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Post by tinner on Dec 6, 2020 11:57:03 GMT
No doubt all those outraged at Millwall supporters voicing their opinion at the BLM indoctrination wont think twice about joining the Qatar 2022 Word cup band waggon........never mind slave labour and gay rights etc
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 6, 2020 12:22:36 GMT
No doubt all those outraged at Millwall supporters voicing their opinion at the BLM indoctrination wont think twice about joining the Qatar 2022 Word cup band waggon........never mind slave labour and gay rights etc Absolutely not. Why would you assume that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 12:48:12 GMT
I would be so ashamed to stand on the terraces at Rovers if there were people there that would do what these Millwall fans did. So much so that I don’t think I would want to return and be associated with them. Some things are more important than football, this is one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 12:52:50 GMT
If you’re against an anti-racism movement, that makes you racist. It’s as simple as that.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Dec 6, 2020 13:11:35 GMT
At least we’ve ousted some closet racists on this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 13:50:09 GMT
First of all there is an assumption that the the booing was racist. Is that a correct assumption? For me, I wouldn’t boo it but I certainly don’t agree with players being told to take a knee because when you have to tell people to do it (which it seems the premier league have done) it loses all meaning and becomes pointless. So for me, the cause is immaterial- it’s making a political point through an action in such a way that everyone involved can’t possibly have any real freedom to do something other than take a knee because they will be singled out and ridiculed or worse, as deemed in this thread, outed as racist.
Look at QPR who decided to take a stand against taking the knee- they were given pelters by the media. There is no freedom of choice here in terms of what you do and that for me renders the whole thing pointless so on that score I can see why people would boo and I would support that. Booing because you disagree with the concept of black lives mattering or because you are against the idea of being anti-racist is obviously a completely different matter but as usual some are viewing football fans as a homogeneous mass and so if there is booing at Millwall then of course it’s because everyone who goes to the New Den is a racist.
You wouldn’t get away with stereo typing other groups in society that tritely And lazily but you can do it to football fans and, to no great surprise, it’s other football fans doing the stereo-typing
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Post by francegas on Dec 6, 2020 13:53:31 GMT
At least we’ve ousted some closet racists on this thread. So let me get this right... If you say all lives matter your racist If your against political gestures being taken on the pitch, which afterall goes against Fifa's policies, remember the poppy argument, your racist. If your against a political movement because of the way they go about it, your racist. OK got it !!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 14:01:34 GMT
At least we’ve ousted some closet racists on this thread. So let me get this right... If you say all lives matter your racist If your against political gestures being taken on the pitch, which afterall goes against Fifa's policies, remember the poppy argument, your racist. If your against a political movement because of the way they go about it, your racist. OK got it !! I suspect that what we are seeing now is proof of why political actions on the pitch are banned by FIFA. Have they given special dispensation for this taking the knee? There has to be a better way for football to support the cause than this pre-match pantomime bollocks.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 6, 2020 14:20:19 GMT
So let me get this right... If you say all lives matter your racist If your against political gestures being taken on the pitch, which afterall goes against Fifa's policies, remember the poppy argument, your racist. If your against a political movement because of the way they go about it, your racist. OK got it !! I suspect that what we are seeing now is proof of why political actions on the pitch are banned by FIFA. Have they given special dispensation for this taking the knee? There has to be a better way for football to support the cause than this pre-match pantomime bollocks. If you've got any suggestions then fire away as clearly whatever has been done up to now clearly hasn't worked.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 14:26:55 GMT
I suspect that what we are seeing now is proof of why political actions on the pitch are banned by FIFA. Have they given special dispensation for this taking the knee? There has to be a better way for football to support the cause than this pre-match pantomime bollocks. If you've got any suggestions then fire away as clearly whatever has been done up to now clearly hasn't worked. Well quite, but how is taking the knee helping? As Dion Dublin put it, “it’s just printing T-shirts again”. I’m sure there are some bright minds in football who could come up with something better. In a sense it’s actually sheer laziness for such a rich sport where millions slip down the side of every sofa for the powers that be to say “we’ll show our support by forcing everyone just kneel for a couple of seconds before every game”, yeah great way for a pampered idiot who lives in a gated community to show solidarity with a cleaner on minimum wage who gets racial abuse on her way to work. Football could and should do better really.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 6, 2020 14:30:58 GMT
If you've got any suggestions then fire away as clearly whatever has been done up to now clearly hasn't worked. Well quite, but how is taking the knee helping? As Dion Dublin put it, “it’s just printing T-shirts again”. I’m sure there are some bright minds in football who could come up with something better. In a sense it’s actually sheer laziness for such a rich sport where millions slip down the side of every sofa for the powers that be to say “we’ll show our support by forcing everyone just kneel for a couple of seconds before every game”, yeah great way for a pampered idiot who lives in a gated community to show solidarity with a cleaner on minimum wage who gets racial abuse on her way to work. Football could and should do better really. It is at least staying in the public eye and a reminder before every game that there is still so much wrong. The old Kick it Out day once a season hasn't worked and we seem to be going backwards, especially with the rise of social media.
