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Post by Gastafari on Oct 1, 2020 10:11:40 GMT
I haven't ranted at all. It isn't a strange position to take either. It's a perfectly normal one to take, all the vitriol is towards Donald Trump, as usual their hatred for the man overtakes them so much, that they completely ignore everything they apparently stand for in their warped view of the World, all for their hatred of him. Why is that? It really is bizarre. They completely ignore and have nothing to say about Joe Bidens quotes about "Racial Jungles", "Predators", "Indian Americans", "Poor Kids are just as bright as White Kids", "If you don't vote for me, you ain't Black" and the best one of all, Joe Biden read a eulogy at Robert Byrd's funeral, do you know who Robert Byrd was? He was a Democrat Ku Klux Klan member who recruited 100's of members in West Virginia. The Media don't tell you this, not many people know about it, you have to do a bit of research to find out these things. Imagine it was Donald Trump? My source is I actually watched the debate, one of the only ones commenting on this thread who actually did. Biden lied more than once about "Crime rates", he stated that crime had gone up in Republican Cities, which is not true, he also stated that there was less violent crime during his time as Vice President as there is today, which again is a complete lie. C'mon, I shouldn't have to do this for you, all the information is readily available. Once again it's all about balance, I do find it extremely strange, how peoples supposed morals completely go out the window, just because they hate Donald Trump. Donald Trump bad, Joe Biden good. C'mon You keep attacking people and also have the vain opinion that only what you say is factually correct & anything else is fake news. Everyone is a bit guilty of it, thinking their opinion is the correct, but most have a bit of nuance in their arguments. But to say you watched the whole debate so only your opinion is valid is bizarre and makes it impossible for people to take you seriously. Total arrogance. I haven't attacked anybody. It looks like I am one of the only ones who has nuance. You certainly don't as you refused to listen to people because you deemed them "Conservative". I didn't say my opinion was the only one that's valid, I did say that my source was the debate though, because I did actually watch the whole thing. Nothing arrogant about it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 10:18:30 GMT
I haven't ranted at all. It isn't a strange position to take either. It's a perfectly normal one to take, all the vitriol is towards Donald Trump, as usual their hatred for the man overtakes them so much, that they completely ignore everything they apparently stand for in their warped view of the World, all for their hatred of him. Why is that? It really is bizarre. They completely ignore and have nothing to say about Joe Bidens quotes about "Racial Jungles", "Predators", "Indian Americans", "Poor Kids are just as bright as White Kids", "If you don't vote for me, you ain't Black" and the best one of all, Joe Biden read a eulogy at Robert Byrd's funeral, do you know who Robert Byrd was? He was a Democrat Ku Klux Klan member who recruited 100's of members in West Virginia. The Media don't tell you this, not many people know about it, you have to do a bit of research to find out these things. Imagine it was Donald Trump? My source is I actually watched the debate, one of the only ones commenting on this thread who actually did. Biden lied more than once about "Crime rates", he stated that crime had gone up in Republican Cities, which is not true, he also stated that there was less violent crime during his time as Vice President as there is today, which again is a complete lie. C'mon, I shouldn't have to do this for you, all the information is readily available. Once again it's all about balance, I do find it extremely strange, how peoples supposed morals completely go out the window, just because they hate Donald Trump. Donald Trump bad, Joe Biden good. C'mon You keep attacking people and also have the vain opinion that only what you say is factually correct & anything else is fake news. Everyone is a bit guilty of it, thinking their opinion is the correct, but most have a bit of nuance in their arguments. But to say you watched the whole debate so only your opinion is valid is bizarre and makes it impossible for people to take you seriously. Total arrogance. I don’t see any arrogance in his posts. He’s put a very balanced set of points forward and he’s right to question those arguing from their set positions that haven’t watched it all and are probably basing their opinion on some biased media clips. As far as I can see he’s been very critical about Trump but the way some people are responding that is not enough - he needs to adopt the blind hatred of the man to have any credibility from the left thinkers on here.
