouldn't be compared. If he had found an example of an innocent white person being killed by police at home, then we'd have an interesting discussion. But on the terms that they are right now, they're incomparable. As you say, it is of no surprise that those on the other side of the spectrum consider potentially using a fake $20 note, to rioting and storming the capitol. Whatever suits a particular narrative I guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 13:27:42 GMT
Could I ask why the discussion on this thread has been conflated to include the unrelated deaths of Afro Americans at the hands of the police? There is absolutely zero correlation. The indignation of our "friends" on the right (actually that's an insult to bona fide conservative thinking) is just camouflage, cover for the killing of a police officer during a treasonous act of insurrection. Many will go to prison in as a result, quite a number will be fired from their jobs, some will lose their political careers. As this becomes real you will hear the squeals of indignation as the law bites. Don't fall for it. More alarming, for those of us who follow events in the States and have a vested interest, is the degree to which people involved with law enforcement and the military were actually at the mob event, actually supported it. This becomes frighteningly close to a coup, and as the lunatics erected gallows and tried to hunt down named politicians, looks very much like fascism unleashed. Because Gastafari is trying to say that the argument of police brutality on George Floyd & others is the same level as the lady who was killed at the riots. He's suggesting that its hypocrisy to call police brutality on one, but not the other. I understand where he's coming from, but as I've stated and as axegas and others have states, they are completely different scenarios - they shouldn't be compared. If he had found an example of an innocent white person being killed by police at home, then we'd have an interesting discussion. But on the terms that they are right now, they're incomparable. As you say, it is of no surprise that those on the other side of the spectrum consider potentially using a fake $20 note, to rioting and storming the capitol. Whatever suits a particular narrative I guess. Yes agreed. But Gastafari has a blinkered libertarian perspective which appears to dictate that it is the responsibility of the individual not to get killed. That's an extreme view of cooperation with police and or authorities. Plus he was a Trump supporter. Nuff said. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 14:10:03 GMT
May sound boring, but the tech exodus from right wing affiliated content is amazing to see.
Parler, a free speech app (lol), like Twitter but for right wingers has been kicked off its servers by Amazon and dumped by its legal representatives.
Looks as tho any social media based in the US is culling any hate speech, could be an interesting turning point for the internet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 14:16:37 GMT
May sound boring, but the tech exodus from right wing affiliated content is amazing to see. Parler, a free speech app (lol), like Twitter but for right wingers has been kicked off its servers by Amazon and dumped by its legal representatives. Looks as tho any social media based in the US is culling any hate speech, could be an interesting turning point for the internet. But we have to be very careful of curtailing free speech. Take it to far and we fall directly into the hands of the type of people at the insurrection. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 11, 2021 14:18:21 GMT
I haven't blamed anybody. Again just pointing out the hypocrisy. Black people commit crimes and unfortunately somebody gets hurt or killed, then its always Police brutality. White Woman commits crime and gets killed, its meh, shouldn't of been there, no sympathy. Yeah, we are going round in circles. In America if you commit crimes, carry weapons or resist instructions in a society where part of their culture is around Fire Arms including the Police Force and other authorities then unfortunately people will get shot, get hurt or die. If a white man was killed by being choked from a police officer kneeling on him, there would rightly be outrage and accusations of police brutality. Similarly if a black woman was killed as part of a violent mob trying to break into the capitol building, there would be a lot less sympathy for her than there is for George Floyd. Therefore your claim of hypocrisy