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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 3, 2020 11:48:32 GMT
Did the wall get built and did Mexico pay for it? No but if the wall does eventually get built by some other administration in say 40 years when Trump is long dead, it will be Trump that builds it, apparently. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 3, 2020 11:49:08 GMT
Did the wall get built and did Mexico pay for it? Did North Korea actually shut down it's missile program? |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 3, 2020 11:49:10 GMT
So don't use it as a stick to beat Trump with. Barack Obama built them, Joe Biden was also VP. His administration is doing it are they not? You can't be suggesting that Obama has the power to shut them down or change the abhorrent things that are happening there TODAY? If not, do enlighten us, who DOES have that power? ? |
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Post by baggins on Oct 3, 2020 11:50:28 GMT
Seriously? He actually split up families and put them in camps for deportation? |
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 3, 2020 11:53:06 GMT
So don't use it as a stick to beat Trump with. Barack Obama built them, Joe Biden was also VP. His administration is doing it are they not? You can't be suggesting that Obama has the power to shut them down or change the abhorrent things that are happening there TODAY? If not, do enlighten us, who DOES have that power? Yes, but so was Obama's. Obamas administration built them and used them Why use it as a stick to beat Trump with? Back in 2015 while Obama was president the ACLU filed a lawsuit in regards to the vile conditions that the people in them were facing. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 3, 2020 11:58:23 GMT
His administration is doing it are they not? You can't be suggesting that Obama has the power to shut them down or change the abhorrent things that are happening there TODAY? If not, do enlighten us, who DOES have that power? Yes, but so was Obama's. Obamas administration built them and used them Why use it as a stick to beat Trump with? Back in 2015 while Obama was president the UCLU filed a lawsuit in regards to the vile conditions that the people in them were facing. There you go! I'll use it as a stick to beat anyone in charge with. Its a horrible country and that practice is particularly inhumane. Its going on under Trumps leadership and I'm glad we can agree on that. I dont think you're suggesting that it is Obamas fault that Trump is allowing it? Or are you? |
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 3, 2020 12:03:03 GMT
Yes, but so was Obama's. Obamas administration built them and used them Why use it as a stick to beat Trump with? Back in 2015 while Obama was president the UCLU filed a lawsuit in regards to the vile conditions that the people in them were facing. There you go! I'll use it as a stick to beat anyone in charge with. Its a horrible country and that practice is particularly inhumane. Its going on under Trumps leadership and I'm glad we can agree on that. I dont think you're suggesting that it is Obamas fault that Trump is allowing it? Or are you? No, I'm not. I'm just adding some balance yet again. All I'm saying is that Obama built them and used them, Trump has continued to use them, and the next president will whether its Trump for a 2nd term, or if it's Joe Biden, or whoevers the next president in 4 years, 8 years or whstever. Yeah it's inhumane, we agree on that. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 3, 2020 12:06:05 GMT
There you go! I'll use it as a stick to beat anyone in charge with. Its a horrible country and that practice is particularly inhumane. Its going on under Trumps leadership and I'm glad we can agree on that. I dont think you're suggesting that it is Obamas fault that Trump is allowing it? Or are you? No, I'm not. I'm just adding some balance yet again. All I'm saying is that Obama built them and used them, Trump has continued to use them, and the next president will whether its Trump for a 2nd term, or if it's Joe Biden, or whoevers the next president in 4 years, 8 years or whstever. Yeah it's inhumane, we agree on that. Except you're not adding balance are you? I suggested current practice was radical enough. Your interjection was not to add balance but to add context. Context I may add that looked to justify those actions based on the actions of a previous administration. Now if I had compared the two then absolutely that would be balance. But I didnt. You did. Can you see the difference there? |
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 3, 2020 12:11:42 GMT