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Post by stuartcampbell on Oct 1, 2020 15:32:58 GMT
You've just ranted about how Biden is a liar, and to all extents and purposes Trump has lied more. It's quite a strange position to take. Also, sources? Specific examples? I'll need a bit more than "he lied about crime rates." I haven't ranted at all. It isn't a strange position to take either. It's a perfectly normal one to take, all the vitriol is towards Donald Trump, as usual their hatred for the man overtakes them so much, that they completely ignore everything they apparently stand for in their warped view of the World, all for their hatred of him. Why is that? It really is bizarre. They completely ignore and have nothing to say about Joe Bidens quotes about "Racial Jungles", "Predators", "Indian Americans", "Poor Kids are just as bright as White Kids", "If you don't vote for me, you ain't Black" and the best one of all, Joe Biden read a eulogy at Robert Byrd's funeral, do you know who Robert Byrd was? He was a Democrat Ku Klux Klan member who recruited 100's of members in West Virginia. The Media don't tell you this, not many people know about it, you have to do a bit of research to find out these things. Imagine it was Donald Trump? My source is I actually watched the debate, one of the only ones commenting on this thread who actually did. Biden lied more than once about "Crime rates", he stated that crime had gone up in Republican Cities, which is not true, he also stated that there was less violent crime during his time as Vice President as there is today, which again is a complete lie. C'mon, I shouldn't have to do this for you, all the information is readily available. Once again it's all about balance, I do find it extremely strange, how peoples supposed morals completely go out the window, just because they hate Donald Trump. Donald Trump bad, Joe Biden good. C'mon Whether it was a rant or not is subjective and irrelevant. You seem to be "yeah yeah Trump is bad but what about Biden??" which is the exact same stance Trump took; whether he's criticised the KKK before isn't questionable. However you're in a live political debate in front of millions of people and the best you can come up with in reference to the Proud Boys was "stand down and stand by" which the Proud Boys took as an endorsement, I'm not even kidding, they did. I wouldn't say anywhere near "all" of the criticism goes towards Trump, at least not in the political spectrum I'm in. I personally criticise anyone who doesn't see this as a "Harm Reduction" election just like the last one; Biden is awful but he's less bad than Trump. I supported Bernie Sanders' campaign because I thought he was much better and I agreed with more of his policies. Biden has been widely criticised by many for these things, for example, the New York Times, CNN, NBC, Bloomberg and Snopes all criticised him for his "poor kids are just as bright as white kids" comment. The idea the media ignores all these comments and he isn't criticised for them isn't based in reality. And I don't understand the "imagine if this was Donald Trump" line; Donald Trump has literally said things just as abhorrent as these comments, like when he claimed Jews who vote Democrat are showing "great disloyalty and a lack of knowledge." I'm not sure what you're referencing in regards to Indian Americans? And the Predators claim is debunked in this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54350219The idea that these come from in-depth research that the cultural Marxist far-left media don't want you to see...is nonsense. Especially when something like Fox News exists. Your source is you watched the debate? You refer to some comments, but as I will explain you're incorrect on both fronts and Biden is actually correct. "Biden lied more than once about "Crime rates", he stated that crime had gone up in Republican Cities, which is not true" Actually it is true. A report by the Council of Criminal Justice (found here: www.nytimes.com/2020/09/28/upshot/murders-2020-election-debate.html) found that the murder rate in cities with Democratic mayors is up by 29% compared to 26% in cities with Republican mayors. Take Miami, for instance, the murder rate there is up by 28%, other examples include Jacksonville, Tulsa and Fort Worth. Maybe you would like to claim that he says "crime" and not "murder." Then I wouldn't class this as an outright lie, it's mostly true. "he also stated that there was less violent crime during his time as Vice President as there is today" Actually that's not necessarily, in terms of how you interpret it what he necessarily said; he said "violent crime went down 15% in our administration and it's gone up under his watch." The 15% claim is true, and there has been a 26% increase in violent crime this year compared to 2019. It's perhaps misleading, but certainly not completely a lie. As for Trump; I would recommend a read of the following fact-check, and then tell me who is more likely to outright lie in a political debate: www.nytimes.com/live/2020/09/29/us/debate-fact-checkTrump uses the "Gish Gallop" debating technique constantly. It involves overwhelming your opponent with as many arguments as possible - with no regard for the accuracy, validity, or relevance of those arguments. Biden's certainly not perfect, I don't even really like him, this whole election is simple Harm Reduction against Donald Trump. If it was Biden vs Romney, I might have voted for Romney.
