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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 12:51:48 GMT
I was a supporter of Garner and the vision and plan that was in place and did feel that we were going in an improving direction...... that said, I am discounting last season as I felt there were significant mitigating circumstances and I do believe Garner made mistakes and was naive.... he focused too heavily on possession and short midfield passing rather than adding direction and urgency to penetrate and actually score goals.... his view was if we keep the ball then the opposition won’t have it to score and I do think he over complicated things a little bit.... his biggest mistake though was the lack of firepower and experience in the key centre forward position.... hindsight is a wonderful thing though... Tisdale is a different character and different type of manager and in some ways he is suffering from some of the same issues Garner did when he first joined - trying to change style, philosophy and shape of play etc at a point in a season where the players have had months of coaching to play in a different way and Tisdale challenges are compounded by the fact he doesn’t get much coaching time as we’ve got games every Tues & Thurs and players need recovery periods otherwise they’ll end up completely fatigued... I think he’ll turn out ok for us but just like we don’t know what would have happened if Garner stayed in charge, we don’t know what will happen with Tisdale until it happens.... Comparing the 2 doesn’t achieve anything as they are completely different and the circumstances around them are different... all we can do is give our support.... if Tisdale fails and we go down then a decision will need to be made but we have to get out of the cycle of hiring and sacking managers in quick succession... we need to stick with one and ride it through as the last time we had so many new managers in quick succession we all know how that ended.... Whether Tisdale is the right man to stick with or not remains to be seen. I believe he will be based upon gut feelings and his overall experience and historical performances (albeit mainly at a lower level I appreciate) but who knows? This is the big issue for me; If true, why does Wael hire managers with such different styles, thus creating a much longer transition period? You would have thought he had in his mind, a way of his football club playing, and hire managers to suit that style? I think that Tisdale was seen as a tweak or evolution to Garner rather than wholesale change and in some ways I think we’ve seen that when we’ve had our ‘full’ squad available.... the main issues that we’ve had is Tis hasn’t had the squad available with key injuries to Oz, Nicholson, Daly (which coincided with our losing streak) and because of our position he has erred on the side of caution always going for safety and experience first.... he is seen as a developer of young players but I also think that he is firefighting at the moment - we are much more direct than we we’re under Garner.... So I think the circumstances are impacting things and I think next season we’ll see more of the ‘real Tisdale’ and could judge better then... |
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 1, 2021 13:06:28 GMT
I really thought Wael was going to stick to the plan with Garner. I did also believe we may have got relegated in the process but come back stronger. There is absolutely no evidence for this. It's just sentimental, emotional and irrational. We all thought that when we were relegated to the 4th division for the first time. I just thought Wael was going for the long term and I thought he may just be prepared to take a drop to achieve it. I’m not saying that was possible it was just an impression I had . What I didn’t think he would do is make a decision so quickly and appoint a manager with such a poor record at our level. The reality is we seem to be worse now under new management |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2021 13:07:27 GMT
But he had a virtually full squad to choose from on Saturday and we still lost to a poor side, we're always going to have a 1 or 2 players out injured so he can hardly use Daly missing as an excuse. If we do get relegated I doubt we'll see the real Tisdale in order to judge him. it seems PT got the new manager "bounce" now the realities set in with the players we're back to struggling again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2021 13:37:34 GMT
But he had a virtually full squad to choose from on Saturday and we still lost to a poor side, we're always going to have a 1 or 2 players out injured so he can hardly use Daly missing as an excuse. If we do get relegated I doubt we'll see the real Tisdale in order to judge him. it seems PT got the new manager "bounce" now the realities set in with the players we're back to struggling again. Yes but our loss Saturday was in my opinion unlucky and personally I thought we deserved something out of the game - it was a set piece mistake and a goalkeeping error that caused us to lose and the issue for me at the moment is every mistake we make at the moment is being punished whereas normally you get away with 50% of them .... In terms of squad, yes he had a full squad to choose from but I would say that they probably weren’t fully fit - Oz and Nicholson only 2nd game back and Upson injured and Grant probably fatigued as well as others after a really tough and hard energy sapping game against Peterborough on their mud bath on Tues.... It’s all speculation by me I know to partially put forward some mitigation in defence of Tis, but I just feel as a forum we seem to go through the same cycle... slag off Coughlan as he was a cheap PE teacher option with limited play and turgid football, slag of Garner as he was ‘clueless’ no experience and boring and his football was all sideways and backwards and results were not good enough, slag off Tisdale as being not good enough as although he’s got loads of experience and has been successful in the past - he’s not good enough as he hasn’t had success at League One level and his football is apparently confused and strange, slag off the players as poor and not good enough for league one despite most being lauded as great signings by the bulk of the forum when they first joined, some slag off the owner as not having a financial business sense despite all that he has done..... there is a recurring theme where the forum is generally never happy about anything..... |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 1, 2021 14:19:22 GMT
There is absolutely no evidence for this. It's just sentimental, emotional and irrational. We all thought that when we were relegated to the 4th division for the first time. I just thought Wael was going for the long term and I thought he may just be prepared to take a drop to achieve it. I’m not saying that was possible it was just an impression I had . What I didn’t think he would do is make a decision so quickly and appoint a manager with such a poor record at our level. The reality is we seem to be worse now under new management I would be amazed if anyone took a drop as acceptable, let alone an owner, especially as we had worked so hard to get a team capable of potential automatic promotion? We are one position worse, that's true. We were 18th when BG left us. We were 4th when he took over. If you're surprised to think Wael would appoint a manager poor at this level, imagine my surprise when he appointed a manager unproven at any level!? And even not professionally playing at any level?! |
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 1, 2021 15:30:03 GMT
I just thought Wael was going for the long term and I thought he may just be prepared to take a drop to achieve it. I’m not saying that was possible it was just an impression I had . What I didn’t think he would do is make a decision so quickly and appoint a manager with such a poor record at our level. The reality is we seem to be worse now under new management I would be amazed if anyone took a drop as acceptable, let alone an owner, especially as we had worked so hard to get a team capable of potential automatic promotion? We are one position worse, that's true. We were 18th when BG left us. We were 4th when he took over. If you're surprised to think Wael would appoint a manager poor at this level, imagine my surprise when he appointed a manager unproven at any level!? And even not professionally playing at any level?! I suppose the only thing in the Garner appointment was he hadn’t actually proved he couldn’t get a team beyond eight in the table and it was a speculative punt. I wasn’t a backer of Garner at the outset but I could sort of see the point |
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