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Post by titchthephot on Dec 6, 2020 14:37:36 GMT
I suspect that what we are seeing now is proof of why political actions on the pitch are banned by FIFA. Have they given special dispensation for this taking the knee? There has to be a better way for football to support the cause than this pre-match pantomime bollocks. If you've got any suggestions then fire away as clearly whatever has been done up to now clearly hasn't worked. Going down on one knee to show respect to a career criminal who was murdered by a bent policeman 3000 miles away is hardly showing a disdain for racism. Do you really believe that racists seeing people do that will think "Oh, they are going down on one knee. I'd better stop being a racist then!". It doesn't help when BLM tells me that I am a racist because of the colour of my skin and that I had a privileged life. Wow! Some privilege living in a council house, born one year after rationing stopped, wearing second hand clothes ....the list goes on. I probably am slightly racist....but only because I don't like the French (no matter what colour they are!) but I am a firm believer that we are all equal not matter what our skin looks like. Muppets come in all shades. BLM is a marxist group, conceived in part by a convicted terrorist. They don't think the laws apply to them (criminal damage to a statue in Bristol springs to mind). They select a group based on the colour of their skin..(BLACK lives matter).how is that not racist?. If a footballer wants to go down on one knee that is fine with me but do it in the half time interval or during the warm up...not as part of the game. I genuinely don't believe that Millwall fans are any more racist than ours but I do believe they have the balls to say 'Enough of this crap. We are here to watch football NOT politics!!"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 14:46:05 GMT
Well quite, but how is taking the knee helping? As Dion Dublin put it, “it’s just printing T-shirts again”. I’m sure there are some bright minds in football who could come up with something better. In a sense it’s actually sheer laziness for such a rich sport where millions slip down the side of every sofa for the powers that be to say “we’ll show our support by forcing everyone just kneel for a couple of seconds before every game”, yeah great way for a pampered idiot who lives in a gated community to show solidarity with a cleaner on minimum wage who gets racial abuse on her way to work. Football could and should do better really. It is at least staying in the public eye and a reminder before every game that there is still so much wrong. The old Kick it Out day once a season hasn't worked and we seem to be going backwards, especially with the rise of social media. Yeah one day a season isn’t going to solve anything. The problem with keeping it in the public awareness in this way is that anyone with half an ounce of critical thought will see it for the sham that it is: A load of millionaires making a token gesture to raise awareness and show solidarity with people leading “normal” lives who face challenges some (most?) of these footballers can’t relate to. And when you add in that they’ve been told to do it by the governing body then it just compounds it. You asked what should they do and it’s just occurred to me that they can show some intent themselves by reforming from within. And that’s the real issue here: it’s easy and lazy for them to make the footballers do it, making personnel changes from within to promote a more diverse agenda are the hard yards that lead by example through actual action...hard yards that I’ll bet they don’t want to take. So yeah, go on FA, reform yourselves, show us how it’s done and then lecture us about racism and taking the knee. Wake me up when that happens won’t you...
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Dec 6, 2020 16:29:44 GMT
What Millwall fans did was only showing the dislike of BLM the movement, they are Marxist ( they admit this ) they encourage violence, burning flags, pulling down statues and defacing property. BLM has very little to do with Black people but everything to do with anarchy. Taking the knee was a BLM idea and a very bad idea at that. Oh ffs, get a grip, He/she/it has got a grip. But don't worry, once the economic effects of covid/brexit/USA election kick in, it will all blow over. Doesn't matter how pro-BLM anyone is, the sh** will hit everyone. And it will be real sh** too.
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Dec 6, 2020 16:31:57 GMT
It’s f**king embarrassing to read some of this racist supporting crap . Truly shameful . Absolute scumbags . Better get used to it.
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Post by tinner on Dec 6, 2020 17:10:24 GMT
No doubt all those outraged at Millwall supporters voicing their opinion at the BLM indoctrination wont think twice about joining the Qatar 2022 Word cup band waggon........never mind slave labour and gay rights etc Absolutely not. Why would you assume that? I guarantee that all the ‘outraged’ on here will watch the World Cup, cheer on England, and by default support the Qatar tournament..their righteousness only goes so far.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Dec 6, 2020 17:12:24 GMT
It’s f**king embarrassing to read some of this racist supporting crap . Truly shameful . Absolute scumbags . Better get used to it. How old are you?
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Post by tinner on Dec 6, 2020 17:34:28 GMT
If you’re against an anti-racism movement, that makes you racist. It’s as simple as that. Totally agree, but nobody is against an anti racism movement, evidenced by the fact that nobody has had any issues with the Kick It Out campaign...... they are against the indoctrination of an organisation whose aim is to destroy our society, and who, you are unable to challenge, debate, disagree with, without being labelled racist, just like you have just done!! Sad thing for you, is, that, no doubt, you think you have the moral high ground and you are reflecting the views of most, but trust me, the response from Millwall will have been cheered by the silent majority!!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 6, 2020 17:50:24 GMT
If you’re against an anti-racism movement, that makes you racist. It’s as simple as that. Totally agree, but nobody is against an anti racism movement, evidenced by the fact that nobody has had any issues with the Kick It Out campaign...... they are against the indoctrination of an organisation whose aim is to destroy our society, and who, you are unable to challenge, debate, disagree with, without being labelled racist, just like you have just done!! Sad thing for you, is, that, no doubt, you think you have the moral high ground and you are reflecting the views of most, but trust me, the response from Millwall will have been cheered by the silent majority!! Do you really believe the majority thought it was ok to boo players taking the knee?
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Post by tinner on Dec 6, 2020 17:55:14 GMT
Totally agree, but nobody is against an anti racism movement, evidenced by the fact that nobody has had any issues with the Kick It Out campaign...... they are against the indoctrination of an organisation whose aim is to destroy our society, and who, you are unable to challenge, debate, disagree with, without being labelled racist, just like you have just done!! Sad thing for you, is, that, no doubt, you think you have the moral high ground and you are reflecting the views of most, but trust me, the response from Millwall will have been cheered by the silent majority!! Do you really believe the majority thought it was ok to boo players taking the knee? Absolutely, 100%, but of course many will not declare it, for fear of being labelled racist.
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