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Post by oldgas on Mar 27, 2021 10:18:12 GMT
Why would a child be at a protest carrying a banner with expletives on it in the first place? Come on Blueridge We cannot go around arresting people for swearing. This is becoming ridiculous Fortunately the Public Order Act, section 4/4a if memory serves decides what is acceptable language displayed in public rather than an unreformed and failed Marxist who is too frightened to attend demos and riots himself. |
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Post by oldgas on Mar 27, 2021 10:19:51 GMT
Seems attending a protest got more of a reaction than Cummings from some. Glad it went well, what’s the general feeling like there? I didn’t realise the bill would mean you can get 10 years for attending a protest, but only 5 years for rape. Is that true?! I know that if found guilty you could b liable to 10 yrs imprisonment for destruction of a statues etc , which I find unbelievable , before I left the mood was good plenty of chanting singing , age group of most protester very young , I saw no disturbances , other than the police telling a female protester of around 16 years old she would be arrested if she didn’t discard the placard she was carrying which had the word f...... y on it , 🥱 that caused a bit of a stir , apart from that nothing ! What about assholes throwing fireworks at horses, that nothing as well? |
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Post by oldgas on Mar 27, 2021 10:45:34 GMT
It was peaceful , I saw no violence . Nothing remarkable , just a run of the mill demo . Seems attending a protest got more of a reaction than Cummings from some. Glad it went well, what’s the general feeling like there? I didn’t realise the bill would mean you can get 10 years for attending a protest, but only 5 years for rape. Is that true?! Rape is an arrestable offence which means a person on first conviction could receive a sentence of 5 years. Of course that is very often the minimum, but that is for the Judge to decide because it is an indictable only offence. I would imagine the bill, if ever enacted, would have a 10 year clause written into it. However I doubt this would be indictable only and is far more likely to be a 'Triable either way' This means the accused can elect to appear before the Crown Court or the Magistrates can send it to the CC if they think their sentencing powers are insufficient. In practice of course a rapist will usually be imprisoned for more than 5 years, while it will be very rare a demonstrator gets any prison time, let alone 10 years. The only time they'll get the Peter is if they've used the demo as a cover for causing damage, affray, assault etc. In my view and happy to be proved wrong. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 27, 2021 11:11:00 GMT
Come on Blueridge We cannot go around arresting people for swearing. This is becoming ridiculous Of course not oldie - but that wasn’t the point I was making. Where does it stop - writing expletives on a placard (particularly a child) to get your point across actually destroys the point - people tend to react to the expletive not the message as in this minor episode. Who knows, if this young person feels it’s the norm to be able to express themselves in this way - which is offensive to the majority btw - that they take the next step and start spraying expletives on walls. I need to make myself clear - I have absolutely no problem with a legal protest whether I agree with the reasons for it or not - but at the moment the protests are illegal whether we like it or not. All that these protests have really achieved is the media coverage of the violence - that’s what will be broadcast around the world (backed up I might add from various messages I’ve received - what the f**k is going on in Bristol?) these protests have achieved zilch and have only reinforced the Governments position on this Bill. Seems to me that these protests are almost exclusive to Bristol - on the face of it there appears to be a nation wide apathy to this Bill - but I could be mistaken of course. I hear you. But instead of answering in frustration about demonstrations, why not tell the people asking the question why people are demonstrating. Tell them that arguably one of the oldest democracies in the world is about to pass into law a power to police that mandates them to arrest people for being a nuisance. I am sure there will be admiring smiles from the powers that be in countries like Russia, China, maybe even Singapore. But not I think from any self respecting democracy. So it comes down to the issue of should we protest now, demonstrate during a lockdown. Again I hear you. It is breaking the law. Let's agree that. But what are we, those of us who oppose this style of Draconian restrictions on our freedom of assembly and association, to do? Wait until the process of committee review is concluded and the proposed act is enshrined without the review committees being aware of the depth of feeling, something that (hopefully) will influence their final decisions / amendments? I agree with you, most people will look at all this and wonder what all the fuss is about. But therein lies a problem. This pernicious creep, slowly but surely, hiding (or trying to) Draconian clauses into a major Act of Parliament, goes unnoticed until they are enforced. So the next time a Government, of any political hue, decides to invade a country and kill 10s of 1,000s of people on a completely made up pretext, those of us who would object will be arrested for being a "nuisance" That only leads to one place, which my family, like most in this country fought against, literally, and resisted politically. Personally I thank Purdown Poacher for doing the same. Sorry for the long response but just to be clear. Personally I totally reject mindless violence. I disagreed with the tearing down of the Colston Monument for example. What I would have liked is a large plaque placed on the plinth with words to the effect of "Here stands a monument to a slave trader who caused unlimited suffering, death and genocide to the peoples of Africa for personal financial gain. To the shame of the great city of Bristol" There it would be,forever. Instead the BLM folk have removed that opportunity. Counterproductive indeed. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 27, 2021 11:46:05 GMT
