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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 7, 2021 14:41:51 GMT
As I’m on a roll!
Ipswich in the EFL cup we didn’t start with a recognised striker.
Every other game under BG we started with a striker and sometimes two.
So are you saying not starting a striker, when only one was fit, in one game proves Garner didn’t want a striker? Or.....
BP:
“Ben Garner opens up on Bristol Rovers' striker search with hope of deals being done 'quite quickly'”
“Ben Garner hints Bristol Rovers could attempt to sign a striker as Jonah Ayunga suffers injury blow”
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 7, 2021 14:43:22 GMT
Own up, what's your connection to BG, is he your partner or relation as no normal Gashead is ever this obsessed with an ex manager, even DC who was a fans favourite. As far as the new goalie, my understanding is he's an Academy player whereas you are only referring to the 1st teams squad of 22 players when it comes to LB's, the fact Kelly's now been sent out on loan suggests we clearly had at least one too many. As RWBs count as full backs on here we now have 4 right backs. Why aren’t we screaming and shouting about that. Rodman Hare Little Williams We literally have 4 RBs in the squad |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 7, 2021 14:44:15 GMT
All I will say is that I hope Rovers push on up the table after yesterday’s improved performance and Prove Tisdale’s appointment to be the right one. Mind you he has his work cut out with some of those Downs footballers so fingers crossed. What do you mean by downs footballers? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 14:52:08 GMT
What I don’t get is this constant scrutiny and comparisons between managers. BG started poorly but things were improving.... but for a lot of the fan base and the board, not improving quickly or good enough... Do I think he should have been sacked? No, I was one of the few that felt he should have been given longer but he wasn’t.
The board appointed PT and he has had a mixed start, heavily influenced in my opinion by injuries to key players at a key time. Do I think he’s a good manager? Yes, I always rated him and I do think he’ll be a success, but he needs to be given our support and patience. Tisdale and Garner are very different managers with some similar but also some very different philosophies....
Tisdale has added support to his back room staff, not changed or sacked anyone. No one knows why Cole’s left other than what was released in the statement. I don’t believe there is anything sinister there....
If you want to do a true similar scenario comparison then we should look at BG results when he first came in after GC left and Tis taking over after BG. In both scenarios they are working with inherited squads etc.
Reality is, is that I believe the poor performance when BG first started has mitigating factors and like wise I think the same applies with Tisdale.
Ultimately the whole environment
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 7, 2021 14:57:15 GMT
What I don’t get is this constant scrutiny and comparisons between managers. BG started poorly but things were improving.... but for a lot of the fan base and the board, not improving quickly or good enough... Do I think he should have been sacked? No, I was one of the few that felt he should have been given longer but he wasn’t. The board appointed PT and he has had a mixed start, heavily influenced in my opinion by injuries to key players at a key time. Do I think he’s a good manager? Yes, I always rated him and I do think he’ll be a success, but he needs to be given our support and patience. Tisdale and Garner are very different managers with some similar but also some very different philosophies.... Tisdale has added support to his back room staff, not changed or sacked anyone. No one knows why Cole’s left other than what was released in the statement. I don’t believe there is anything sinister there.... If you want to do a true similar scenario comparison then we should look at BG results when he first came in after GC left and Tis taking over after BG. In both scenarios they are working with inherited squads etc. Reality is, is that I believe the poor performance when BG first started has mitigating factors and like wise I think the same applies with Tisdale. Ultimately the whole environment A very good post. Do you think PT should be given longer? At what point does his position become untenable, say if we lose the next two. If you were Wael or on the board what would you do in that scenario? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 15:07:39 GMT