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 1, 2020 16:52:16 GMT
I haven't ranted at all. It isn't a strange position to take either. It's a perfectly normal one to take, all the vitriol is towards Donald Trump, as usual their hatred for the man overtakes them so much, that they completely ignore everything they apparently stand for in their warped view of the World, all for their hatred of him. Why is that? It really is bizarre. They completely ignore and have nothing to say about Joe Bidens quotes about "Racial Jungles", "Predators", "Indian Americans", "Poor Kids are just as bright as White Kids", "If you don't vote for me, you ain't Black" and the best one of all, Joe Biden read a eulogy at Robert Byrd's funeral, do you know who Robert Byrd was? He was a Democrat Ku Klux Klan member who recruited 100's of members in West Virginia. The Media don't tell you this, not many people know about it, you have to do a bit of research to find out these things. Imagine it was Donald Trump? My source is I actually watched the debate, one of the only ones commenting on this thread who actually did. Biden lied more than once about "Crime rates", he stated that crime had gone up in Republican Cities, which is not true, he also stated that there was less violent crime during his time as Vice President as there is today, which again is a complete lie. C'mon, I shouldn't have to do this for you, all the information is readily available. Once again it's all about balance, I do find it extremely strange, how peoples supposed morals completely go out the window, just because they hate Donald Trump. Donald Trump bad, Joe Biden good. C'mon Whether it was a rant or not is subjective and irrelevant. You seem to be "yeah yeah Trump is bad but what about Biden??" which is the exact same stance Trump took; whether he's criticised the KKK before isn't questionable. However you're in a live political debate in front of millions of people and the best you can come up with in reference to the Proud Boys was "stand down and stand by" which the Proud Boys took as an endorsement, I'm not even kidding, they did. I wouldn't say anywhere near "all" of the criticism goes towards Trump, at least not in the political spectrum I'm in. I personally criticise anyone who doesn't see this as a "Harm Reduction" election just like the last one; Biden is awful but he's less bad than Trump. I supported Bernie Sanders' campaign because I thought he was much better and I agreed with more of his policies. Biden has been widely criticised by many for these things, for example, the New York Times, CNN, NBC, Bloomberg and Snopes all criticised him for his "poor kids are just as bright as white kids" comment. The idea the media ignores all these comments and he isn't criticised for them isn't based in reality. And I don't understand the "imagine if this was Donald Trump" line; Donald Trump has literally said things just as abhorrent as these comments, like when he claimed Jews who vote Democrat are showing "great disloyalty and a lack of knowledge." I'm not sure what you're referencing in regards to Indian Americans? And the Predators claim is debunked in this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54350219The idea that these come from in-depth research that the cultural Marxist far-left media don't want you to see...is nonsense. Especially when something like Fox News exists. Your source is you watched the debate? You refer to some comments, but as I will explain you're incorrect on both fronts and Biden is actually correct. "Biden lied more than once about "Crime rates", he stated that crime had gone up in Republican Cities, which is not true" Actually it is true. A report by the Council of Criminal Justice (found here: www.nytimes.com/2020/09/28/upshot/murders-2020-election-debate.html) found that the murder rate in cities with Democratic mayors is up by 29% compared to 26% in cities with Republican mayors. Take Miami, for instance, the murder rate there is up by 28%, other examples include Jacksonville, Tulsa and Fort Worth. Maybe you would like to claim that he says "crime" and not "murder." Then I wouldn't class this as an outright lie, it's mostly true. "he also stated that there was less violent crime during his time as Vice President as there is today" Actually that's not necessarily, in terms of how you interpret it what he necessarily said; he said "violent crime went down 15% in our administration and it's gone up under his watch." The 15% claim is true, and there has been a 26% increase in violent crime this year compared to 2019. It's perhaps misleading, but certainly not completely a lie. As for Trump; I would recommend a read of the following fact-check, and then tell me who is more likely to outright lie in a political debate: www.nytimes.com/live/2020/09/29/us/debate-fact-checkTrump uses the "Gish Gallop" debating technique constantly. It involves overwhelming your opponent with as many arguments as possible - with no regard for the accuracy, validity, or relevance of those arguments. Biden's certainly not perfect, I don't even really like him, this whole election is simple Harm Reduction against Donald Trump. If it was Biden vs Romney, I might have voted for Romney. "You seem to be "yeah yeah Trump is bad but what about Biden??". Which is exactly what you've just done in reverse, as in the next paragraph you state "Biden is awful but he's less bad than Trump". C'mon. My "imagine it was Donald Trump" comment, was more to do with Joe Biden attending Robert Byrd, a Democratic, KKK members funeral and giving a eulogy at that funeral stating he was a "Friend & Mentor", imagine Trump did that? You know just as much as I do what it would be like, you just have to look at the media's reaction about what Trump said regarding the White Supremacy cheap shot at the debate. The predators claim is not debunked in that article at all. Biden said it in his 1993 Crime Bill Speech, it's obvious what he meant, as the Crime Bill incarcerated many, many Black Americans. He was also pals with White Supremacist, segregationist Senators like James O. Eastland from Mississippi, who helped him land spots on the committee and subcommittees dealing with criminal justice and prisons, and became a close friend and legislative partner of another, Strom Thurmond of South Carolina. Biden also gave a eulogy at Thurmonds funeral too, funnily enough....... Again the media don't tell you about any of this. To be fair, you have offered a balanced view in regards to Biden.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 1, 2020 18:19:54 GMT
