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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 7, 2020 8:27:19 GMT
I don't think you can read much into these matches when both teams tend to make so many changes to their strongest 11 and they're not played at the same intensity as a league game.
However, judging it as a stand alone game I have to admit I was quite impressed.
We played far better than against Walsall and should have won comfortably in the 90 minutes. The only real negative is how poor we were in the final third. Our final pass or shot was simply not good enough and it is a concern that we failed to convert so many promising situations. The lack of a natural goalscorer is something I think we still need to address if we're going to have a half decent season.
That said, our youngsters who looked out of their depth in the Walsall game performed much better last night with Mehew, Hargreaves and Walker all in the running for MOTM.
With Ayunga out for a few weeks we defintely need another option up front. If Hanlan picked up an illness, injury or suspension we'd be in real trouble.
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Oct 7, 2020 8:30:54 GMT
Totally disagree about Marcus Stewart. He was a star immediately. Didn’t he score on his debut v Ipswich in the championship? Yes, I remember it well. First game of the season with Martin Dobson in charge, we were 3-0 down and Marcus scored the first goal with Devon pitching in with 2 to secure a draw. I was at that game. Dobson & Rofe clearly wanted us to play their way, not the Gerry Francis way. Result was we were 0-3 by half time. Someone decided to go back to the tried and tested style in the 2nd half, and we scored 3 times without reply. However, Dobson continued to stamp his methodology on the players, and although we survived a bit longer in the second league (old Div 1), we were never the same again.
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Oct 7, 2020 8:32:44 GMT
You can't be a striker and an impact sub? Never heard of David Fairclough then or Dave Staniforth ?
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 7, 2020 8:33:30 GMT
Totally disagree about Marcus Stewart. He was a star immediately. Didn’t he score on his debut v Ipswich in the championship? Yes, I remember it well. First game of the season with Martin Dobson in charge, we were 3-0 down and Marcus scored the first goal with Devon pitching in with 2 to secure a draw. I remember too, 3-0 down at half time, Aidy Boothroyd played a blinder at left back. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 7, 2020 8:37:40 GMT
Sounds like the youngsters done ok last night and could well have won the game. The game was a good opportunity for fringe players to push there claim for first team spot and sound like a few did just that. From what i have seen of the new Chelsea loanee it is MHO that he is no better than the likes of Mehew or Hargreaves and it is they who should get an extended run in the side, not the odd game here and there, also is Tomlinson injured as he seems to have disappeared, sorry if this has been answered elsewhere.
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 7, 2020 8:38:39 GMT
Yes, I remember it well. First game of the season with Martin Dobson in charge, we were 3-0 down and Marcus scored the first goal with Devon pitching in with 2 to secure a draw. I was at that game. Dobson & Rofe clearly wanted us to play their way, not the Gerry Francis way. Result was we were 0-3 by half time. Someone decided to go back to the tried and tested style in the 2nd half, and we scored 3 times without reply. However, Dobson continued to stamp his methodology on the players, and although we survived a bit longer in the second league (old Div 1), we were never the same again.
As soon as Martin Dobson went, we were the form team in the whole Division. I know it's hindsight, but if Rofe was in charge all season we may have gone up, we would of made the Play Offs imo. We finished 13th in the end,the same as the previous season and had some brilliant results, 2 great games against Liverpool, 3-0 over Kenny Dalglish's big spending Blackburn etc, we were the highest scorers in the second part of the season. It was the following season where we just couldn't handle the new pass back rule, and got relegated with ease. |
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Oct 7, 2020 8:48:10 GMT
I was at that game. Dobson & Rofe clearly wanted us to play their way, not the Gerry Francis way. Result was we were 0-3 by half time. Someone decided to go back to the tried and tested style in the 2nd half, and we scored 3 times without reply. However, Dobson continued to stamp his methodology on the players, and although we survived a bit longer in the second league (old Div 1), we were never the same again.