falls short, they are just two very different contexts where one police officer has committed an abuse of power to essentially murder someone who was on the floor, defenceless whilst another has defended themselves against a violent insurrection. That's absolutely nonsense. Sorry. There was a White Man who died where the Police kneeled on him, about 4 years previous to the George Floyd incident. The incident is pretty much identical. There wasn't this level of outrage and accusations of Police Brutality at all. His name was Tony Timpa, go and look him up as I'm sure you don't know his name or know about this incident unlike the George Floyd one. This guy was also disabled with learning difficulties, not a serial mass criminal. Anyway the intitial reply from 365 was spot on, i.e that Twitter post, saying that if you're Black you would be shot. Well, hey presto, a White Woman was killed, meaning that, thst too was a load of nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 14:25:29 GMT
If a white man was killed by being choked from a police officer kneeling on him, there would rightly be outrage and accusations of police brutality. Similarly if a black woman was killed as part of a violent mob trying to break into the capitol building, there would be a lot less sympathy for her than there is for George Floyd. Therefore your claim of hypocrisy falls short, they are just two very different contexts where one police officer has committed an abuse of power to essentially murder someone who was on the floor, defenceless whilst another has defended themselves against a violent insurrection. That's absolutely nonsense. Sorry. There was a White Man who died where the Police kneeled on him, about 4 years previous to the George Floyd incident. The incident is pretty much identical. There wasn't this level of outrage and accusations of Police Brutality at all. His name was Tony Timpa, go and look him up as I'm sure you don't know his name or know about this incident unlike the George Floyd one. This guy was also disabled with learning difficulties, not a serial mass criminal. Anyway the intitial reply from 365 was spot on, i.e that Twitter post, saying that if you're Black you would be shot. Well, hey presto, a White Woman was killed, meaning that, thst too was a load of nonsense. Nope You conveniently avoid circumstances |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 11, 2021 14:33:33 GMT
If a white man was killed by being choked from a police officer kneeling on him, there would rightly be outrage and accusations of police brutality. Similarly if a black woman was killed as part of a violent mob trying to break into the capitol building, there would be a lot less sympathy for her than there is for George Floyd. Therefore your claim of hypocrisy falls short, they are just two very different contexts where one police officer has committed an abuse of power to essentially murder someone who was on the floor, defenceless whilst another has defended themselves against a violent insurrection. That's absolutely nonsense. Sorry. There was a White Man who died where the Police kneeled on him, about 4 years previous to the George Floyd incident. The incident is pretty much identical. There wasn't this level of outrage and accusations of Police Brutality at all. His name was Tony Timpa, go and look him up as I'm sure you don't know his name or know about this incident unlike the George Floyd one. This guy was also disabled with learning difficulties, not a serial mass criminal. Anyway the intitial reply from 365 was spot on, i.e that Twitter post, saying that if you're Black you would be shot. Well, hey presto, a White Woman was killed, meaning that, thst too was a load of nonsense. It didn’t say that at all. It said “to make it here without dying is the epitome of white privilege”. That person made it there without dying. If that was BLM storming the capitol they’d never have been able to breach the building to begin with. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 11, 2021 14:42:45 GMT
Just Googled Tony Timpa.
Autopsy showed he died of the effects of cocaine, physiologic distress of physical restraint on his back (not his neck). Cardiac hypertrophy and bipolar disorder also contributed to his death.
This is after a law suit from the family claiming guess what... police brutality.
So the case isn’t “identical”, there were levels of outrage and there were outcries and law suits for police brutality.
The only argument you can have is that it’s not as popular as Floyd death.
