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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 10, 2020 20:04:08 GMT
Seems alot of managers and fans berate the referee when they lose? 🤔
Curle last week said it was harsh sending off.
Can't think it would ever apply to us!?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 20:16:16 GMT
I didn't watch today but great result and sounds like we deserved it! On the point about penalties, while we can't rely on getting them, there does seem to be one in every game I watch at the moment! I know that's partly VAR but Rovers too. I went to watch Larkhall v Mangotsfield today and there was another penalty! Who won? A mate of mine is managing Mangotsfield. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 20:19:47 GMT
I think my message is getting a bit misunderstood- I would have not said anything and like you say enjoyed a welcome surprise win from a game I had us down to lose, but I was prompted to give my opinion by the posters who were baiting the “naysayers” by giving it the old “where are you tonight then?!” stuff. So I just wanted to say that I am still here, not entirely convinced and mainly that’s because I’m not convinced the goals are in this team because we’ve had to rely on a lot of pens and we’ve all been watching football long enough to know that no-one goes through a whole season getting pens every game, we’ll probably find the pens will dry up for a while soon and we’ll need to put score our defence from open play. Have we got the finishers to be able to do that? I think that’s an entirely fair response to the people who are asking for a reaction. So from here we’ll have to wait and see whether I’ve actually got a point or whether we go on to find our 15 goal a season striker and score for fun on our own merits. You might never know if we will have a 15/20 goals a season striker or natural finisher as they keep being fouled before they have a chance to score. Absolutely, but we don’t live in a world where guaranteed pens are always given. It’s simply the way it is that refs often bottle penalties because they can materially significantly affect the game. Put it another way, if you were to look at the penalty market for a game with the bookies the price for a penalty to be awarded in a game is usually around 4/1, that’s quite a big price considering Gaschat seems to think they are awarded every time there is a foul in the box. The odds are that high because penalties are uncommon and we’ve had something like 4 in 5 games and we have needed every one of those pens to get a result. It’s not negativity, it’s probability. We need to score goals from open play. How many have we scored from open play in 5 league games? Of those how many have our strikers scored? Some interesting questions there. Like I say I’m not convinced going forward that Daly, Ayunga and Hanlan have got a striker’s instinct to get enough goals between them even with the rest of the team chipping in. Time will tell though, happy for this to be bounced back to the top if we progress to free scoring football. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 20:23:08 GMT
You might never know if we will have a 15/20 goals a season striker or natural finisher as they keep being fouled before they have a chance to score. Absolutely, but we don’t live in a world where guaranteed pens are always given. It’s simply the way it is that refs often bottle penalties because they can materially significantly affect the game. Put it another way, if you were to look at the penalty market for a game with the bookies the price for a penalty to be awarded in a game is usually around 4/1, that’s quite a big price considering Gaschat seems to think they are awarded every time there is a foul in the box. The odds are that high because penalties are uncommon and we’ve had something like 4 in 5 games and we have needed every one of those pens to get a result. It’s not negativity, it’s probability. We need to score goals from open play. How many have we scored from open play in 5 league games? Of those how many have our strikers scored? Some interesting questions there. Like I say I’m not convinced going forward that Daly, Ayunga and Hanlan have got a striker’s instinct to get enough goals between them even with the rest of the team chipping in. Time will tell though, happy for this to be bounced back to the top if we progress to free scoring football. I’m happy winning away to the top of the league side - even if we are not scoring the right type of goals 😀 |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 10, 2020 20:32:20 GMT
Lots of good performances today and I loved the way everyone fought for the win during the last 10 minutes when it was about surviving to get the win. As others have just said the pens were both correct decisions but we’ve seen tackles like that given where it wasn’t today. And we’ve seen our penalty turned down on other days. Liked Daly and Tutonda and Hanlan especially today. But the 3 CHs are beginning to play well together and that will be important.
It’s a great win esp after last weeks win and the good performance at Oxford. It all means a great Saturday night for gasheads. But it’s only a win and we move on to the next match which is winnable. I’m sure BG and the players will start on that come Monday after a great weekend. I just hope we give them as much respect as we gave Lincoln because it will be just as hard if not harder.
UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 10, 2020 20:37:38 GMT
You might never know if we will have a 15/20 goals a season striker or natural finisher as they keep being fouled before they have a chance to score. Absolutely, but we don’t live in a world where guaranteed pens are always given. It’s simply the way it is that refs often bottle penalties because they can materially significantly affect the game. Put it another way, if you were to look at the penalty market for a game with the bookies the price for a penalty to be awarded in a game is usually around 4/1, that’s quite a big price considering Gaschat seems to think they are awarded every time there is a foul in the box. The odds are that high because penalties are uncommon and we’ve had something like 4 in 5 games and we have needed every one of those pens to get a result. It’s not negativity, it’s probability. We need to score goals from open play. How many have we scored from open play in 5 league games? Of those how many have our strikers scored? Some interesting questions there. Like I say I’m not convinced going forward that Daly, Ayunga and Hanlan have got a striker’s instinct to get enough goals between them even with the rest of the team chipping in. Time will tell though, happy for this to be bounced back to the top if we progress to free scoring football. Don't you mean your sat at home praying they don't have enough goals between them? Every post is the same, never anything positive to say about the owner, the manager or the players. At the end of the day we have no control over what strikers BG brings in. I didn't see anything in today's game to suggest Lincoln have any better strikers in their side. |
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Post by james246 on Oct 10, 2020 20:40:20 GMT
Solid performance today and I felt it was a deserved win, I thought DT was excellent and I am not sure why the Evening Post do not fully recognize his abilities in the merit marks they give him.
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Post by socrates on Oct 10, 2020 20:56:16 GMT
Solid performance today and I felt it was a deserved win, I thought DT was excellent and I am not sure why the Evening Post do not fully recognize his abilities in the merit marks they give him. The evening post don’t know their arse from their elbow I wouldn’t worry about it. |
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Post by althepirate on Oct 10, 2020 21:02:40 GMT
Having been through a week where twenty plus different players played well the credit must go to the coaching, tactics and game plans.
Wait until we get to Almondsbury!
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 10, 2020 21:03:14 GMT
Having said that today's was probably 50/50 and comes into the 'seen them given' category Excellent post! Totally agree. But if you use refs decision one week that go against you, then ignore the one's that go for you, and present that as a credible reason for why we lost.......heavily v Doncaster, it's disingenuous. We won today because we deserved to, I totally agree with the post. When we lose its always ref, journey or some other fault. Not BG. Think that's a fair criticism there will always be decisions in matches that go both ways and they dont necessarily determine the result. Doncaster was a good example the 2nd goal is a blatant push and should have been disallowed but that wasnt the reason we lost, we defended poorly which cost us. I dont think mentioning it in the post match was wrong as it was a big moment but that should have been followed by an admission that our defending let us down. I do think BG needs to be cut abit of slack though, he's a rookie manager, like inexperienced players he'll make mistakes and saying the right thing when having a microphone shoved in your face after a 4-1 beating isnt something you get to worry about as a coach. |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 10, 2020 21:32:32 GMT
You might never know if we will have a 15/20 goals a season striker or natural finisher as they keep being fouled before they have a chance to score. Absolutely, but we don’t live in a world where guaranteed pens are always given. It’s simply the way it is that refs often bottle penalties because they can materially significantly affect the game. Put it another way, if you were to look at the penalty market for a game with the bookies the price for a penalty to be awarded in a game is usually around 4/1, that’s quite a big price considering Gaschat seems to think they are awarded every time there is a foul in the box. The odds are that high because penalties are uncommon and we’ve had something like 4 in 5 games and we have needed every one of those pens to get a result. It’s not negativity, it’s probability. We need to score goals from open play. How many have we scored from open play in 5 league games? Of those how many have our strikers scored? Some interesting questions there. Like I say I’m not convinced going forward that Daly, Ayunga and Hanlan have got a striker’s instinct to get enough goals between them even with the rest of the team chipping in. Time will tell though, happy for this to be bounced back to the top if we progress to free scoring football. Only a Rovers fan could complain about the way we score goals. You don't get penalties unless you are in the opposition box. Even then you still need to force a mistake from them and chances are the reason that mistake is made is because it's a goal scoring opportunity. I get you don't like Garner but it really feels like you're desperate to find an issue with this win. |