As soon as Martin Dobson went, we were the form team in the whole Division. I know it's hindsight, but if Rofe was in charge all season we may have gone up, we would of made the Play Offs imo. We finished 13th in the end,the same as the previous season and had some brilliant results, 2 great games against Liverpool, 3-0 over Kenny Dalglish's big spending Blackburn etc, we were the highest scorers in the second part of the season. It was the following season where we just couldn't handle the new pass back rule, and got relegated with ease. Yes, Rofe did save us that season. (I met him once or twice, a real salt-of-the-earth man and genuinely nice. Hard as nails mind you, like Vaughan Jones!!). Not sure if he would have kept us up in the long run. I always thought he was uncomfortable in the Manager role. |
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Post by clovis on Oct 7, 2020 8:49:40 GMT
The 3-0 win over Blackburn is one of my favourite ever games. My memory tells me that we were three up by half time and that they had all the possession in the second half and battered us but our defence was very resolute. Happy days indeed.
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Post by clovis on Oct 7, 2020 9:02:22 GMT
Having checked, the victory over Blackburn followed an unforgettable stuffing at Cambridge, we lost 6-1 on a Friday evening, my only visit to that ground. That made the Blackburn victory all the sweeter.
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Oct 7, 2020 10:30:45 GMT
Back to back encouraging performances. Good opportunity to blood some of the youth in the boycott trophy. Impressed with Boris Junior. We need to bring the youth through at Rovers. Rovers always been good for finding talent. Feeling generally more positive that a few weeks ago. Keeping the faith.
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Post by yaz on Oct 7, 2020 12:09:52 GMT
It's a mickey mouse cup anyway, unless you get to the final. Plus you don't want to spend £10 to watch but you just cannot resist yourself! The further we get, the more £10 we pay? This tourney is like the Carabao Cup and what big teams do when they get to the final stages, ie. they start to play their first team players with the hope of a trophy. The initial players who got the team this far are then left behind for the bigger squad players to come in! In the Carabao Cup, the approach this season seems to be different because most Premier League clubs may be thinking that only 2 teams have a realistic chance of winning the league so they may as well concentrate on the League and FA cups for trophies? That could be the reason that most teams are putting full strength teams so early in the knockout stages? Personally, I think iFollow charge should be reduced to £5 for these games and more people may then watch but there are a lot of fans who will not watch anyway because of the introduction of the U21s! |
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Post by yaz on Oct 7, 2020 12:20:36 GMT
Rose tinted specs I think - Kelly and Kilgour were dreadful,Leahy not much better and we are desperately short of strikers. We missed at least 3 golden opportunities. I am not saying it was a bad performance but we miss the easiest chances. Daley doesn't have a goal in him. I'm not sure why we persist with Kelly - Was hugely surprised he was given a new deal. Von Schittenshotten is equally no way near good enough - Someone truly needs to tell him that in a penalty shoot out the aim is to stop the ball and not dodge it ( appreciate he did stop one tonight but dived out of the way of four others) ... his overall keeping is erratic and his shot stopping not great either. Poor Alfie is missing Coughlan I think - A real Defensive Mentor - Maybe he also has a touch of 'Gaffney Syndrome' ( where a player is told he is so so good way too early and he starts to believe the hype, in the Case of Gaffney he was worshipped to the brink of having Fans offer their wives to him and in song form at that ) I feel a little for Daley as he needs a Striker to work with, not play on his own - he will fail if not given proper support and very soon the Twatter / Facefook Boo Boys will be all over him. Expected a bit more from Nicholson to be honest and surprised JML nowhere to be seen as the game could have been made for him and a confidence boost for Saturday. I would generally agree with the above thoughts. As regards Daley and as someone else said earlier, although still early days, he plays in a very similar way to Reilly? Reilly to me played like a lone striker, and though he looked like he was capable of much more, seemed to be on the fringe / edge of most of our attacks and not joined in? Daly seems to play that way as well? I also think that our 2nd choice goalie needs to use his hands more and like, people say, keep still. Very rarely are penalties saved by goalies who move around unless they are very still at point of kick which then really defeats the point of clowning around? You are better off standing off centre and then diving the other way? That's what I used to do when younger with a fair few saved. Up The Skill UTG |