What I don’t get is this constant scrutiny and comparisons between managers. BG started poorly but things were improving.... but for a lot of the fan base and the board, not improving quickly or good enough... Do I think he should have been sacked? No, I was one of the few that felt he should have been given longer but he wasn’t. The board appointed PT and he has had a mixed start, heavily influenced in my opinion by injuries to key players at a key time. Do I think he’s a good manager? Yes, I always rated him and I do think he’ll be a success, but he needs to be given our support and patience. Tisdale and Garner are very different managers with some similar but also some very different philosophies.... Tisdale has added support to his back room staff, not changed or sacked anyone. No one knows why Cole’s left other than what was released in the statement. I don’t believe there is anything sinister there.... If you want to do a true similar scenario comparison then we should look at BG results when he first came in after GC left and Tis taking over after BG. In both scenarios they are working with inherited squads etc. Reality is, is that I believe the poor performance when BG first started has mitigating factors and like wise I think the same applies with Tisdale. Ultimately the whole environment A very good post. Do you think PT should be given longer? At what point does his position become untenable, say if we lose the next two. If you were Wael or on the board what would you do in that scenario? I’m in the camp that Tisdale should be given our full support for longer - at least until the end of the season and personally I’d give him next as well.... I felt the same about BG... As I’ve posted before, we have to stick with a manager at some point and ride it out as constantly changing managers in short succession doesn’t do anyone any favours (as we well know from our own history)..... I think as a fan base too, we should give our managers (and players to be fair) longer and a fairer crack of the whip.... |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 7, 2021 15:12:54 GMT
A very good post. Do you think PT should be given longer? At what point does his position become untenable, say if we lose the next two. If you were Wael or on the board what would you do in that scenario? I’m in the camp that Tisdale should be given our full support for longer - at least until the end of the season and personally I’d give him next as well.... I felt the same about BG... As I’ve posted before, we have to stick with a manager at some point and ride it out as constantly changing managers in short succession doesn’t do anyone any favours (as we well know from our own history)..... I think as a fan base too, we should give our managers (and players to be fair) longer and a fairer crack of the whip.... I agree to a point. When a manager is up and down then back them but what concerns me with PT is 3 league wins on the bounce followed by falling off a cliff and chaos (bad window, Accrington, Ehmers letter etc) In BG and PT case we could do with some more transparency from the board. Not the dreaded backing before sacking but talk about the policies, how the manager is doing behind the scenes, how the club are pulling together etc. Especially after a poor window we should at least see and hear from TW to say, we tried our best but couldn’t get enough done but it’s not the gaffers fault give him a break sort of thing |
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Post by landrover on Feb 7, 2021 15:13:13 GMT
As I’m on a roll! Ipswich in the EFL cup we didn’t start with a recognised striker. Every other game under BG we started with a striker and sometimes two. So are you saying not starting a striker, when only one was fit, in one game proves Garner didn’t want a striker? Or..... BP: “Ben Garner opens up on Bristol Rovers' striker search with hope of deals being done 'quite quickly'” “Ben Garner hints Bristol Rovers could attempt to sign a striker as Jonah Ayunga suffers injury blow”oh want us to believe. You’ve been ‘’on a roll” as you put it for the last two weeks. 165 posts in those two weeks suggests you are not as straightforward as you would have us believe and have never allowed any adverse opinions go unchallenged. Have you only just discovered social media? |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 7, 2021 15:15:18 GMT
As I’m on a roll! Ipswich in the EFL cup we didn’t start with a recognised striker. Every other game under BG we started with a striker and sometimes two. So are you saying not starting a striker, when only one was fit, in one game proves Garner didn’t want a striker? Or..... BP: “Ben Garner opens up on Bristol Rovers' striker search with hope of deals being done 'quite quickly'” “Ben Garner hints Bristol Rovers could attempt to sign a striker as Jonah Ayunga suffers injury blow”oh want us to believe. You’ve been ‘’on a roll” as you put it for the last two weeks. 165 posts in those two weeks suggests you are not as straightforward as you would have us believe and have never allowed any adverse opinions go unchallenged. Have you only just discovered social media? Thank you I appreciate that. I like to challenge everything I disagree with using hard facts, stats and a smattering of opinion. I don’t have any social media. Does this count as social media? |
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Post by Smithy Gas on Feb 7, 2021 15:16:56 GMT