Why are you advertising tobacco products on a sports-orientated forum? It's the artwork I'm interested in, not so much the product itself. Yes, the No6 brand was iconic, no other fag packet came close in the late 60’s through the 70’s. I used to smoke No 6 and it’s a shame they were as rough as a badgers arse, like smoking camel sh1t and feathers!. Still, they were cheap, and any self-respecting mod had a Lambretta, a packet of No 6 and a Colibri gas lighter. Those were the days, but it’s so much better now that smoking is almost anti-social.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 1, 2020 18:35:06 GMT
You keep attacking people and also have the vain opinion that only what you say is factually correct & anything else is fake news. Everyone is a bit guilty of it, thinking their opinion is the correct, but most have a bit of nuance in their arguments. But to say you watched the whole debate so only your opinion is valid is bizarre and makes it impossible for people to take you seriously. Total arrogance. I don’t see any arrogance in his posts. He’s put a very balanced set of points forward and he’s right to question those arguing from their set positions that haven’t watched it all and are probably basing their opinion on some biased media clips. As far as I can see he’s been very critical about Trump but the way some people are responding that is not enough - he needs to adopt the blind hatred of the man to have any credibility from the left thinkers on here. And that's the point of some on here as, well as the mentallity of many lefties of today in General and that's why I use the term "Libtard" as a Toy to poke them with. They won't listen to any reason,and are unwilling to engagement in rational conversation unless you agree with them.You can post evidence of A,B and C and they will still be unwilling to debate anyone and will just call you some kind 'ist'. I'm willing to go down the pub with anyone and talk to anyone about anything and listen to there arguments, I may disagree and have a heated chat about the said subject,but I won't brand them as something they are not.This is my biggest problem with this gerneration of lefties, If you are right wing thinking you to them are "far Right" racist evil scum.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 1, 2020 19:22:45 GMT
I don’t see any arrogance in his posts. He’s put a very balanced set of points forward and he’s right to question those arguing from their set positions that haven’t watched it all and are probably basing their opinion on some biased media clips. As far as I can see he’s been very critical about Trump but the way some people are responding that is not enough - he needs to adopt the blind hatred of the man to have any credibility from the left thinkers on here. And that's the point of some on here as, well as the mentallity of many lefties of today in General and that's why I use the term "Libtard" as a Toy to poke them with. They won't listen to any reason,and are unwilling to engagement in rational conversation unless you agree with them.You can post evidence of A,B and C and they will still be unwilling to debate anyone and will just call you some kind 'ist'. I'm willing to go down the pub with anyone and talk to anyone about anything and listen to there arguments, I may disagree and have a heated chat about the said subject,but I won't brand them as something they are not.This is my biggest problem with this gerneration of lefties, If you are right wing thinking you to them are "far Right" racist evil scum. A perfect illustration of all the above points can be seen in the Marxist ranting and raving of the La La Man.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 1, 2020 20:28:06 GMT
I don’t see any arrogance in his posts. He’s put a very balanced set of points forward and he’s right to question those arguing from their set positions that haven’t watched it all and are probably basing their opinion on some biased media clips. As far as I can see he’s been very critical about Trump but the way some people are responding that is not enough - he needs to adopt the blind hatred of the man to have any credibility from the left thinkers on here. And that's the point of some on here as, well as the mentallity of many lefties of today in General and that's why I use the term "Libtard" as a Toy to poke them with. They won't listen to any reason,and are unwilling to engagement in rational conversation unless you agree with them.You can post evidence of A,B and C and they will still be unwilling to debate anyone and will just call you some kind 'ist'. I'm willing to go down the pub with anyone and talk to anyone about anything and listen to there arguments, I may disagree and have a heated chat about the said subject,but I won't brand them as something they are not.This is my biggest problem with this gerneration of lefties, If you are right wing thinking you to them are "far Right" racist evil scum. I think I was the one who commented on the term, last time I looked I don't think I fall into the classification above.