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 7, 2020 12:29:04 GMT
I'm not sure why we persist with Kelly - Was hugely surprised he was given a new deal. Von Schittenshotten is equally no way near good enough - Someone truly needs to tell him that in a penalty shoot out the aim is to stop the ball and not dodge it ( appreciate he did stop one tonight but dived out of the way of four others) ... his overall keeping is erratic and his shot stopping not great either. Poor Alfie is missing Coughlan I think - A real Defensive Mentor - Maybe he also has a touch of 'Gaffney Syndrome' ( where a player is told he is so so good way too early and he starts to believe the hype, in the Case of Gaffney he was worshipped to the brink of having Fans offer their wives to him and in song form at that ) I feel a little for Daley as he needs a Striker to work with, not play on his own - he will fail if not given proper support and very soon the Twatter / Facefook Boo Boys will be all over him. Expected a bit more from Nicholson to be honest and surprised JML nowhere to be seen as the game could have been made for him and a confidence boost for Saturday. I would generally agree with the above thoughts. As regards Daley and as someone else said earlier, although still early days, he plays in a very similar way to Reilly? Reilly to me played like a lone striker, and though he looked like he was capable of much more, seemed to be on the fringe / edge of most of our attacks and not joined in? Daly seems to play that way as well? I also think that our 2nd choice goalie needs to use his hands more and like, people say, keep still. Very rarely are penalties saved by goalies who move around unless they are very still at point of kick which then really defeats the point of clowning around? You are better off standing off centre and then diving the other way? That's what I used to do when younger with a fair few saved. Up The Skill UTG I'll go out and say that I do really like Daly and what a fine assist last night for Mehew. More Positives to get from the last two games than negatives such as his endless energy on and off the ball, on the break he pulls defenders out of position and draws them in when in possession giving opportunity for space for others. Harasses the defenders forcing them to play under pressure. I agree for now he is more suited as a support striker at the moment... lets not forget that he is only 20 so lots more to come from him. |
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Post by phillistine on Oct 7, 2020 12:53:24 GMT
Totally disagree about Marcus Stewart. He was a star immediately. Didn’t he score on his debut v Ipswich in the championship? Scored 3 goals in his first 2 games as an 18 year old. This may be true but i am just going on my memory of watching him play. i can only repeat that i remember watching Marcus Stewart and seeing him mature into what i perceived to be a reliable and good player after an initial period of being in and out of the team - i suppose that still might make him a star. i was trying however to make the point that it took him time to develop into the player that he became. i do notice that he was on the bench for both of our cup ties against Liverpool which would have been unthinkable when he became the " star". Back to my original point - Daly has the potential to become a good player and goalscorer but it takes a little time. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 13:27:30 GMT
Totally disagree about Marcus Stewart. He was a star immediately. Didn’t he score on his debut v Ipswich in the championship? You may be right to suggest that Marcus scored on his debut - I genuinely don’t know - but that didn’t make him a star player immediately. I remember watching this young player on the fringe behind Saunders and Devon white turn into a regular prolific striker who in his 5 th season got the big ticket move . Daly has played what 4 games - that is my point . I remember it differently. His touch, off the ball running and awareness made him a real stand out even after just a few games. |
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Post by brads213 on Oct 7, 2020 13:48:59 GMT
One word describes last night. PATHETIC
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 13:55:12 GMT
One word describes last night. PATHETIC What did you do wrong? |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Oct 7, 2020 16:00:19 GMT
Who threaded the ball through for the attack where we were awarded a penalty???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 16:06:57 GMT
One word describes last night. PATHETIC You really should keep your wifes feedback about your bedroom efforts to yourself .... |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 7, 2020 16:33:47 GMT
Was odds on Baldwin would miss Agree with this. Only one I was confident would missm |
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