So do you think Tisdale has just signed our 6th Goal Keeper in Jed Ward? I bet you are apoplectic that PT has just signed another goalkeeper knowing we had 5 at the club already?! Unbelievable! Oh and Michael Kelly played left centre half, left back and left wing back under GC. He played left centre half under Garner and I don’t believe he played under PT but May be wrong. Either way neither BG or PT considered him a viable option at LB hence his loan signing to Yeovil. You are right he signed an extra year, the club did this with menayase as well to stop him leaving on a free in the pandemic lockdown Within reason yes a 6th goalkeeper has been signed - but you are trying to deflect the conversation. Those 6 goalkeepers are not in the 22 man squad are they? I’ll try and elaborate... I take the left back debacle as a microcosm of the transfer strategy that was enacted under Garner (and Tommy) and it is that strategy which is clearly causing problems for Tisdale. We had a competent enough left back contracted for the season in LL and MK at the club who was out of contract. Clearly BG wanted to play with wingbacks so within that framework needed two wingbacks either side - we’ll concentrate on the left. Making an assumption I think BG wanted LL to cover this season and MK as back up for LCB until at least next summer when both would be out of contract again and would probably be moved on once new signings had bed in. So far so good and as a strategy should and can be employed throughout the squad. The issues arise in what happens next. BG signs DT as his replacement LWB. That should be it. Finito. Done. Move on to other areas of the squad. But for whatever reason he is like a kid in a sweet shop and also signs AK in the same position. So even if you were to apply the above logic we now have 3 left side players vying for one position and one back up role whereby one is always going to sit out when you have to name a squad of 22 players. Not really sustainable. Ryan Jones is a bit of an exception as he was/is a local non league talent who was being tapped up by higher clubs in the pyramid so to secure his services seems like good business. However, with this business done and knowing he would also come into the squad next year why would you go out and get AK? Doesn’t make much sense to me. So, Tisdale hasn’t got off to a flyer. In fact it’s been shocking. But I think the way the squad was put together has a major bearing on that and there are two men to blame for that and one of them is your messiah...as much as you try to revise the last 12 months. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 7, 2021 15:22:03 GMT
So do you think Tisdale has just signed our 6th Goal Keeper in Jed Ward? I bet you are apoplectic that PT has just signed another goalkeeper knowing we had 5 at the club already?! Unbelievable! Oh and Michael Kelly played left centre half, left back and left wing back under GC. He played left centre half under Garner and I don’t believe he played under PT but May be wrong. Either way neither BG or PT considered him a viable option at LB hence his loan signing to Yeovil. You are right he signed an extra year, the club did this with menayase as well to stop him leaving on a free in the pandemic lockdown Within reason yes a 6th goalkeeper has been signed - but you are trying to deflect the conversation. Those 6 goalkeepers are not in the 22 man squad are they? I’ll try and elaborate... I take the left back debacle as a microcosm of the transfer strategy that was enacted under Garner (and Tommy) and it is that strategy which is clearly causing problems for Tisdale. We had a competent enough left back contracted for the season in LL and MK at the club who was out of contract. Clearly BG wanted to play with wingbacks so within that framework needed two wingbacks either side - we’ll concentrate on the left. Making an assumption I think BG wanted LL to cover this season and MK as back up for LCB until at least next summer when both would be out of contract again and would probably be moved on once new signings had bed in. So far so good and as a strategy should and can be employed throughout the squad. The issues arise in what happens next. BG signs DT as his replacement LWB. That should be it. Finito. Done. Move on to other areas of the squad. But for whatever reason he is like a kid in a sweet shop and also signs AK in the same position. So even if you were to apply the above logic we now have 3 left side players vying for one position and one back up role whereby one is always going to sit out when you have to name a squad of 22 players. Not really sustainable. Ryan Jones is a bit of an exception as he was/is a local non league talent who was being tapped up by higher clubs in the pyramid so to secure his services seems like good business. However, with this business done and knowing he would also come into the squad next year why would you go out and get AK? Doesn’t make much sense to me. So, Tisdale hasn’t got off to a flyer. In fact it’s been shocking. But I think the way the squad was put together has a major bearing on that and there are two men to blame for that and one of them is your messiah...as much as you try to revise the last 12 months. I agree with a lot of this and it is very well put. However, we now have 4 players for one position at RWB. Having signed Williams we now have Hare, Little, Williams and Rodman. That tells me the squad shape / size / structure is not in the gaffers hands but the recruitment team not Garner or Tisdale. We cannot be aghast at having LL, DT and AK on one side then go into the next window and end up with LH, ML, GW and AR on the other. |
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Post by legas on Feb 7, 2021 15:29:06 GMT
I think we should play to the strengths of our squad and field 4 LBs, 4 RBs, 1 keeper, 1CD and 1 up front. It would certainly give us width!
