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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 17, 2020 22:15:04 GMT
FWIW. Westbrooke is comfortable on the ball but needs to play 10 yards further up consistently, too defensive today. If he needs to go deeper to get possession then he needs to move forward with the ball before releasing. He can ping the ball accurately to Hare to cause any team lots of problems. Hare then crosses but we can’t convert. Hare played well and causes teams problems when he pushes on but Tutonda today was not as good as before. It happens, League 1 players will be inconsistent. Never a threat today but he did alright defensively. Thought Grant had a good game, perhaps his best and was there to clear up. He was a good support to ZW and McCormick but McC seemed to disappear for periods. Not unusual for a young player, he’ll get better. But today wasn’t his best. The back 3 played ok and Akins didn’t get much of a look in where it mattered. They just have to be able to manage balls into the box. Their goal, must have had 10 Rovers players in the 6 yard box yet not one could get a boot on it. Sunday League for that minute. Front two were ok and Daly showed he is the finisher with a great finish, neat feet. You could see for his goal he anticipated what was going to happen just before it did and moved quickly, a split second before. Well done. Somehow I’d like to see Nicholson in the team, he’s very comfortable on the ball and brings a bit of class to the team. And we’ve learnt after Sunderland, Ipswich and today that we need to be better at managing games when we’re not playing well. Points lost near the end of the game on all three games. Senior players which I suppose means Ehmer, Upson need to be BGs lieutenants on the field and see the game out. Fair play to Burton, far better than Northampton and just about deserved a point, though that was due to us dropping off, not their own play. Vassilev was good and the lad who came on, Powell did well. But they looked good in areas that didn’t really hurt us. In the end two teams, fairly equal got a point each. Now we move on with two winnable matches. Not saying we will win both but we should play to win. Shrewsbury and Accrington, two teams I’d hope to finish above this season. Get decent results and October will have been a good month. Fingers crossed. UTG! Agree about Westbrooke dropping too deep but IMO the main reason he did that today was because of how safe & sideways the three CBs were passing the ball most of the time. The whole idea of having two ‘ball-playing’ CBs like Harries & Baldwin in the team is that they can step into midfield with it, pick out forward passes & allow the midfielders to play higher up the pitch and not drop deep to start the play themselves. But that wasn’t happening today & so I think that’s why we saw Westbrooke moving progressively deeper as the game went on. |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 17, 2020 22:15:50 GMT
FWIW. Westbrooke is comfortable on the ball but needs to play 10 yards further up consistently, too defensive today. If he needs to go deeper to get possession then he needs to move forward with the ball before releasing. He can ping the ball accurately to Hare to cause any team lots of problems. Hare then crosses but we can’t convert. Hare played well and causes teams problems when he pushes on but Tutonda today was not as good as before. It happens, League 1 players will be inconsistent. Never a threat today but he did alright defensively. Thought Grant had a good game, perhaps his best and was there to clear up. He was a good support to ZW and McCormick but McC seemed to disappear for periods. Not unusual for a young player, he’ll get better. But today wasn’t his best....... I think now we have the Turkish messi he will be the one playing higher up the pitch rather than Westbrooke. I can see why you would like to see him in a more advanced position but his game is all about picking the ball up from deeper positions and creating movement appossed to the number 10 role. Personally I think we are blessed with a talent of creative midfielders and I think it will be hard for BG to keep them all happy. Yes, I think you’ll be right about Oztumer and Westbrooke. But one of them needs to do it and perhaps ZW will sit deeper and try and control things from there. ZW likes space to be able to take a pace and pass. After years of lacking any real creativity in midfield we look to have two really creative players, albeit in different ways, in ZW and Oztumer. UTG! |
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Post by onedaygas83 on Oct 17, 2020 22:26:49 GMT
Exciting indeed and we now look like a team that can play football and not just pump aimless long balls forward! Looking at our options from the subs bench I cant remember a bench to be as strong as this even with the few promotion teams we've had over the years? We now have players who can come on and change games and give our opponents a headache.
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 17, 2020 22:34:19 GMT
Can't help but feel a tad deflated after that. Didn't think we ever really got going. Not awful but not good, bang average.
First half was a complete non event. Neither side looked up for it in the opening 45 and if any game has ever had 0-0 written all over it, this was it.
Started to look a little more lively at the start of the second half and Burton kindly gifted us a glorious chance to take the lead which was very well converted by Daly.