I know that if found guilty you could b liable to 10 yrs imprisonment for destruction of a statues etc , which I find unbelievable , before I left the mood was good plenty of chanting singing , age group of most protester very young , I saw no disturbances , other than the police telling a female protester of around 16 years old she would be arrested if she didn’t discard the placard she was carrying which had the word f...... y on it , 🥱 that caused a bit of a stir , apart from that nothing ! What about assholes throwing fireworks at horses, that nothiee I left at 6 o clock , as I put in a post if u care to take time to look . It was perfectly peaceful then , do have a nice day oldie , the sun is shinning ☀️ |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 27, 2021 11:53:18 GMT
Apologies to oldie , meant oldgas ,! What similar, but different views you both have 😄
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Post by oldie on Mar 27, 2021 11:57:34 GMT
Apologies to oldie , meant oldgas ,! What similar, but different views you both have 😄 Purdown We share the same generation but little in terms of values and I suspect life experiences. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 27, 2021 11:59:35 GMT
I know which ones I prefer x
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 27, 2021 12:02:49 GMT
I meant what similar names , but different views , apart from yourself oldgas, and a notable few , finding it quite depressing on here , never mind onwards and upwards , bfn 💙
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 27, 2021 12:03:40 GMT
UTG !!!!
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Post by peterparker on Mar 27, 2021 12:33:34 GMT
I know that if found guilty you could b liable to 10 yrs imprisonment for destruction of a statues etc , which I find unbelievable , before I left the mood was good plenty of chanting singing , age group of most protester very young , I saw no disturbances , other than the police telling a female protester of around 16 years old she would be arrested if she didn’t discard the placard she was carrying which had the word f...... y on it , 🥱 that caused a bit of a stir , apart from that nothing ! What about assholes throwing fireworks at horses, that nothing as well? A copper forcefully smacked a woman round the head with a baton There has been absolute disgusting scenes from all sides |
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Post by oldgas on Mar 27, 2021 13:04:18 GMT
What about assholes throwing fireworks at horses, that nothiee I left at 6 o clock , as I put in a post if u care to take time to look . It was perfectly peaceful then , do have a nice day oldie , the sun is shinning ☀️ I fail to understand the relevance of what time you left the demo. The fact is you attended a mass gathering in breach of current legislation and against the medical advice of the experts advising the government. It may well have been peaceful when you left at 6pm, but I never said you did anything violent. My question was. "Do you consider assholes throwing fireworks at horses as nothing"? A simple enough question about acts carried out by people attending the same unlawful demonstration as you. A question ion you seem reticent to answer. Thank you for your salutation. I shall enjoy the sunshine with a clear conscience because I didn't attend an illegal gathering or hoy pyrotechnics at innocent humans and animals. |
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Post by henry on Mar 27, 2021 13:24:29 GMT
At the end of the day these protestors broke the law AGAIN and consequences followed by the LAW and now the tears. Reap what you sow. Such is life.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 27, 2021 15:50:07 GMT
Threatening to arrest a kid for carrying a placard because of its wording??..Jesus Christ. Best one I ever saw was a young lady carrying a placard that said "Trump, I would call you a c*nt, but you have no warmth and lack depth" That still makes me laugh Maybe the threat of imprisonment for destruction of a statue just may prevent the thugs from doing it. Surely that's not a bad thing. In respect of a kid carrying a placard containing abusive language if he/she was asked to remove it by the Police and they did what's the issue. If they refused and were then threatened with arrest again what's the issue. But it's a 16year old female. Apparently they get a free pass th display offensive messages from the liberal left. I don't like the bloke, but if Tommy Robinson or whatever name he goes by were to carry a similar placard the left would be screaming dementedly for his arrest. And probably castration. |
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Post by oldgas on Mar 27, 2021 15:55:31 GMT
What about assholes throwing fireworks at horses, that nothing as well? A copper forcefully smacked a woman round the head with a baton There has been absolute disgusting scenes from all sides So what? How do you know the woman wasn't shoving the copper and shouting and swearing at him? The whole peaceful demo descended into an orgy of violence later in the evening. I assume you accept the bother was started by the demonstrators? As for it being a woman, so what? They're always screaming about their feminist values and being treated equally, so if she was stupid enough to be right at the front of the trouble makers she can hardly complain if she got belted. you can't have it both ways. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 27, 2021 16:55:22 GMT
