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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 31, 2021 13:07:30 GMT
“Systematically destroyed”. The club were in absolutely no position to go into the championship. The training situation was a joke, the ground isn’t up to it and none of the infrastructure behind the scenes was in place. It was widely reported the club was losing £65k plus a week and had lots of plus 30 year old players on big wages for a club of our size and no resale value. Recruiting Garner and ripping the squad up was quite clearly a club plan from the owner downwards to create a sustainable, well run football club with proper infrastructure from academy upwards. Bring in young players that can be coached and improved, on lower salaries, with potential resale values for a profit whilst simultaneously cutting the wage bill and outgoing transfer expenditure. Of course there would be some short term pain. Of course there would be ups and downs but the plan had to be backed and followed through. The wage bill reduced, net spend reduced and the average age reduced under Garner. At the same time we added analysts / nutritionists and moved to the new training ground. The results so far were more than good enough to stay in the league (playing more than a fair share of the top teams and beating the teams around us). However, so many couldn’t wait to tear Garner to bits. He was on a. Hiding to nothing as you can’t rip the whole plan up and start again without a drop in performance. The long term outcome could have been a massive step forward but the same fans that hated on GC style of football were the same fans hating on Garner. Can you not see the owner is not going to throw money at sh** football, buying old journeyman and no visible plan or way forward. "the results so far were more than good enough to stay in the league". Brilliant. Love this. Since he was appointed at the beginning of 2020 to when he was sacked, he must have had the worst managerial record in all of the UK's professional divisions?! Football was poor and results were poor. Recruitment was shocking. Balance of the squad was a mess. The number of points BG got in his time says it all. When he was sacked after the appalling performance against fleetwood he had won three out of 11 games. The results this season. You don’t get relegated on last years results! Sheffield Utd had a great season last year but they are rock bottom of the league now and none of last years results are going to change that! We were not in relegation form. No team around us had beaten us abs we nicked the odd win / draw against the top teams. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 31, 2021 13:09:21 GMT
"the results so far were more than good enough to stay in the league". Brilliant. Love this. Since he was appointed at the beginning of 2020 to when he was sacked, he must have had the worst managerial record in all of the UK's professional divisions?! Football was poor and results were poor. Recruitment was shocking. Balance of the squad was a mess. The number of points BG got in his time says it all. When he was sacked after the appalling performance against fleetwood he had won three out of 11 games. The results this season. You don’t get relegated on last years results! Sheffield Utd had a great season last year but they are rock bottom of the league now and none of last years results are going to change that! We were not in relegation form. No team around us had beaten us abs we nicked the odd win / draw against the top teams. He had won 3, drawn 3 and lost 5 (Peterborough, Hull, Doncaster were 3 of this 5) |
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Post by surreygas4 on Jan 31, 2021 13:12:19 GMT
"the results so far were more than good enough to stay in the league". Brilliant. Love this. Since he was appointed at the beginning of 2020 to when he was sacked, he must have had the worst managerial record in all of the UK's professional divisions?! Football was poor and results were poor. Recruitment was shocking. Balance of the squad was a mess. The number of points BG got in his time says it all. When he was sacked after the appalling performance against fleetwood he had won three out of 11 games. The results this season. You don’t get relegated on last years results! Sheffield Utd had a great season last year but they are rock bottom of the league now and none of last years results are going to change that! We were not in relegation form. No team around us had beaten us abs we nicked the odd win / draw against the top teams. we were three places off relegation when he left. Can't rewrite history to pretend we were a comfortable mid table team. Also can't accept writing off the second half of last season - puts this season into context. He carried off where he left last season. |
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Post by alanrg on Jan 31, 2021 13:12:44 GMT
I wonder what WAEL is thinking where did it all go wrong if results do not improve I wonder if he will bite the bullet and sack another manager
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 31, 2021 13:12:55 GMT
You know what I actually agree last years results were awful. Sunderland 2-0 win aside and maybe the cov first game cup game.
The results had improved, the Ppg had improved and results against teams around us had improved.
