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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 31, 2021 23:31:51 GMT
I've no particular opinion on Trump himself but it's certainly how these things happen, although usually the 'asset' is either idealistic or after money, neither of which seems to fit Trump. Narcissism maybe. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 31, 2021 23:35:06 GMT
I've no particular opinion on Trump himself but it's certainly how these things happen, although usually the 'asset' is either idealistic or after money, neither of which seems to fit Trump. Narcissism maybe. If I'm honest, I struggle to believe it - but nothing would surprise me these days. I've no doubt Trump would be a totally easy target though and it doesn't surprise me they at least targeted him. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 31, 2021 23:38:32 GMT
I've no particular opinion on Trump himself but it's certainly how these things happen, although usually the 'asset' is either idealistic or after money, neither of which seems to fit Trump. Narcissism maybe. If I'm honest, I struggle to believe it - but nothing would surprise me these days. I've no doubt Trump would be a totally easy target though and it doesn't surprise me they at least targeted him. I do too, especially if it related to a book being published. Agents/handlers will make contact with many people over time, most of which come to nothing. If Trump was tapped up, I doubt he even realised. |
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Post by axegas on Jan 31, 2021 23:41:41 GMT
If I'm honest, I struggle to believe it - but nothing would surprise me these days. I've no doubt Trump would be a totally easy target though and it doesn't surprise me they at least targeted him. I do too, especially if it related to a book being published. Agents/handlers will make contact with many people over time, most of which come to nothing. If Trump was tapped up, I doubt he even realised. It begs the question, why is this coming out now and not the previous 4 years that he was president for? I’m sure the FBI would have done extensive background checks on him before entering office. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 31, 2021 23:43:54 GMT
I do too, especially if it related to a book being published. Agents/handlers will make contact with many people over time, most of which come to nothing. If Trump was tapped up, I doubt he even realised. It begs the question, why is this coming out now and not the previous 4 years that he was president for? I’m sure the FBI would have done extensive background checks on him before entering office. Because he was President and was able to cajole those involved. Now he is out of office he has no way to lean on those investigations... obviously 😉 |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 31, 2021 23:56:30 GMT
I think you've got to be incredibly naive to think that this sort of thing doesn't go on with every Government across the globe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 15:43:34 GMT
I've no particular opinion on Trump himself but it's certainly how these things happen, although usually the 'asset' is either idealistic or after money, neither of which seems to fit Trump. Narcissism maybe. Yes, that’s exactly the sort of work that the deep cover operatives (I forget the specific word the Russians use for them now) that were exposed (eg Anna Chapman) and swapped for the likes of Skripal were doing in the US. In fact if I recall one of the things that had prompted the FBI to eventually act and arrest the Russian spies they knew of was that one of them had got dangerously close to a high profile American politician. Those were just the exposed ones it wouldn’t surprise me if there were more that had actually been successful in tapping up others. It’s not as blatant as you might think either, more around suggestion and subtle coercion than opening up suitcases with millions of dollars. Although the one part I doubt is Donald Trump over 40 years. They would have had to look at him as a man who would be a proxy to someone of actual influence purely because of his money and lifestyle. I doubt in their wildest dreams they thought someone like Trump could wield direct political influence. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 15:48:55 GMT
I think you've got to be incredibly naive to think that this sort of thing doesn't go on with every Government across the globe. Agree to an extent, although Russia has an advantage in that for them planting very deep cover operatives in affluent western democracies is an easy sell. Trying to convince people to go the other way is a lot harder. America does seem to have a very proud history of foreign undercover agitation since the Second World War so I find it hard to view them as the champions of democracy that they seem to claim. Every country out there is after themselves and their own interests, even if that means they need to take direct action to manipulate events in countries half way across the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 12:29:18 GMT
Sounds like the Scots may put an unexplained wealth order on trump's golf courses, how sweet would that be.