I know that if found guilty you could b liable to 10 yrs imprisonment for destruction of a statues etc , which I find unbelievable , before I left the mood was good plenty of chanting singing , age group of most protester very young , I saw no disturbances , other than the police telling a female protester of around 16 years old she would be arrested if she didn’t discard the placard she was carrying which had the word f...... y on it , 🥱 that caused a bit of a stir , apart from that nothing ! What about assholes throwing fireworks at horses, that nothing as well? All I was saying oldgas, is that I left at 6 , everything I saw was peaceful and good humoured , I have no idea of events after that - however I have seen video film of a woman being hit in the face by a policeman , makes pleasant viewing - and I hope you have noted that the police involved in Sunday’s protest did not in fact suffer any broken bones , another piece of misinformation (lie ) from the constabulary ! |
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Post by oldie on Mar 27, 2021 17:07:00 GMT
What about assholes throwing fireworks at horses, that nothing as well? All I was saying oldgas, is that I left at 6 , everything I saw was peaceful and good humoured , I have no idea of events after that - however I have seen video film of a woman being hit in the face by a policeman , makes pleasant viewing - and I hope you have noted that the police involved in Sunday’s protest did not in fact suffer any broken bones , another piece of misinformation (lie ) from the constabulary ! It's not worth it with this guy Purdown. He is utterly incapable of articulating a coherent argument. At which point he will resort to name calling in frustration. Wait for it. Every second post is almost identical. |
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Post by blueridge on Mar 27, 2021 17:12:37 GMT
What about assholes throwing fireworks at horses, that nothing as well? All I was saying oldgas, is that I left at 6 , everything I saw was peaceful and good humoured , I have no idea of events after that - however I have seen video film of a woman being hit in the face by a policeman , makes pleasant viewing - and I hope you have noted that the police involved in Sunday’s protest did not in fact suffer any broken bones , another piece of misinformation (lie ) from the constabulary ! Sorry purdown but you attended an illegal protest which was the catalyst again, for this violent behaviour. The previous two protests which you knew full well about went the same way. So the police didn’t suffer broken bones- so that’s ok then is it? Be in no doubt your contribution to this protest, has added to the problems - it’s indefensible. |
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Post by francegas on Mar 27, 2021 17:37:28 GMT
What about assholes throwing fireworks at horses, that nothing as well? All I was saying oldgas, is that I left at 6 , everything I saw was peaceful and good humoured , I have no idea of events after that - however I have seen video film of a woman being hit in the face by a policeman , makes pleasant viewing - and I hope you have noted that the police involved in Sunday’s protest did not in fact suffer any broken bones , another piece of misinformation (lie ) from the constabulary ! Wow so your criticising the Police because it was reported that some officers suffered broken bones however after a full medical assessment showed no breaks. You however fail to mention some 40+ officers were injured, a woman urinated at the feet of Police officers, fireworks thrown at the Police on horseback etc etc all at an illegal demonstration. If the woman in question had obeyed the law in the first place and not attended an illegal gathering she wouldn't have felt the full force of the law. In my book she only has herself to blame. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 27, 2021 18:05:21 GMT
Guys
I guess it's easy to allow one's political bias to enable viewing life, cause and effect, through that very narrow prism. Black and White, when it's never really quite like that.
Looking back on this thread, I haven't read much support, if any, for the wording in the proposed act.
So you don't support it, but you object to people making their objections to it, public.
If you don't support it, perhaps for some of the reasons I have given from my standpoint, then say so.
If you do support the wording then fair enough, say so.
But don't hide behind nebulous arguments that the police will not actually do that. They will, because they will have to, by law. (Whether the CPS would actually prosecute any is another matter, as any female victim of attacks will tell you)
I would argue that any free thinking democrat would object to this proposal in committee stage.
You may well argue the opposite, but do so. Not pick on Purdown who chooses to be active. I suspect she may well be a lot younger than many of us on here, therefore will be the ones who have live with government acts like this for many years to come. Not us.
Just like the families of the kids we sent to die in 2003. Under this law, if passed, any of us could be arrested for being a "nuisance" if we made public our objections to that government decision.
I guess the bottom line is that history tells us that only action stops governments from acting with a "Carte Blanche", walk over our rights of freedom of assembly and association.
You takes your choice, live with it. Just don't criticise or try to deny others for making a choice.
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