Loads still to do of course and we needed to be more attacking but I would 100% have taken staying in course with an improving young manager and back him than bottle it and panic hire someone not up to it
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 31, 2021 13:16:17 GMT
The results this season. You don’t get relegated on last years results! Sheffield Utd had a great season last year but they are rock bottom of the league now and none of last years results are going to change that! We were not in relegation form. No team around us had beaten us abs we nicked the odd win / draw against the top teams. we were three places off relegation when he left. Can't rewrite history to pretend we were a comfortable mid table team. Also can't accept writing off the second half of last season - puts this season into context. He carried off where he left last season. How many places off relegation are we now? |
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Post by surreygas4 on Jan 31, 2021 13:23:06 GMT
we were three places off relegation when he left. Can't rewrite history to pretend we were a comfortable mid table team. Also can't accept writing off the second half of last season - puts this season into context. He carried off where he left last season. How many places off relegation are we now? keeping garner would have been a huge mistake. Let's agree to disagree; i admire your faith in BG considering he did very little to justify it during his 30+ games here. Whether or not tisdale is a better appointment - well guess he needs another 20+ to prove either way! Hes making some baffling selection choices and substitutions, but hes been left with a fairly unbalanced squad light on experience, leadership and goals. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Jan 31, 2021 13:28:17 GMT
How many places off relegation are we now? keeping garner would have been a huge mistake. Let's agree to disagree; i admire your faith in BG considering he did very little to justify it during his 30+ games here. Whether or not tisdale is a better appointment - well guess he needs another 20+ to prove either way! Hes making some baffling selection choices and substitutions, but hes been left with a fairly unbalanced squad light on experience, leadership and goals. Thank you. I am very passionate about sustainable football / football clubs and young managers. Sorry if I get a little over the top. If we treated a young manager like we do a young player we would have so many more young, homegrown quality managers. Rovers are massively underachieving as one of two football clubs in such a big and busy city. I really felt the path of hiring a young, qualified coach with premiership experience was the right way forward. I would do it again and this time stick to it and have a proper, mentor style director of football to guide the young manager through the tough times |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 13:35:53 GMT
Tisdale is worse than Garner. He has less points, played key players in pointless cup games leading to injuries, awful tactics, no in game management and no contacts for players to join him. If you can’t see Garner was improving and Tisdale is a failing, downhill no ideas panic important it is you that has the head problems. Utterly delusional. Or you're Ben Garner. Or both. I don’t think Garner was as bad as has been made out.... not this season..... last (before it was suspended) he had dire form but I’ve always believed there were mitigating circumstances...... I appreciate others have a different opinion though... I also believe that we were starting to see shoots of improvement.... would we have improved enough to be safe and comfortable, we’ll never know..... Tisdale is a different manager and has proven himself over year and years and 1000 plus games managing as well as decent cup runs, promotions, high table finishes and play offs etc... he’s just having a sticky patch with us at the moment as he’s trying to get a new philosophy and playing style into a team that he inherited and we’re not his signings.... he will come good though... I firmly believe that he’s the right man for the job and will be a success with us and we’ll be successful with him |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 13:40:13 GMT
I wonder what WAEL is thinking where did it all go wrong if results do not improve I wonder if he will bite the bullet and sack another manager If you are an overseas owner and don't see the club on a day to day basis then decisions must be really difficult to make and who can he go to for advice other than Starnes and TW. The club is run by that pair and Wael might try to set a vision but he can't implement it from Jordan. He is only as good as his hired hands. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 31, 2021 13:48:36 GMT
I wonder what WAEL is thinking where did it all go wrong if results do not improve I wonder if he will bite the bullet and sack another manager If you are an overseas owner and don't see the club on a day to day basis then decisions must be really difficult to make and who can he go to for advice other than Starnes and TW. The club is run by that pair and Wael might try to set a vision but he can't implement it from Jordan. He is only as good as his hired hands. Or he could read the forum!! |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 31, 2021 14:45:40 GMT
Imagine that. Wael using us as a sounding board. Players and managers wouldn’t last 5 games and we’d have a frontline of Cureton and Barry Hayles.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 31, 2021 14:49:46 GMT
Out of interest we have conceded 35 goals in the league this season anybody know how many of those goals have come from free kicks and corners In the league we’ve conceded 9 goals from set pieces - the 5th highest amount in L1 behind Wimbledon (10), Wigan (11), Burton (12) & Rochdale (14). Not good. From open play we’ve conceded 22 so far - the same number as Gillingham, Oxford & Shrewsbury and less than 10 other teams in L1. So, not bad. It’s clear where the issue is! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2021 14:52:44 GMT
Out of interest we have conceded 35 goals in the league this season anybody know how many of those goals have come from free kicks and corners In the league we’ve conceded 9 goals from set pieces - the 5th highest amount in L1 behind Wimbledon (10), Wigan (11), Burton (12) & Rochdale (14). Not good. From open play we’ve conceded 22 so far - the same number as Gillingham, Oxford & Shrewsbury and less than 10 other teams in L1. So, not bad. It’s clear where the issue is! Combined with an inability to create and take chances at the other end makes me very worried we’ll be in league two next season. |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 31, 2021 14:56:37 GMT