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Post by biggles on Oct 10, 2020 22:06:27 GMT
Best of luck for the remainder of the season, apart from when we play you again! |
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Post by yaz on Oct 10, 2020 22:51:04 GMT
Ffs ifollow had no problem last two occasions, today a bit cocky put it on at 245 after waiting 30 mins finally get a connection, but then witnessed a great performance Daly looking very strong. Hanlan was very strong and impressive, a good performance from all. Wish we could play the defensive line a bit higher, second half much better, their commentary so biased it was a joke. We are progressing week by week and think the players have bought into Garnerball, wish Zains delivery was a bit better at times from free kicks, but at corners we look strong. Tutonda wont be here long, great skill and exuberance. Can we forget last season and just enjoy what is evolving. UTG. I decided at 1/4 past 3 to watch because busy and watched on iPhone. Great connection straight away and never lost connection. First half boring as per both home and away commentaries. I watched first half with Radio Bristol commentary and don't know why but it switched to Radio Lincoln commentary second half (I did sign out at 1/2 time to read gaschat) and thought I would leave it there and Lincoln scored! We replied straight away. Lincoln commentary about our first half was we had possession but didn't move it upfield quickly. They thought the equaliser was great but seemed to be stunned by the quick response. Their commentary was generally fair but did go on about how long we were taking at our free kicks and throw ins but did berate their players for giving cheap fouls. They did say that Lincoln would have done the same in Rovers position as well. The commentators did not seem to know the names of any Rovers players; need to prepare properly for any match beforehand. As the game went on, their commentary was very fair; agreed with penalty decision and with sending off and all the cheap free kicks Lincoln were giving away and the fight Rovers were showing as they were getting visibly tired trying to hold on to the 3 points. Agree we should have played higher and not sat so deep especially against 10 men but stalwart defending by all as shown by Jakkola not being called upon too much. Just a point about free kicks and corners. Westbrook, if he is the sole taker, needs to vary and improve his delivery. Generally too floaty and too deep. Needs more whip and pace sometimes. This has been mentioned before. Who is replacement taker? Mix it a bit? Hare has a great cross? Very nervy last 15 plus 7 minutes! Great win. PS Could not understand why Upson came on? PPS Lincoln looked a physical team, easily flustered and frustrated if things don't go their way? Not a good sign for a long, wet, wintery season and as it looks likely to be a very open but tough division with anyone capable of beating anyone else. Ipswich are the only team that really stand out for me so far? There was more bite in our midfield but still some way to go yet? UTG |
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Post by yaz on Oct 10, 2020 22:57:56 GMT
Yep, next week could be more of a test as the first game this season I am not actually expecting us to win. We could be gone for a Burton?! Top Man! Did Burton's not go bust? Are you taking the biscuit? PS Some fans were calling on Clough for our manager? |
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Post by blueblood1883 on Oct 10, 2020 23:06:12 GMT
I didn't watch today but great result and sounds like we deserved it! On the point about penalties, while we can't rely on getting them, there does seem to be one in every game I watch at the moment! I know that's partly VAR but Rovers too. I went to watch Larkhall v Mangotsfield today and there was another penalty! Who won? A mate of mine is managing Mangotsfield. They lost 3-0 I believe.. |
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Post by yaz on Oct 10, 2020 23:07:53 GMT
