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Post by baggins on Apr 2, 2021 10:53:07 GMT
A 25-year-old man has been charged with attempted arson with intent to endanger life in connection with an incident in which a lit item was placed under an occupied police van. The incident happened during a violent disorder in Bridewell Street, Bristol, on Sunday 21 March. He was arrested in Plymouth, nice and local.😐 Essential travel, obviously. |
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Post by oldgas on Apr 2, 2021 19:01:13 GMT
I was pointing out that a total Communist state like China books no argument and was quite happy to slaughter protesters by crushing them with tanks the last time they had a mainland riot. With communism there is no meeting half way. The state is in control, is always right and therefore demonstration is a crime against the state and will be ruthlessly put down. To describe that as a diatribe and waffle is therefore ridiculous. As for Hong Kong, you must be aware there were a number of conditions and guarantees signed up to by the Chinese when we handed the province over. They have had to abide by them to maintain international credibility while they built their power. Now they are mostly unassailable both militarily and through world trade influence they had the excuse they needed and dealt with the Hong Kong protests. They put their troops in there and I don’t suppose they’ll ever leave. Hong Kong has gone, and I don’t suppose Taiwan will last as long as another decade before they’re subsumed. To say that the laws on protesting in this country being adjusted to account for the new wave and level of lawlessness to deal with those factors can be equated with the actions of China, however loosely, is ridiculous. I can’t believe that a libertarian like yourself would be anything other than horrified by China’s actions, and would expect you to condemn anyone who lauds the communist system as anything other than horrendous and a blight on humanity. But there you go. Not the incident itself but your way of equating it in the earlier post, then you claim I am trying to equate it. On the subject of China, yes I am appalled by their actions, historically and now, and have grave concerns over their growing influence worldwide. To suggest that I am in any way 'lauding' is wrong. If you are trying to imply I am then you have misread what I have said. I’ve said I consider you a Libertarian. Surely as such you can recognise, given the way protesting has developed in this country, there is a need for legislation to deal with this change. In that sense, I don’t think the legislation will be draconian, and will help ensure that everybody else in the area, and the vast majority to boot, aren’t overly inconvenienced. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 2, 2021 22:21:22 GMT
Not the incident itself but your way of equating it in the earlier post, then you claim I am trying to equate it. On the subject of China, yes I am appalled by their actions, historically and now, and have grave concerns over their growing influence worldwide. To suggest that I am in any way 'lauding' is wrong. If you are trying to imply I am then you have misread what I have said. I’ve said I consider you a Libertarian. Surely as such you can recognise, given the way protesting has developed in this country, there is a need for legislation to deal with this change. In that sense, I don’t think the legislation will be draconian, and will help ensure that everybody else in the area, and the vast majority to boot, aren’t overly inconvenienced. I wouldn't call myself a libertarian, at least as far as I understand the term. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 2, 2021 22:41:35 GMT
I’ve said I consider you a Libertarian. Surely as such you can recognise, given the way protesting has developed in this country, there is a need for legislation to deal with this change. In that sense, I don’t think the legislation will be draconian, and will help ensure that everybody else in the area, and the vast majority to boot, aren’t overly inconvenienced. I wouldn't call myself a libertarian, at least as far as I understand the term. I dont think he understands the term |
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 3, 2021 1:44:10 GMT
I’ve said I consider you a Libertarian. Surely as such you can recognise, given the way protesting has developed in this country, there is a need for legislation to deal with this change. In that sense, I don’t think the legislation will be draconian, and will help ensure that everybody else in the area, and the vast majority to boot, aren’t overly inconvenienced. I wouldn't call myself a libertarian, at least as far as I understand the term. I've been labelled Libertarian by posters on here, I can only assume it as some sort of dig. Most people have Libertarian stances, certainly socially, most people commenting on these threads judging by their posts have skepticism of authority, Governmental and state power. I would hazard a guess that most are also in favour of freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. That's basically what a Libertarian is. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 3, 2021 8:47:33 GMT
I wouldn't call myself a libertarian, at least as far as I understand the term. I've been labelled Libertarian by posters on here, I can only assume it as some sort of dig. Most people have Libertarian stances, certainly socially, most people commenting on these threads judging by their posts have skepticism of authority, Governmental and state power. I would hazard a guess that most are also in favour of freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. That's basically what a Libertarian is. It's too broad a term and my own views too varied to be pigeon holed. I'm certainly not sceptical of authority in the general sense and feel there is a happy medium between individual choice and state support. Maybe it's a typo and he meant to write librarian. 😇 |
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Post by oldie on Apr 3, 2021 8:56:18 GMT
I've been labelled Libertarian by posters on here, I can only assume it as some sort of dig. Most people have Libertarian stances, certainly socially, most people commenting on these threads judging by their posts have skepticism of authority, Governmental and state power. I would hazard a guess that most are also in favour of freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. That's basically what a Libertarian is. It's too broad a term and my own views too varied to be pigeon holed. I'm certainly not sceptical of authority in the general sense and feel there is a happy medium between individual choice and state support. Maybe it's a typo and he meant to write librarian. 😇 😅😅😅😅 |
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Post by oldgas on Apr 3, 2021 9:44:28 GMT
I wouldn't call myself a libertarian, at least as far as I understand the term. I've been labelled Libertarian by posters on here, I can only assume it as some sort of dig. Most people have Libertarian stances, certainly socially, most people commenting on these threads judging by their posts have skepticism of authority, Governmental and state power. I would hazard a guess that most are also in favour of freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. That's basically what a Libertarian is. Which is what I meant. I heard Grover wanted to be a Librarian, but he never got past the section on how to manage a haulage company. |