I was hoping that would settle us down and we'd start to play with a bit more confidence but the opposite happened. We stopped passing the ball, lost our composure in possession and got so deep we were playing with a back 8 at times.
We got deservedly punished 10 minutes from time and then had our best spell of the game. We finally put them under some concerted pressure and were unfortunate not to grab a winner with a possible penalty and Nicholsons header off the bar.
There were positives. Hare played very well and put in some excellent crosses. Daly worked hard and took his goal superbly. Hanlon was a real handful again and with the exception of the goal we looked fairly solid at the back.
However, there is still plenty to work on. I'm still not convinced by the Grant, Westbrooke and McCormick combination in midfield. They really didn't have much influence on todays game and went missing after we took the lead. They need to help us control the game better and that should have been possible against a poor Burton side. We also need to start defending set pieces.
Overall, disappointed but not too downbeat. I think it's easy to get carried away after a couple of wins but we're certainly not the finished article yet.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Oct 18, 2020 3:23:49 GMT
Very much work in progress. Hare my MOM. Sloppy goal conceded. At least the team is trying to play a passing game from the back, the pace and connect between between midfield and the attack needs to be slicker, however from what I can see at the moment we should stay up this season which for me is a minimum target. Utg
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 3:42:40 GMT
Exciting indeed and we now look like a team that can play football and not just pump aimless long balls forward! Looking at our options from the subs bench I cant remember a bench to be as strong as this even with the few promotion teams we've had over the years? We now have players who can come on and change games and give our opponents a headache. But playing devils advocate what if we never reach the heights of 4th? What if the best Garner ball can do is the worst of Coughlan ball? An interesting yet unpalatable truth, potentially. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 6:35:12 GMT
Exciting indeed and we now look like a team that can play football and not just pump aimless long balls forward! Looking at our options from the subs bench I cant remember a bench to be as strong as this even with the few promotion teams we've had over the years? We now have players who can come on and change games and give our opponents a headache. But playing devils advocate what if we never reach the heights of 4th? What if the best Garner ball can do is the worst of Coughlan ball? An interesting yet unpalatable truth, potentially. If we are going to bring back Coughlan we’d better do it quick before one of the big prem sides come in for him. Top managers like him don’t stay available for long. 😀 |
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Post by neogas on Oct 18, 2020 6:55:36 GMT
The big decision was the penalty and the foul on Ansi - it was the difference between 2-0 and 1-1 Hanlan had a fairly easy chance to score in the second half, so we can hardly blame the ref this week for not winning. Chances come and go. All strikers miss chances and all referees make mistakes. The difference is 1 striker vs 4 match day officials with a communication system. A refereeing mistake is often more costly and more avoidable than a missed header. That being said I think yesterday was an important part of a young teams learning curve. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 7:08:04 GMT
Exciting indeed and we now look like a team that can play football and not just pump aimless long balls forward! Looking at our options from the subs bench I cant remember a bench to be as strong as this even with the few promotion teams we've had over the years? We now have players who can come on and change games and give our opponents a headache. But playing devils advocate what if we never reach the heights of 4th? What if the best Garner ball can do is the worst of Coughlan ball? An interesting yet unpalatable truth, potentially. Not like you to play devils advocate 365! 😃 |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 18, 2020 7:52:08 GMT
Kinda just got back.
I thought we played well and were unlucky not to take all three points.
The best clear cut chances fell to us, both teams made unforced errors - them more than us - and especially for the goals, both defences should be looking at themselves intensely.
I have to say, even though it's been the most encouraging transfer window in recent memory, I still would have preferred to have signed a recognised striker. Some of the missed opportunities might have been converted.....but tbh it's great we are constructing them from open play.
My m o m was Hare for his constant menace with mostly very decent crosses into the box....I would have preferred him get tighter to his opponent in defence to prevent crosses into our box, but his holistic play, effort, tempo and engine was worthy of mention.
Really liked Baldwin contribution today. Some great blocks and physical defending was important.
Not so much so for Ehmer, I'm still left wondering....but as we can't actually see in live time, it's difficult to formulate if his inclusion is warranted (?).
Ok, Burton didn't play as poorly as Northampton previously, I thought they defended well and relied in their (occasionally) well constructed set pieces for breaks through (I still think we allow too much space in the box with poor marking....I counted 10 blue and white players in our box for the conceded goal(?)) , but what they did best was capitalise on their period of being on the front foot, whereas we didn't convert our chances. If wanted to be cruel, you could argue first two BG subs actually helped Burton as they scored very soon after! But I think that observation is harsh and not valid for that match..
