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Post by yattongas on Jun 17, 2022 23:43:59 GMT
Hi Clive 👋 Still happy with your Brexit vote ? Not sure you will get many on here to admit their mistakes. I'm sure if it were to happen to me at some point, hypothetically speaking, I won't be keen to acknowledge it either. 😎 I’ll keep trying. Honesty is the best policy I was taught as a youngster and to admit your mistakes 😀👍
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2022 4:17:40 GMT
Maybe not. But she won't be in power forever. The Scots could apply to rejoin the UK if indeed they did leave. Like the Conservatives and Boris, there isn't really anyone obvious to replace her. Incidentally, I see there is a debate on WTO over on the other place, something I used to know a bit about in my jousting matches on the old Brexit thread. You may find this useful vis a vis treaty nomenclature. www.wto.org/english/res_e/publications_e/wto_legal_instruments_e.htmThanks
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 18, 2022 6:22:56 GMT
Hi Clive 👋 Still happy with your Brexit vote ? Not sure happy is a word I would use,very underwhelmed at what's happened since,for me a potential Golden opportunity to create a Global outward looking country,underpinned by fairness has been missed,due to incompetence.
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2022 6:51:09 GMT
Hi Clive 👋 Still happy with your Brexit vote ? Not sure happy is a word I would use,very underwhelmed at what's happened since,for me a potential Golden opportunity to create a Global outward looking country,underpinned by fairness has been missed,due to incompetence. But that's what we were as members of the EU. A leader in fact. Now we have drawn up the drawbridge and squabble like inward looking inbreds led by an incompetent and morally bankrupt group of people.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 18, 2022 6:58:19 GMT
Hi Clive 👋 Still happy with your Brexit vote ? Not sure happy is a word I would use,very underwhelmed at what's happened since,for me a potential Golden opportunity to create a Global outward looking country,underpinned by fairness has been missed,due to incompetence. That's politicians for you, they spoil it. Not entirely unforeseen though. Were your wishes mutually exclusive from membership though? Okay, things may have taken a bit longer and possibly more of a compromise but overall it wouldn't have been so bad, surely?
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Post by yattongas on Jun 18, 2022 7:28:22 GMT
Hi Clive 👋 Still happy with your Brexit vote ? Not sure happy is a word I would use,very underwhelmed at what's happened since,for me a potential Golden opportunity to create a Global outward looking country,underpinned by fairness has been missed,due to incompetence. We were never going to get better trade deals on our own unless we trashed our standards and lowered workers rights …… which is the way we’re heading by the looks of things.
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 18, 2022 7:31:41 GMT
Not sure happy is a word I would use,very underwhelmed at what's happened since,for me a potential Golden opportunity to create a Global outward looking country,underpinned by fairness has been missed,due to incompetence. That's politicians for you, they spoil it. Not entirely unforeseen though. Were your wishes mutually exclusive from membership though? Okay, things may have taken a bit longer and possibly more of a compromise but overall it wouldn't have been so bad, surely? Hi Stuart I had a few major concerns, particularly around economic/fiscal policy and greater integration,to have a harmonised budget etc greater control of fiscal policy would have been needed ,tax rates,interest rates etc and I could not see how that would help the diverse economies of the EU,indeed we saw what happened in Greece. My other concern is that the sheer volume of Countries leads to compromise and not necessarily the best decision,together the sclerotic pace of decision making.
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 18, 2022 7:33:07 GMT
Not sure happy is a word I would use,very underwhelmed at what's happened since,for me a potential Golden opportunity to create a Global outward looking country,underpinned by fairness has been missed,due to incompetence. But that's what we were as members of the EU. A leader in fact. Now we have drawn up the drawbridge and squabble like inward looking inbreds led by an incompetent and morally bankrupt group of people. Wouldn't argue with your last sentence
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 18, 2022 8:06:33 GMT
That's politicians for you, they spoil it. Not entirely unforeseen though. Were your wishes mutually exclusive from membership though? Okay, things may have taken a bit longer and possibly more of a compromise but overall it wouldn't have been so bad, surely? Hi Stuart I had a few major concerns, particularly around economic/fiscal policy and greater integration,to have a harmonised budget etc greater control of fiscal policy would have been needed ,tax rates,interest rates etc and I could not see how that would help the diverse economies of the EU,indeed we saw what happened in Greece. My other concern is that the sheer volume of Countries leads to compromise and not necessarily the best decision,together the sclerotic pace of decision making. Agree with your last point although that's the nature of the beast and covered in my previous post. Regarding the fiscal policies, that's more of the Euro zone. We had exemptions from those obligations and I don't think leaving will insulate us from any fallout anyway. I doubt we are going back anytime soon, although a more pragmatic approach and closer ties will help mitigate some of the problems we now face. Boris owes so much to the ERG wing that he cannot lose face by showing some sort of concession and we are much the poorer for it.