The trumps issued a statement in reply stating how much they they put in to the Scottish economy... Trump hasn't paid any corporation taxes in Scotland to date.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 16:52:55 GMT
Trump - kids in cages
Biden - overflow facilities
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 3, 2021 17:00:06 GMT
Trump - kids in cages Biden - overflow facilities Biden was part of the Obama administration who built those cages to put kids in, in the first place. People do seem to forget that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 18:45:43 GMT
Trump - kids in cages Biden - overflow facilities Biden was part of the Obama administration who built those cages to put kids in, in the first place. People do seem to forget that. There is very little difference between the two parties, anyone who tries to change that will be assassinated, as history has shown. |
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 4, 2021 10:59:31 GMT
Biden was part of the Obama administration who built those cages to put kids in, in the first place. People do seem to forget that. There is very little difference between the two parties, anyone who tries to change that will be assassinated, as history has shown. Of course there wont be the same level of news coverage or outrage, and news networks like CNN conveniently call them 'Overflow facilities' now. Pretty much my whole stance throughout regarding Trump has just been about balance, and people giving Biden and Democrats a free ride just as long as they get Trump out of office. This is it in a nutshell. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 19:04:22 GMT
There is very little difference between the two parties, anyone who tries to change that will be assassinated, as history has shown. Of course there wont be the same level of news coverage or outrage, and news networks like CNN conveniently call them 'Overflow facilities' now. Pretty much my whole stance throughout regarding Trump has just been about balance, and people giving Biden and Democrats a free ride just as long as they get Trump out of office. This is it in a nutshell. The trouble is that trump and his followers see immigrant kids in cages = happy days. Bidens track record is to the right of centre, so he has no problems with it either, until enough people disagree. There are only a very few people that actually give a f*ck, and they are treated as criminals in the media lol. |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 5, 2021 19:08:25 GMT
Of course there wont be the same level of news coverage or outrage, and news networks like CNN conveniently call them 'Overflow facilities' now. Pretty much my whole stance throughout regarding Trump has just been about balance, and people giving Biden and Democrats a free ride just as long as they get Trump out of office. This is it in a nutshell. The trouble is that trump and his followers see immigrant kids in cages = happy days. Bidens track record is to the right of centre, so he has no problems with it either, until enough people disagree. There are only a very few people that actually give a f*ck, and they are treated as criminals in the media lol. I thought Biden & the democrats were communists ? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 19:39:29 GMT
The trouble is that trump and his followers see immigrant kids in cages = happy days. Bidens track record is to the right of centre, so he has no problems with it either, until enough people disagree. There are only a very few people that actually give a f*ck, and they are treated as criminals in the media lol. I thought Biden & the democrats were communists ? Ha, ofcourse! Goes to show a hell of a lot of people will believe any sh1t they are fed, as long as it makes their own lives a little bit easier. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 8:52:00 GMT
6 republicans voted to impeach trump, that's out of 50.
Further proof of the lunacy of modern politics.
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Feb 11, 2021 15:28:11 GMT
Didn't Trumpy get about 47% of all votes cast in the election ?
Americans are not stupid. Millions and millions voted for him. Just like Brexit vs Remain, it was quite a close call on numbers of votes. And not all Remainers are stupid either ! Think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2021 10:18:21 GMT
Didn't Trumpy get about 47% of all votes cast in the election ? Americans are not stupid. Millions and millions voted for him. Just like Brexit vs Remain, it was quite a close call on numbers of votes. And not all Remainers are stupid either ! Think about it. Didn't Hilary Clinton win the popular vote in 2016, and Al Gore in 2000? Don't know what you are trying to say, if anything at all. |
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Post by stuartcampbell on Feb 14, 2021 1:03:45 GMT
To put my thoughts forward about today's acquittal, first I'll start with the history of impeachments of U.S. Presidents; essentially there's been 4 impeachements; Andrew Johnson in 1868, Bill Clinton in 1998-99, and two attempts towards Trump.
Johnson's impeachment was first passed by a 126-47 vote of approval in the House of Representatives. Of the 3 articles of Impeachment; the results were all the same. Of the 54 Senators; 45 being Republican and 9 belonging to Johnson's Democrats. In all 3 articles; 35 Republicans voted guilty, 10 voted not guilty, and all 9 Democrats voted not guilty. Thus Johnson was acquitted by 1 vote (as he needed 36 to be impeached).
In Clinton's impeachment, in the House of Representatives 4 Articles were put forward; Articles 2 and 4 failed to pass but Articles 1 and 3 did. In both Articles, all 45 Democrat Senators voted not guilty, whereas in the first 45/55 Republicans voted guilty, in the second 50/55 Republicans voted guilty. Thus the final readings read 45-55 for impeachment on Article I and 50-50 on Article II.
Now, Trump's impeachment last year. Two Articles of Impeachment; in both all 45 Democrats and both independents voted guilty. In the second all 53 Republicans voted not guilty, but in the first Article; one Republican, Mitt Romney; became the first US Senator ever, to vote in favour of impeachment on an article against his own GOP President.
Today, 7 Republicans Senators voted in favour for impeachment.
For me, that says it all. The country has a history of GOP Senators voting not guilty, but SEVEN Republican Senators said Trump was guilty of impeachment. Keep in mind, 2 years ago; no one had ever done that.
For me that says it all, but if I'm honest; I'm actually quite happy this has happened.
Given the lack of support from the Republican establishment, I can really see Trump setting up his own political party, and there's been rumours he will (called the Patriot Party apparently, he's such a c*nt). Such an action will split the Republican vote (apparently over 50% of Republicans when polled said they'd vote for such a party). I really hope this happens because it will truly spell the beginning of the end of the Republican party. And let's not act like the situation has been good for them. Despite winning 3 out of the last 8 Presidential elections since 1992, they've only won the popular vote once (in 2004), so they're already down on their luck as it is. The Patriot Party (which hopefully will be around for many elections to come!) will guarantee the Dems election after election. Fingers crossed.
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