No, I'm not. I'm just adding some balance yet again. All I'm saying is that Obama built them and used them, Trump has continued to use them, and the next president will whether its Trump for a 2nd term, or if it's Joe Biden, or whoevers the next president in 4 years, 8 years or whstever. Yeah it's inhumane, we agree on that. Except you're not adding balance are you? I suggested current practice was radical enough. Your interjection was not to add balance but to add context. Context I may add that looked to justify those actions based on the actions of a previous administration. Now if I had compared the two then absolutely that would be balance. But I didnt. You did. Can you see the difference there? No. I was just adding balance that Obama had built them in the first place and used them. Just as I mentioned already in this thread, Trump bad, everyone else good is the narrative. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 3, 2020 12:23:50 GMT
Except you're not adding balance are you? I suggested current practice was radical enough. Your interjection was not to add balance but to add context. Context I may add that looked to justify those actions based on the actions of a previous administration. Now if I had compared the two then absolutely that would be balance. But I didnt. You did. Can you see the difference there? No. I was just adding balance that Obama had built them in the first place and used them. Just as I mentioned already in this thread, Trump bad, everyone else good is the narrative. No sorry, I cant agree for the reasons I've already stated. Its not balance, you compared the two all by yourself which was a comparison that made no difference to (and was actually fairly irrelevant to) my original premise. I have my suspicions that had I offered the same critique but a different administration was currently in power, you may not have provided the same 'balance' but if giving the benefit of the doubt, you offered no balance - you offered an excuse. |
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 3, 2020 12:29:50 GMT
No. I was just adding balance that Obama had built them in the first place and used them. Just as I mentioned already in this thread, Trump bad, everyone else good is the narrative. No sorry, I cant agree for the reasons I've already stated. Its not balance, you compared the two all by yourself which was a comparison that made no difference to (and was actually fairly irrelevant to) my original premise. I have my suspicions that had I offered the same critique but a different administration was currently in power, you may not have provided the same 'balance' but if giving the benefit of the doubt, you offered no balance - you offered an excuse. I have my suspicions that you didn't even know that Barack Obama had built and used these detention centres. Makes sense as when Baggins asked "Did he use them", you liked the comment. I have my suspicions that you thought Trump had built them, hence why you seemed to get the hump when I informed you who did build them. Like I said to Oldie, it's as though you want to throw your so called morals out the window, just so you can bash Donald Trump. I have been balanced all the way through. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 3, 2020 12:53:00 GMT
No sorry, I cant agree for the reasons I've already stated. Its not balance, you compared the two all by yourself which was a comparison that made no difference to (and was actually fairly irrelevant to) my original premise. I have my suspicions that had I offered the same critique but a different administration was currently in power, you may not have provided the same 'balance' but if giving the benefit of the doubt, you offered no balance - you offered an excuse. I have my suspicions that you didn't even know that Barack Obama had built and used these detention centres. Makes sense as when Baggins asked "Did he use them", you liked the comment. I have my suspicions that you thought Trump had built them, hence why you seemed to get the hump when I informed you who did build them. Like I said to Oldie, it's as though you want to throw your so called morals out the window, just so you can bash Donald Trump. I have been balanced all the way through. I'll freely admit I had no knowledge of them before they hit the news recently. Again, what difference does that make? Why are you so keen to justify what even you admit is inhumane because 'well someone else did it'. Maybe you're not bias and maybe you're every bit as balanced as you say. Answer this then. Who's responsibility is it today, right now, that that inhumane treatment of children is allowed to happen in the USA today? Who has the power to stop it? Who does nothing? Obama or Trump? Oh and on the subject of 'likes', Eric you're so transparent its laughable. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 13:00:41 GMT
I'm in no way a fan of Barrack Obama, he is a copy of Tony Blair, but seeing trump & his followers hatred for him is telling as it highlights their racism.