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 18, 2022 8:10:24 GMT
Hi Stuart I had a few major concerns, particularly around economic/fiscal policy and greater integration,to have a harmonised budget etc greater control of fiscal policy would have been needed ,tax rates,interest rates etc and I could not see how that would help the diverse economies of the EU,indeed we saw what happened in Greece. My other concern is that the sheer volume of Countries leads to compromise and not necessarily the best decision,together the sclerotic pace of decision making. Agree with your last point although that's the nature of the beast and covered in my previous post. Regarding the fiscal policies, that's more of the Euro zone. We had exemptions from those obligations and I don't think leaving will insulate us from any fallout anyway. I doubt we are going back anytime soon, although a more pragmatic approach and closer ties will help mitigate some of the problems we now face. Boris owes so much to the ERG wing that he cannot lose face by showing some sort of concession and we are much the poorer for it. Correct re the Eurozone however,I am not sure we would not have been compelled at some point. If we get a competent Labour government at the next election then I would hope that a significant part of their manifesto would be devoted to proposals to get closer without being fully in.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 18, 2022 9:09:04 GMT
Agree with your last point although that's the nature of the beast and covered in my previous post. Regarding the fiscal policies, that's more of the Euro zone. We had exemptions from those obligations and I don't think leaving will insulate us from any fallout anyway. I doubt we are going back anytime soon, although a more pragmatic approach and closer ties will help mitigate some of the problems we now face. Boris owes so much to the ERG wing that he cannot lose face by showing some sort of concession and we are much the poorer for it. Correct re the Eurozone however,I am not sure we would not have been compelled at some point. If we get a competent Labour government at the next election then I would hope that a significant part of their manifesto would be devoted to proposals to get closer without being fully in. Hi Clive, Not sure about compulsion, plenty of safeguards before that ever became a reality. But yes, hopefully we start to mend broken fences for all our benefit.
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Post by oldie on Jun 18, 2022 9:16:58 GMT
Correct re the Eurozone however,I am not sure we would not have been compelled at some point. If we get a competent Labour government at the next election then I would hope that a significant part of their manifesto would be devoted to proposals to get closer without being fully in. Hi Clive, Not sure about compulsion, plenty of safeguards before that ever became a reality. But yes, hopefully we start to mend broken fences for all our benefit. Indeed. If we do, mend broken fences, I wonder how long it will take to repair the damage that we have inflicted upon ourselves? For me this feels like suffering hallucinations due to a very high fever. Then we wake up.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 18, 2022 17:29:19 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jun 22, 2022 14:47:01 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2022 15:29:28 GMT
It's just an opinion piece with no real facts. Nothing to see here. 🙄
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Post by peterparker on Jun 24, 2022 10:56:33 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 25, 2022 14:45:11 GMT
Always read the small print, or in this case, the large, bold text. 🙄 "Boris Johnson has admitted he was too "optimistic" when he signed his "oven-ready" Brexit deal. The Prime Minister won the 2019 election campaigning for his Northern Ireland Protocol, saying it would "get Brexit done”. But checks on goods crossing the Irish Sea have caused turmoil and he has tabled a Bill to rip them up, enraging the EU. Critics said at the time that the Protocol, which put British goods moving to Northern Ireland under some EU rules, created a border inside the UK. Speaking to reporters on a trip to Rwanda, the Prime Minister said: "This is something that I didn't want to do. “I wanted the protocol to work. I, after all, agreed the thing." www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-admits-oven-ready-27322026
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 25, 2022 14:59:50 GMT
An article in the FT. "That level of decline, worth about £100bn a year in lost output, would result in lost revenues for the Treasury of roughly £40bn a year. That is £40bn that might have been available to the beleaguered Johnson for the radical tax cuts demanded by the Tory right — the equivalent of 6p off the 20p in the pound basic rate of income tax." Hopefully the link works for the full article. archive.ph/rTqGk
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