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 7, 2021 15:31:55 GMT
Within reason yes a 6th goalkeeper has been signed - but you are trying to deflect the conversation. Those 6 goalkeepers are not in the 22 man squad are they? I’ll try and elaborate... I take the left back debacle as a microcosm of the transfer strategy that was enacted under Garner (and Tommy) and it is that strategy which is clearly causing problems for Tisdale. We had a competent enough left back contracted for the season in LL and MK at the club who was out of contract. Clearly BG wanted to play with wingbacks so within that framework needed two wingbacks either side - we’ll concentrate on the left. Making an assumption I think BG wanted LL to cover this season and MK as back up for LCB until at least next summer when both would be out of contract again and would probably be moved on once new signings had bed in. So far so good and as a strategy should and can be employed throughout the squad. The issues arise in what happens next. BG signs DT as his replacement LWB. That should be it. Finito. Done. Move on to other areas of the squad. But for whatever reason he is like a kid in a sweet shop and also signs AK in the same position. So even if you were to apply the above logic we now have 3 left side players vying for one position and one back up role whereby one is always going to sit out when you have to name a squad of 22 players. Not really sustainable. Ryan Jones is a bit of an exception as he was/is a local non league talent who was being tapped up by higher clubs in the pyramid so to secure his services seems like good business. However, with this business done and knowing he would also come into the squad next year why would you go out and get AK? Doesn’t make much sense to me. So, Tisdale hasn’t got off to a flyer. In fact it’s been shocking. But I think the way the squad was put together has a major bearing on that and there are two men to blame for that and one of them is your messiah...as much as you try to revise the last 12 months. I agree with a lot of this and it is very well put. However, we now have 4 players for one position at RWB. Having signed Williams we now have Hare, Little, Williams and Rodman. That tells me the squad shape / size / structure is not in the gaffers hands but the recruitment team not Garner or Tisdale. We cannot be aghast at having LL, DT and AK on one side then go into the next window and end up with LH, ML, GW and AR on the other. I would genuinely love an answer to this. No one has said a word about us singing a 4th RB in the last window! Why? |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 7, 2021 16:09:53 GMT
I agree with a lot of this and it is very well put. However, we now have 4 players for one position at RWB. Having signed Williams we now have Hare, Little, Williams and Rodman. That tells me the squad shape / size / structure is not in the gaffers hands but the recruitment team not Garner or Tisdale. We cannot be aghast at having LL, DT and AK on one side then go into the next window and end up with LH, ML, GW and AR on the other. I would genuinely love an answer to this. No one has said a word about us singing a 4th RB in the last window! Why? I can’t believe everyone has gone quiet on this? So many on here were slaughtering Garner for having 4 left backs in a squad (apparently you can’t differentiate between a LB and a LWB) yet we’ve come out of the last window with 3 left backs and 4 right backs and no one is saying a word?! What’s worse is we don’t know if it was Widdrington or Garner that signed Dave T and Ali K but we know as sure as eggs are eggs that Tisdale signed Williams as it was his mate from MK!! Garner 4 Left Backs = world caving in. Tisdale 4 Right Backs = tumble weed. Please at least have some consistency! |
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 7, 2021 16:18:56 GMT
Tisdales right back is far better than the six left backs!! Our problem is still scoring enough goals and that is where Garner left us so short of attacking players but who knows whether it was down to not enough funds to sign the strikers either in the summer or the January window.As usual we,as supporters will never know the truth only it was far easier to sign somebody in the summer when every team starts equal to January when you know it is a relegation battle.