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 3, 2020 13:06:29 GMT
I have my suspicions that you didn't even know that Barack Obama had built and used these detention centres. Makes sense as when Baggins asked "Did he use them", you liked the comment. I have my suspicions that you thought Trump had built them, hence why you seemed to get the hump when I informed you who did build them. Like I said to Oldie, it's as though you want to throw your so called morals out the window, just so you can bash Donald Trump. I have been balanced all the way through. I'll freely admit I had no knowledge of them before they hit the news recently. Again, what difference does that make? Why are you so keen to justify what even you admit is inhumane because 'well someone else did it'. Maybe you're not bias and maybe you're every bit as balanced as you say. Answer this then. Who's responsibility is it today, right now, that that inhumane treatment of children is allowed to happen in the USA today? Who has the power to stop it? Who does nothing? Obama or Trump? Oh and on the subject of 'likes', Eric you're so transparent is laughable. I'm not justifying anything. Again i'll say it, Trump is a and shouldn't be anywhere near the presidency. The fact he is, is down to the American voting system and the god awful opposition. It's inhumane, we've both agreed on it, whether you're Left or right leaning, Democrat or Republican, all I'm saying is, Trump, just like everything else gets the brunt of it. As you admitted yourself you had no knowledge of them until recently? I wonder why? Because it's a stick to hit Trump with, and an upcoming election. |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 3, 2020 13:08:20 GMT
I'll freely admit I had no knowledge of them before they hit the news recently. Again, what difference does that make? Why are you so keen to justify what even you admit is inhumane because 'well someone else did it'. Maybe you're not bias and maybe you're every bit as balanced as you say. Answer this then. Who's responsibility is it today, right now, that that inhumane treatment of children is allowed to happen in the USA today? Who has the power to stop it? Who does nothing? Obama or Trump? Oh and on the subject of 'likes', Eric you're so transparent is laughable. I'm not justifying anything. Again i'll say it, Trump is a and shouldn't be anywhere near the presidency. The fact he is, is down to the American voting system and the god awful opposition. It's inhumane, we've both agreed on it, whether you're Left or right leaning, Democrat or Republican, all I'm saying is, Trump, just like everything else gets the brunt of it. As you admitted yourself you had no knowledge of them until recently? I wonder why? Because it's a stick to hit Trump with, and an upcoming election. Because it was in the news! I didnt seek it out did I, goodness me. |
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 3, 2020 13:13:10 GMT
I'm not justifying anything. Again i'll say it, Trump is a and shouldn't be anywhere near the presidency. The fact he is, is down to the American voting system and the god awful opposition. It's inhumane, we've both agreed on it, whether you're Left or right leaning, Democrat or Republican, all I'm saying is, Trump, just like everything else gets the brunt of it. As you admitted yourself you had no knowledge of them until recently? I wonder why? Because it's a stick to hit Trump with, and an upcoming election. Because it was in the news! I didnt seek it out did I, goodness me. And it was in the news, and you didn't need to seek it out,because? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 13:14:29 GMT
I didn't say that at all. Just like Oldie, you seem to be getting confused and completely making stuff up. I didn't say that Black people were well off in America, I said that the majority actually fall into the "Middle Class" bracket, which I also said was incredibly vague as to what the "Middle Class" is. I also know and stated that Blacks are lowest in terms of Median income, White's are not top of the Median income table either. No you didn't I provided the median income figures by demographic break down. But no matter. I think you are either flying a kite or actually don't know what you are talking about. For example you said "The main reason why the US was an already growing economy is because it was coming out of a Great Recession, naturally it was going to grow" Sure. But by the time Trump was elected that recession had been long past and the US had caught up and surpassed it's 2008 GDP. For the six years before Trump GDP grew like this, by year. 2010. 2.56% 2011. 1.55% 2012. 2.25% 2013. 1.84% 2014. 2.45% 2015. 2.88% 2016. 1.57% Then Trump Years 2017. 2.27% 2018. 3.18% 2019. 2.33% Source: World Bank However when Trump came into office the National Debt stood at $19,573 Billion At the end of 2019 it stood at $22,719 billion. That's an additional $3,146 billion. Now I could understand that if Trump had inherited a catastrophe as Obama did at the end of 2008, and had to spend to dig the economy out of a hole. But he did not, he inherited a growing economy, one that had grown every year for the previous six years. Why does any of this matter? Besides the obvious economic distortion this brings (asset bubbles etc) Trump and his supporters sing his praises on economic matters, when in fact the dark cloud of spiralling national debt and inflated asset values tell a very different story. So if he is sh** at economic management, if, as even his supporters seem to concede, his domestic policies are sh**, if he is a complete charlatan when managing his private business, why on earth would anyone vote for such an idiot. The mind boggles |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Oct 3, 2020 13:38:28 GMT