In the league we’ve conceded 9 goals from set pieces - the 5th highest amount in L1 behind Wimbledon (10), Wigan (11), Burton (12) & Rochdale (14). Not good. From open play we’ve conceded 22 so far - the same number as Gillingham, Oxford & Shrewsbury and less than 10 other teams in L1. So, not bad. It’s clear where the issue is! Combined with an inability to create and take chances at the other end makes me very worried we’ll be in league two next season. At the other end, we’ve scored 5 from set pieces - only 7 teams in L1 have scored less from set pieces so far. And in open play we’ve scored 15 - only Shrewsbury & Northampton have scored less. Let’s hope there’s a few 5-minute warnings tomorrow... I won’t hold my breath. |
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Post by alanrg on Jan 31, 2021 14:57:35 GMT
Noticed Fleetwood have appointed Simon Grayson typical when we r playing them on Saturday
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 31, 2021 14:59:54 GMT
We are currently really struggling, for me we have a good set of midfielders, 2 good goalkeepers, absolutely awful defenders, who are as bad a set as I have watched since the 70s, and no attackers, IMO Hanlon is a lad learning his trade, and Ayunga is at the moment no where near being a first division striker. Not sure about Tisdale, weather he is any good or awful, one thing for sure he was brought in to take the club forward not backwards, lets hope he can halt the week on week slide towards the bottom of the league, or he maybe he will be gone before any of us gets back in the MEM. Utg
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 31, 2021 15:39:16 GMT
Fact - Results worse under Tis but he has only recruited 2 players of his own. The rest are inherited by DC GC and BG. He has only had 1 transfer window, BG had 2 whole windows. Fact - garner didn't sign four left backs he signed two..... with the knowledge we ALREADY had 2 left backs!? Fact - Clarke and JCH were both offered new contracts....true, but in case of OC it was much reduced. So much so, Mansfield in comparison literally offered him a contract he couldn't refuse. JCH I'm not aware of, but BG went on record saying he had no intention of replacing like for like (!) We haven't learned the lesson of replacing Lambo and it's no surprise we are where we are because of our lack of scoring goals. Relegation beckoned then, it's beckoning now. Brentford recruited before selling. Peterborough recruited before selling. We .... Um.... Didn't. Our defence is poor, but not statistically the worse in this division. Ehmer and Baldwin were recruited with most here approval. For me, they've both underperformed to their expectations. Especially, Ehmer.. I admire anyone's loyalty, especially in face of adversity, well done Carlts but BG systematically destroyed 5 years of hard work and potential rise to the Championship. BG has put us back years. “Systematically destroyed”. The club were in absolutely no position to go into the championship. The training situation was a joke, the ground isn’t up to it and none of the infrastructure behind the scenes was in place. It was widely reported the club was losing £65k plus a week and had lots of plus 30 year old players on big wages for a club of our size and no resale value. Recruiting Garner and ripping the squad up was quite clearly a club plan from the owner downwards to create a sustainable, well run football club with proper infrastructure from academy upwards. Bring in young players that can be coached and improved, on lower salaries, with potential resale values for a profit whilst simultaneously cutting the wage bill and outgoing transfer expenditure. Of course there would be some short term pain. Of course there would be ups and downs but the plan had to be backed and followed through. The wage bill reduced, net spend reduced and the average age reduced under Garner. At the same time we added analysts / nutritionists and moved to the new training ground. The results so far were more than good enough to stay in the league (playing more than a fair share of the top teams and beating the teams around us). However, so many couldn’t wait to tear Garner to bits. He was on a. Hiding to nothing as you can’t rip the whole plan up and start again without a drop in performance. The long term outcome could have been a massive step forward but the same fans that hated on GC style of football were the same fans hating on Garner. Can you not see the owner is not going to throw money at sh** football, buying old journeyman and no visible plan or way forward. Alot of grief in that post, there. It's interesting that the points in my post aren't contested. "Systematically destroyed" and then go on to not address any of the points, attack the structure of the club that had played us over 5 years into a place of potential Championship football. Something we haven't seen in a generation. The post enthuses after long term plan....but at what cost? There's a huge difference between articulating the benefits of a theorised approach to long term sustainable youth football, then going to Southend United away and being outplayed by their youth team because we've employed an over complicated system that brings about confusion. I know, I was there. 3rd division football is a light year away from where we wished we could be and it's naive to expect that experiment to work unless you've got a light year to wait....in the meantime we were losing to the 91st placed league club....and BG continued to scratch his beard and make like for like subs, much like at Southend. Hey, I know things aren't perfect....hell, are they perfect anywhere? (Look over the river and there's plenty complaints on that s hole) but we were there, believing, playing well and winning, we were there, I was there singing walking out of Portman Road.......this season all we can sing coming out of Portman Road was the f*cking journey. It's not right for hijacking thread to deviate into a BG bashing, because it's not the time or place, but if BG is such a desirable commodity, why hasn't he been snapped up by....Sheff Wed or Cardiff (before MM) or any club else? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 31, 2021 15:46:51 GMT
Noticed Fleetwood have appointed Simon Grayson typical when we r playing them on Saturday Didn't Simon Grayson flop at his last 3 jobs at Blackpool, Bradford and Sunderland, you'd have been totally underwhelmed if he'd replaced BG. I'm not sure how these people still keep getting jobs! |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 31, 2021 15:48:09 GMT
Noticed Fleetwood have appointed Simon Grayson typical when we r playing them on Saturday After we beat them on the way out, he can shut that door.. |
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