Much like our Sunderland away, the away team will be happier with a draw because if it was a boxing match, the home team would have been clear winners.
So, for me, both matches cancel themselves out for me...one a draw to them, one a draw to us...
An entertaining game and it keeps our unbeaten run intact....well done BG and players for going for the win and coming out unlucky this time.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 18, 2020 8:13:03 GMT
Can't help but feel a tad deflated after that. Didn't think we ever really got going. Not awful but not good, bang average. First half was a complete non event. Neither side looked up for it in the opening 45 and if any game has ever had 0-0 written all over it, this was it. Started to look a little more lively at the start of the second half and Burton kindly gifted us a glorious chance to take the lead which was very well converted by Daly. I was hoping that would settle us down and we'd start to play with a bit more confidence but the opposite happened. We stopped passing the ball, lost our composure in possession and got so deep we were playing with a back 8 at times. We got deservedly punished 10 minutes from time and then had our best spell of the game. We finally put them under some concerted pressure and were unfortunate not to grab a winner with a possible penalty and Nicholsons header off the bar. There were positives. Hare played very well and put in some excellent crosses. Daly worked hard and took his goal superbly. Hanlon was a real handful again and with the exception of the goal we looked fairly solid at the back. However, there is still plenty to work on. I'm still not convinced by the Grant, Westbrooke and McCormick combination in midfield. They really didn't have much influence on todays game and went missing after we took the lead. They need to help us control the game better and that should have been possible against a poor Burton side. We also need to start defending set pieces. Overall, disappointed but not too downbeat. I think it's easy to get carried away after a couple of wins but we're certainly not the finished article yet. Yep, agree with all of this. The midfield balance definitely still needs some work & improving the connection between the midfield and attack will make us a much better side. Maybe that’s where Oztumer comes in. Also felt like Tutonda was almost completely nullified as an attacking threat by Burton playing Akins as RWB on his side, which meant we had very little width down the left when in possession. Perhaps we could have gone to a back 4 and put Nicholson/JML at LW to pin Akins back & make him do some defending? Anyway, stuff to like & lots to learn from. 7 points from the last 3 is great. |
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Post by justin blue on Oct 18, 2020 9:20:45 GMT
I am hoping that Oztumer will be the link man or sort of midfield hub Modric type player which we seem to be lacking at the moment . I thought I saw enough in his movement and distribution during his little cameo to have me licking my lips in anticipation of his full debut.
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Post by playtowin on Oct 18, 2020 11:53:13 GMT
Many have mentioned Hare's performance today and some of the excellent crosses he puts in.
It so far appears though that whilst Hanlan has many good attributes to his game being on the end of crosses may not actually be one of them (?)
Hanlan so far looks far more menacing holding the ball up , running onto through balls, creating chances for himself running into the box.
So maybe Hanlan is better to make diversion runs drawing players out of position creating more space when the cross comes in for someone running in from deep ??
McCormick perhaps ?