Because it was in the news! I didnt seek it out did I, goodness me. And it was in the news, and you didn't need to seek it out,because? Becasue I was watching the news at the time? Lol this isn't some conspiracy. I was sat with a nice cup of tea watching the news. |
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 3, 2020 14:24:32 GMT
I didn't say that at all. Just like Oldie, you seem to be getting confused and completely making stuff up. I didn't say that Black people were well off in America, I said that the majority actually fall into the "Middle Class" bracket, which I also said was incredibly vague as to what the "Middle Class" is. I also know and stated that Blacks are lowest in terms of Median income, White's are not top of the Median income table either. No you didn't I provided the median income figures by demographic break down. But no matter. I think you are either flying a kite or actually don't know what you are talking about. For example you said "The main reason why the US was an already growing economy is because it was coming out of a Great Recession, naturally it was going to grow" Sure. But by the time Trump was elected that recession had been long past and the US had caught up and surpassed it's 2008 GDP. For the six years before Trump GDP grew like this, by year. 2010. 2.56% 2011. 1.55% 2012. 2.25% 2013. 1.84% 2014. 2.45% 2015. 2.88% 2016. 1.57% Then Trump Years 2017. 2.27% 2018. 3.18% 2019. 2.33% Source: World Bank However when Trump came into office the National Debt stood at $19,573 Billion At the end of 2019 it stood at $22,719 billion. That's an additional $3,146 billion. Now I could understand that if Trump had inherited a catastrophe as Obama did at the end of 2008, and had to spend to dig the economy out of a hole. But he did not, he inherited a growing economy, one that had grown every year for the previous six years. Why does any of this matter? Besides the obvious economic distortion this brings (asset bubbles etc) Trump and his supporters sing his praises on economic matters, when in fact the dark cloud of spiralling national debt and inflated asset values tell a very different story. So if he is sh** at economic management, if, as even his supporters seem to concede, his domestic policies are sh**, if he is a complete charlatan when managing his private business, why on earth would anyone vote for such an idiot. The mind boggles Yes I did Oldie, What I said was that the majority of the Black population of the US fall into the "Middle Class" category, used by the Brookings Future of the Middle Class Initiative’s definition, where 61.2% of Black Americans fall into that. I also said that the term "Middle Class" in the US, is vague. I also broke it down in numbers, too. I also said that White's are not top of the Median table, Asian Americans(Korean, Chinese, Japanese origins etc) are top in pretty much every sector. I never once said that Blacks were "Well off in America", again like I asked you before if you could find any quote or statement I made that even remotely resembles me saying anything like that, I'd be extremely grateful. You're contradicting himself again, You say "Trump supporters sing his praises on economic matters", yet in the next paragraph you state If he's sh*t at economic management, as even his supporters seem to concede".....So which one is it? Also i've never once said i'm a Trump supporter, you're just making stuff up again, I guess you just choose to ignore the several times i've stated he shouldn't be anywhere near the presidency and that he's a . I did however list good things which he has done while president. You can't get away from the fact the reason the American economy improved was because the economy always improves when theres a recession, the deeper the recession the higher the bounce back, I do find it odd, regarding your stances from the George Floyd thread on Race, Equality and Social Justice that you yet again seem to want to throw your supposed morals out the window and completely ignore and disregard that Black unemployment has been at an all time low, the wealth gap has got lower between Black & White households under Trump, by pretty much every economic measure Black people suffered far more under Obama's leadership. Again, all about balance, you won't give credit for that? Why would people want to vote for an idiot? Like i've said before probably because of the opposition. Biden is also an idiot, who as i've pointed out has a history of racist quotes, Crime Bills that have effected and incarcerated many Black Americans, cosying up with White Supremacists and Segregationists, giving eulogy's at their funerals etc,etc. |
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