More smear campaigns to suit a narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 14:47:14 GMT
Just Googled Tony Timpa. Autopsy showed he died of the effects of cocaine, physiologic distress of physical restraint on his back (not his neck). Cardiac hypertrophy and bipolar disorder also contributed to his death. This is after a law suit from the family claiming guess what... police brutality. So the case isn’t “identical”, there were levels of outrage and there were outcries and law suits for police brutality. The only argument you can have is that it’s not as popular as Floyd death. More smear campaigns to suit a narrative. Thanks for doing that Gassy Gastafari, you should be ashamed. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 11, 2021 15:00:27 GMT
Just Googled Tony Timpa. Autopsy showed he died of the effects of cocaine, physiologic distress of physical restraint on his back (not his neck). Cardiac hypertrophy and bipolar disorder also contributed to his death. This is after a law suit from the family claiming guess what... police brutality. So the case isn’t “identical”, there were levels of outrage and there were outcries and law suits for police brutality. The only argument you can have is that it’s not as popular as Floyd death. More smear campaigns to suit a narrative. I said it was pretty much identical. George Floyd also had SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. He also had fentanyl and methamphetamine in his system. There wasn't the same level of hysteria or outrage at all, hence why I mentioned it in reply to Axegas. No smear campaign at all, just being balanced yet again. The Police in America shoot and kill people, although its rare. It's the narrative that Police only shoot, kill and injure innocent Black people and that your "White Privilege" will mean you can do pretty much anything without circumstance. Ashli Babbit's "White Privilege" got her far didn't it? |
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Post by axegas on Jan 11, 2021 15:06:17 GMT
If a white man was killed by being choked from a police officer kneeling on him, there would rightly be outrage and accusations of police brutality. Similarly if a black woman was killed as part of a violent mob trying to break into the capitol building, there would be a lot less sympathy for her than there is for George Floyd. Therefore your claim of hypocrisy falls short, they are just two very different contexts where one police officer has committed an abuse of power to essentially murder someone who was on the floor, defenceless whilst another has defended themselves against a violent insurrection. That's absolutely nonsense. Sorry. There was a White Man who died where the Police kneeled on him, about 4 years previous to the George Floyd incident. The incident is pretty much identical. There wasn't this level of outrage and accusations of Police Brutality at all. His name was Tony Timpa, go and look him up as I'm sure you don't know his name or know about this incident unlike the George Floyd one. This guy was also disabled with learning difficulties, not a serial mass criminal. Anyway the intitial reply from 365 was spot on, i.e that Twitter post, saying that if you're Black you would be shot. Well, hey presto, a White Woman was killed, meaning that, thst too was a load of nonsense. Hang on a minute you were claiming hypocrisy that an unarmed black man was choked by a white police officers knee attracted outrage but a white women attacking a police officer in an attempt to storm a chamber of democracy didn’t quite attract the same level of sympathy. My point was just to illustrate that this is not the case as the circumstances are very different and if roles were reversed, your implication that racial bias had something to do with it doesn’t stand up either. You bring up this guy Tony Timpa, I’m guessing part of the reason that his case isn’t as widely known about is because body cam footage of the event wasn’t released into the public domain until 3 years after it had happened, footage of George Floyd’s murder was circulated soon after it had happened and believe me this makes a lot of difference into today’s social media driven world. Posters above have suggested other reasons. The irony is though that the much maligned on here Black Lives Matter movement has in fact helped push the family of this man’s fight for justice back into the public eye, it’s helped police brutality in the United States become a more talked about issue. So even if you disagree with instances of police brutality against black people gaining more attention due to the countries history of racial segregation and statistics that show the risk of being killed by police use of force are higher for ethnic minorities (I’ll leave a link). Surely it must be viewed as a good thing that as a result, instances of police brutality against all races are gaining more attention. www.pnas.org/content/pnas/116/34/16793.full.pdf |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 11, 2021 15:24:48 GMT
Because Gastafari is trying to say that the argument of police brutality on George Floyd & others is the same level as the lady who was killed at the riots. He's suggesting that its hypocrisy to call police brutality on one, but not the other. I understand where he's coming from, but as I've stated and as axegas and others have states, they are completely different scenarios - they shouldn't be compared. If he had found an example of an innocent white person being killed by police at home, then we'd have an interesting discussion. But on the terms that they are right now, they're incomparable. As you say, it is of no surprise that those on the other side of the spectrum consider potentially using a fake $20 note, to rioting and storming the capitol. Whatever suits a particular narrative I guess. Yes agreed. But Gastafari has a blinkered libertarian perspective which appears to dictate that it is the responsibility of the individual not to get killed. That's an extreme view of cooperation with police and or authorities. Plus he was a Trump supporter. Nuff said. How was I a Trump supporter Oldie? Yet again ignoring, the umpteen times I said he shouldn't be anywhere near the presidency and that he is an absolute idiot. I was only pointing out hypocrisy that things you and others were calling out Trump for when Biden has history of doing similar things. It was if, Biden was getting a free pass just as long as he defeated Trump in the election. I predicted and thought Trump would win, yes, but that in no way meant I was a supporter. Not like you, to completely make stuff up. |
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