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Post by fanatical on Feb 7, 2021 16:19:49 GMT
I think we should play to the strengths of our squad and field 4 LBs, 4 RBs, 1 keeper, 1CD and 1 up front. It would certainly give us width!  excellent summary of where we are at and with no money what chance does Tisdale have? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 16:25:34 GMT
I think we should play to the strengths of our squad and field 4 LBs, 4 RBs, 1 keeper, 1CD and 1 up front. It would certainly give us width! Might just work if we turn the pitch 90 degrees and have the goals on the halfway line!!! |
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Post by fanatical on Feb 7, 2021 16:30:12 GMT
I think we should play to the strengths of our squad and field 4 LBs, 4 RBs, 1 keeper, 1CD and 1 up front. It would certainly give us width! Might just work if we turn the pitch 90 degrees and have the goals on the halfway line!!! Worth a try but we have no money to make alterations. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 7, 2021 16:40:45 GMT
I would genuinely love an answer to this. No one has said a word about us singing a 4th RB in the last window! Why? I can’t believe everyone has gone quiet on this? So many on here were slaughtering Garner for having 4 left backs in a squad (apparently you can’t differentiate between a LB and a LWB) yet we’ve come out of the last window with 3 left backs and 4 right backs and no one is saying a word?! What’s worse is we don’t know if it was Widdrington or Garner that signed Dave T and Ali K but we know as sure as eggs are eggs that Tisdale signed Williams as it was his mate from MK!! Garner 4 Left Backs = world caving in. Tisdale 4 Right Backs = tumble weed. Please at least have some consistency! Because he only signed one of those. PT tried Hare and Little, who are both injury prone anyway, and decided they weren’t good enough. They have gone missing since Williams came in. No idea who your fourth is and frankly don’t really care. Garner signed MK to a new contract (as good as signing him on altogether) after playing him for 6 months. Then he proceeded with signing on AK and DT, then playing Leahy in the first few games of the season. How very odd?! Why are you so obsessed with banging the drum for BG like AF has said he’s gone. He isn’t coming back. Thank god for that too. Even with PTs form BG is the worst manager I’ve experienced as a gashead. Perhaps people aren’t responding to your point as they’re incredulous to your points or they think you’re actually connected to Ben Garner somehow. It comes across very, very odd. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 7, 2021 16:47:31 GMT
I can’t believe everyone has gone quiet on this? So many on here were slaughtering Garner for having 4 left backs in a squad (apparently you can’t differentiate between a LB and a LWB) yet we’ve come out of the last window with 3 left backs and 4 right backs and no one is saying a word?! What’s worse is we don’t know if it was Widdrington or Garner that signed Dave T and Ali K but we know as sure as eggs are eggs that Tisdale signed Williams as it was his mate from MK!! Garner 4 Left Backs = world caving in. Tisdale 4 Right Backs = tumble weed. Please at least have some consistency! Because he only signed one of those. PT tried Hare and Little, who are both injury prone anyway, and decided they weren’t good enough. They have gone missing since Williams came in. No idea who your fourth is and frankly don’t really care. Garner signed MK to a new contract (as good as signing him on altogether) after playing him for 6 months. Then he proceeded with signing on AK and DT, then playing Leahy in the first few games of the season. How very odd?! Why are you so obsessed with banging the drum for BG like AF has said he’s gone. He isn’t coming back. Thank god for that too. Even with PTs form BG is the worst manager I’ve experienced as a gashead. Perhaps people aren’t responding to your point as they’re incredulous to your points or they think you’re actually connected to Ben Garner somehow. It comes across very, very odd. The other one is Alex Rodman. Dave T signed a week before the season started and Koiki signed on the 22nd October! Hence why Leahy started the season. Dave T only trained a few weeks at most and Koiki hadn’t even joined! |
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