In a packed atmospheric, boisterously chanting of the Thatcher's End, if exactly the same situation was reversed....... would you not scream PENNNNNNNNALTY? Remind me when the Thatchers End was packed with boisterous chanting as I stand there every week and it's a morgue most weeks as watching GCs football drained the life out of people. And yes I would shout for a penalty as would 99% of people but look back at it the ref has got it spot on just like he got ours spot on as that could have been given as a free kick on the edge. I don't understand your whinging of BGs interviews the majority of other managers are exactly the same they will find excuses for a loss and the majority will not blame themselves for getting team selection or tactics wrong. Lincoln commentary said our penalty was given / confirmed by the linesman putting the flag across his midriff (penalty signal). It was the right decision agreed by everyone including Lincoln commentary. The Lincoln one was definitely a 50/50 one, ie. some referees give it, others don't! With our previous seasons luck, I thought he was going to give it? As the game went on, I thought the referee and linesmen were very good. They could have booked more of their players for repeatedly fouling but ....... PS I generally think the referees in this country are very poor at all levels and linesmen never really make decisions with a few exceptions. I think today's officials were very good as an exception to the norm. PPS Worth putting money on each game that opposition player sent off and / or we will get a penalty?!!!!! UTG |
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 10, 2020 23:29:10 GMT
Ffs ifollow had no problem last two occasions, today a bit cocky put it on at 245 after waiting 30 mins finally get a connection, but then witnessed a great performance Daly looking very strong. Hanlan was very strong and impressive, a good performance from all. Wish we could play the defensive line a bit higher, second half much better, their commentary so biased it was a joke. We are progressing week by week and think the players have bought into Garnerball, wish Zains delivery was a bit better at times from free kicks, but at corners we look strong. Tutonda wont be here long, great skill and exuberance. Can we forget last season and just enjoy what is evolving. UTG. I decided at 1/4 past 3 to watch because busy and watched on iPhone. Great connection straight away and never lost connection. First half boring as per both home and away commentaries. I watched first half with Radio Bristol commentary and don't know why but it switched to Radio Lincoln commentary second half (I did sign out at 1/2 time to read gaschat) and thought I would leave it there and Lincoln scored! We replied straight away. Lincoln commentary about our first half was we had possession but didn't move it upfield quickly. They thought the equaliser was great but seemed to be stunned by the quick response. Their commentary was generally fair but did go on about how long we were taking at our free kicks and throw ins but did berate their players for giving cheap fouls. They did say that Lincoln would have done the same in Rovers position as well. The commentators did not seem to know the names of any Rovers players; need to prepare properly for any match beforehand. As the game went on, their commentary was very fair; agreed with penalty decision and with sending off and all the cheap free kicks Lincoln were giving away and the fight Rovers were showing as they were getting visibly tired trying to hold on to the 3 points. Agree we should have played higher and not sat so deep especially against 10 men but stalwart defending by all as shown by Jakkola not being called upon too much. Just a point about free kicks and corners. Westbrook, if he is the sole taker, needs to vary and improve his delivery. Generally too floaty and too deep. Needs more whip and pace sometimes. This has been mentioned before. Who is replacement taker? Mix it a bit? Hare has a great cross? Very nervy last 15 plus 7 minutes! Great win. PS Could not understand why Upson came on? PPS Lincoln looked a physical team, easily flustered and frustrated if things don't go their way? Not a good sign for a long, wet, wintery season and as it looks likely to be a very open but tough division with anyone capable of beating anyone else. Ipswich are the only team that really stand out for me so far? There was more bite in our midfield but still some way to go yet? UTG Ipswich and Sunderland are the only 2 unbeaten teams and we have played them both already. Looks like quite an open league at the moment. Anyone can beat anyone. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 11, 2020 6:25:14 GMT
We could be gone for a Burton?! Top Man! Did Burton's not go bust? Are you taking the biscuit? PS Some fans were calling on Clough for our manager? Haha! Top Man, indeed....think I bought a tie from there once to get into Papillons....then the bouncer whom shall remain nameless (P) refused me entry. Again. Thinking both TM & B are gone now? Yes, I think Clough is very investable. Methinks Pompey might have a foot in the door if they're looking for a replacement Jacket. Go to Burton's to replace your Jacket. |
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Post by peterparker on Oct 11, 2020 6:34:56 GMT
Solid performance today and I felt it was a deserved win, I thought DT was excellent and I am not sure why the Evening Post do not fully recognize his abilities in the merit marks they give him. We dont want to tell the world how good he is |
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Post by northseagas on Oct 11, 2020 6:44:45 GMT
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