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Post by baggins on Oct 2, 2020 5:28:44 GMT
He's got Covid. So's his Wife.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 5:36:30 GMT
I don’t see any arrogance in his posts. He’s put a very balanced set of points forward and he’s right to question those arguing from their set positions that haven’t watched it all and are probably basing their opinion on some biased media clips. As far as I can see he’s been very critical about Trump but the way some people are responding that is not enough - he needs to adopt the blind hatred of the man to have any credibility from the left thinkers on here. And that's the point of some on here as, well as the mentallity of many lefties of today in General and that's why I use the term "Libtard" as a Toy to poke them with. They won't listen to any reason,and are unwilling to engagement in rational conversation unless you agree with them.You can post evidence of A,B and C and they will still be unwilling to debate anyone and will just call you some kind 'ist'. I'm willing to go down the pub with anyone and talk to anyone about anything and listen to there arguments, I may disagree and have a heated chat about the said subject,but I won't brand them as something they are not.This is my biggest problem with this gerneration of lefties, If you are right wing thinking you to them are "far Right" racist evil scum. But who is a "leftie" Disagreeing with you means I am a "leftie"?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 5:41:46 GMT
I see Trump has tested positive for Covid. Is it a hoax? Is it just a "sniffle" which will disappear?
The irony is just...well you know
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 5:46:32 GMT
Meanwhile GOP candidates scramble as they are in danger of losing their seats. Break ranks and are not supporting the reversal of Obama's Affordable Care Act flip.it/_9fxau
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 5:54:15 GMT
After that farce of a debate and the inane ramblings of a power drunk buffoon of a President, more reassuring news. Technology is enabling voter registration flip.it/mmdkOgA million, half of who are young first time voters, I wonder who they will vote for?🤔😂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 6:21:05 GMT
I see Trump has tested positive for Covid. Is it a hoax? Is it just a "sniffle" which will disappear? The irony is just...well you know All I can say is that the person who likely gave it to him is named Hope.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 6:31:19 GMT
After that farce of a debate and the inane ramblings of a power drunk buffoon of a President, more reassuring news. Technology is enabling voter registration flip.it/mmdkOgA million, half of who are young first time voters, I wonder who they will vote for?🤔😂 The president who cries RIGGED ELECTIONS!, although having himself benefitted from the last election. You couldn't make it up.
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Post by trevorgas on Oct 2, 2020 7:03:38 GMT
After that farce of a debate and the inane ramblings of a power drunk buffoon of a President, more reassuring news. Technology is enabling voter registration flip.it/mmdkOgA million, half of who are young first time voters, I wonder who they will vote for?🤔😂 The president who cries RIGGED ELECTIONS!, although having himself benefitted from the last election. You couldn't make it up. More concerning is the Republican Governor of Texas has designated only 1 place where you can drop of your Postal Vote,how big is Texas!!. Land of the Free= Suppression of Democracy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 7:06:14 GMT
I see Trump has tested positive for Covid. Is it a hoax? Is it just a "sniffle" which will disappear? The irony is just...well you know Don’t hold back. Just tell everyone how happy this news makes you.
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 2, 2020 7:29:01 GMT
After that farce of a debate and the inane ramblings of a power drunk buffoon of a President, more reassuring news. Technology is enabling voter registration flip.it/mmdkOgA million, half of who are young first time voters, I wonder who they will vote for?🤔😂 Probably none of them. The debate didn't show any of them in a good light. But as usual, you only see it one way, regardless. It really is baffling
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 2, 2020 7:49:00 GMT
The president who cries RIGGED ELECTIONS!, although having himself benefitted from the last election. You couldn't make it up. More concerning is the Republican Governor of Texas has designated only 1 place where you can drop of your Postal Vote,how big is Texas!!. Land of the Free= Suppression of Democracy. That's not strictly true, he has designated 1 place per County. There are 254 counties in Texas. That said, it is strange.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 2, 2020 7:57:12 GMT
And that's the point of some on here as, well as the mentallity of many lefties of today in General and that's why I use the term "Libtard" as a Toy to poke them with. They won't listen to any reason,and are unwilling to engagement in rational conversation unless you agree with them.You can post evidence of A,B and C and they will still be unwilling to debate anyone and will just call you some kind 'ist'. I'm willing to go down the pub with anyone and talk to anyone about anything and listen to there arguments, I may disagree and have a heated chat about the said subject,but I won't brand them as something they are not.This is my biggest problem with this gerneration of lefties, If you are right wing thinking you to them are "far Right" racist evil scum. But who is a "leftie" Disagreeing with you means I am a "leftie"? As a matter of interest, just so we all know; how would you describe yourself?
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