Anyway was just a ponder out loud
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 18, 2020 11:56:17 GMT
So maybe Hanlan is better to make diversion runs drawing players out of position creating more space when the cross comes in for someone running in from deep ?? McCormick perhaps ? Oztumer? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 12:01:29 GMT
Kinda just got back. I thought we played well and were unlucky not to take all three points. The best clear cut chances fell to us, both teams made unforced errors - them more than us - and especially for the goals, both defences should be looking at themselves intensely. I have to say, even though it's been the most encouraging transfer window in recent memory, I still would have preferred to have signed a recognised striker. Some of the missed opportunities might have been converted.....but tbh it's great we are constructing them from open play. My m o m was Hare for his constant menace with mostly very decent crosses into the box....I would have preferred him get tighter to his opponent in defence to prevent crosses into our box, but his holistic play, effort, tempo and engine was worthy of mention. Really liked Baldwin contribution today. Some great blocks and physical defending was important. Not so much so for Ehmer, I'm still left wondering....but as we can't actually see in live time, it's difficult to formulate if his inclusion is warranted (?). Ok, Burton didn't play as poorly as Northampton previously, I thought they defended well and relied in their (occasionally) well constructed set pieces for breaks through (I still think we allow too much space in the box with poor marking....I counted 10 blue and white players in our box for the conceded goal(?)) , but what they did best was capitalise on their period of being on the front foot, whereas we didn't convert our chances. If wanted to be cruel, you could argue first two BG subs actually helped Burton as they scored very soon after! But I think that observation is harsh and not valid for that match.. Much like our Sunderland away, the away team will be happier with a draw because if it was a boxing match, the home team would have been clear winners. So, for me, both matches cancel themselves out for me...one a draw to them, one a draw to us... An entertaining game and it keeps our unbeaten run intact....well done BG and players for going for the win and coming out unlucky this time. Totally agree, it seemed criminal and very very hipster to me that we loaded up on so many midfielders and defenders yet couldnt sign a striker with any sort of pedigree. That being said Daly seems like he could be quite a find. I’m not sure it’s typical at all for a young lad to net 10-15 goals in his first full season in the men’s game but we are going to need him to do that at this rate because Hanlan looks like he couldn’t hit a cow’s arse with a banjo despite his good play around the rest of the pitch. Daly seems most likely to be the one to get the goals for us and that worries me given his age. |
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Post by playtowin on Oct 18, 2020 12:08:16 GMT
So maybe Hanlan is better to make diversion runs drawing players out of position creating more space when the cross comes in for someone running in from deep ?? McCormick perhaps ? Oztumer? Possibly....a little on the short side for the higher crosses. It's about timing and position though . Jamie Cureton scored plenty of headed goals and he is no giant |
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Oct 18, 2020 13:16:45 GMT
The same starting XI has delivered 7 points out of 9 so I have no reservations about them starting the next game. However, if you were to rank our players in terms of experience and ability I would think both Nicholson and Oztumer would be in the top XI, I doubt they are getting twitchy just yet, Oz has only just got through the door, but I expect both will wish to see an increase in their match day minutes before long. Question is do they fit easily into the 5-3-2 formation that’s produced the improved results or do we return to the 3-4-3 we started the season with, or even revert to 4-4-2?
Interesting that Leahy wasn’t the worst on the pitch in the early games but is now behind Tutonda when we need a wing back and not being as defensively sound as Kelly, I’d suggest he’s not first choice when we play with two full backs. I believe Hare should be first choice on the right regardless of whether it’s RWB or RB but I was impressed enough by Little in preseason and the early games to consider him a strong challenger for the RCB role...if he ever shakes off the calf injury. At least BGs problems do not include trying to scrape a side together from the bare bones, previously if our options were shorn of 5 first teamers of the likes of Little, Rodman, Ayunga, Davies and Barrett we’d already be filling the bench with youngsters.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 18, 2020 13:23:41 GMT
Exciting indeed and we now look like a team that can play football and not just pump aimless long balls forward! Looking at our options from the subs bench I cant remember a bench to be as strong as this even with the few promotion teams we've had over the years? We now have players who can come on and change games and give our opponents a headache. But playing devils advocate what if we never reach the heights of 4th? What if the best Garner ball can do is the worst of Coughlan ball? An interesting yet unpalatable truth, potentially. yawn yawn yawn |
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Post by markczgas on Oct 18, 2020 13:32:43 GMT
Think some of the comments about Hanlan are harsh. He caused their backline problems more and more as the game went on. He's getting into good positions. Came close to scoring with his left (a whisker away) before our 1st goal. With the so-called easy header - for me it wasn't because the ball dropped to about waist height when it got to him - do you use your head or foot ?
Him and Daly are a good combination - they need to see more of the ball - hopefully Otzumer, Westbrook and Nicholson can give better service in the weeks to come.
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Post by CrispPusher on Oct 18, 2020 13:53:43 GMT
Think some of the comments about Hanlan are harsh. He caused their backline problems more and more as the game went on. He's getting into good positions. Came close to scoring with his left (a whisker away) before our 1st goal. With the so-called easy header - for me it wasn't because the ball dropped to about waist height when it got to him - do you use your head or foot ? Him and Daly are a good combination - they need to see more of the ball - hopefully Otzumer, Westbrook and Nicholson can give better service in the weeks to come. I'm a massive fan of Hanlan but he's clearly more of an attacking winger than a number 9, a natural goalscorer would've hung back when the cross was put in rather than continue with their run going beyond the path of the ball in the way he did. Fortunately Daly is stepping up to the plate and seems to have a the instinct of a goal scorer, scoring what would've taken Tom Nichols 2 years in a week! |
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