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Post by oldgas on Apr 3, 2021 10:26:36 GMT
I’ve said I consider you a Libertarian. Surely as such you can recognise, given the way protesting has developed in this country, there is a need for legislation to deal with this change. In that sense, I don’t think the legislation will be draconian, and will help ensure that everybody else in the area, and the vast majority to boot, aren’t overly inconvenienced. I wouldn't call myself a libertarian, at least as far as I understand the term. What do you understand it to mean? |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 3, 2021 10:35:39 GMT
The libertarian term has been hijacked by those on the far right in the US . Claiming they are libertarians because they should be free to think
and say what they like ( normally racist stuff ) and have the right to have guns etc
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 3, 2021 11:06:27 GMT
I wouldn't call myself a libertarian, at least as far as I understand the term. What do you understand it to mean? Too simple a statement as there are many subgroups, some with conflicting ideals. In basic terms, someone who wants minimum state involvement, low taxes and individualism. Some would reverse the welfare state, some want to end capitalism and some think we are free to exploit natural resources. What have I written to give you that thought and do you see it as a positive, negative or neutral term? What is your definition? |
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Post by oldgas on Apr 3, 2021 11:16:16 GMT
Why didn’t you put the whole of my post on here rather than a segment you know doesn’t represent the totality of the post and was obviously chosen by you to try and prove you’re point? Also, why don’t you put up Oldies final post on that thread, the one to which I referred and let people make their own minds up. Go on, it’s on page 45 of the Brexit and the whole wide world thread. Once again, you have already been called out on that forum for devious behaviour and you seem to have disappeared from there and taken your posts with you. Something to hide? Because thats the only part that was relevant to Oldie, the rest was about Yatton. Prove me wrong. I haven't needed to prove a point, you've made it yourself for all to see. Regarding Oldie's post on there, it might actually surprise you that I don't go on there very often - only when I'm accused of things, so I haven't seen it. As you seem to know it so well, why don't you bring it up? The fact is that you used someones personal life to score a political point, then you bragged about how you wouldn't do something like that. It's genuinely disgusting that you'd do that for your own gain. Will you apologise to Oldie? Will you admit that this makes you look "silly" - as you put it? They can call me out whatever they want, I'm here - always have been. It was they who left the forum, they know where to find me. Or actually, turns out they don't. As another poster on here said to me at the time, "living in their heads rent free". Common theme among you lot. I see you've swerved this post. I wonder why? Perhaps its because it shows the reason why Oldie left that forum and that was what I commented on. You say you don’t spend any time on that forum, but you were on there long enough to edit my post then put it on here, as well as removing your posts where you’d been found out and admonished by the Mod.. So go on, as you think Oldies post on page 45 and my post on 49 prove your point, reproduce them on here. You have said I only mentioned Oldie and the rest of the post is about Yatton. I didn’t even mention Yatton.Prove you’re right. You don’t usually dodge such an opportunity. Again, I wonder why? |
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Post by oldgas on Apr 3, 2021 11:22:06 GMT
What do you understand it to mean? Too simple a statement as there are many subgroups, some with conflicting ideals. In basic terms, someone who wants minimum state involvement, low taxes and individualism. Some would reverse the welfare state, some want to end capitalism and some think we are free to exploit natural resources. What have I written to give you that thought and do you see it as a positive, negative or neutral term? What is your definition? I’m not using the term in a derogatory manner. You seem an open-minded person who I don’t think welcomes over interference by the state where it isn’t required, and believe people should be free to make a success of themselves without the state seeking to confiscate the result of their success to redistribute according to some left wing dogma. That’s pretty much how I feel, as well as being happy to pay towards the health service and to help those in genuine need but not to provide lazy, idle **** with a lifestyle choice off the back of my labours. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 3, 2021 11:26:44 GMT
Because thats the only part that was relevant to Oldie, the rest was about Yatton. Prove me wrong. I haven't needed to prove a point, you've made it yourself for all to see. Regarding Oldie's post on there, it might actually surprise you that I don't go on there very often - only when I'm accused of things, so I haven't seen it. As you seem to know it so well, why don't you bring it up? The fact is that you used someones personal life to score a political point, then you bragged about how you wouldn't do something like that. It's genuinely disgusting that you'd do that for your own gain. Will you apologise to Oldie? Will you admit that this makes you look "silly" - as you put it? They can call me out whatever they want, I'm here - always have been. It was they who left the forum, they know where to find me. Or actually, turns out they don't. As another poster on here said to me at the time, "living in their heads rent free". Common theme among you lot. I see you've swerved this post. I wonder why? Perhaps its because it shows the reason why Oldie left that forum and that was what I commented on. You say you don’t spend any time on that forum, but you were on there long enough to edit my post then put it on here, as well as removing your posts where you’d been found out and admonished by the Mod.. So go on, as you think Oldies post on page 45 and my post on 49 prove your point, reproduce them on here. You have said I only mentioned Oldie and the rest of the post is about Yatton. I didn’t even mention Yatton.Prove you’re right. You don’t usually dodge such an opportunity. Again, I wonder why? Why on earth should I be a topic of conversation? The reasons I took a break from this and the other forum were combination of personal pressures and a need to reset, I found myself becoming angry and thats a dead end. My reasons though are irrelevant in the greater scheme of things and I would appreciate you refraining from speculating on a public forum. Thank you in advance. |
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Post by oldgas on Apr 3, 2021 12:18:16 GMT
The libertarian term has been hijacked by those on the far right in the US . Claiming they are libertarians because they should be free to think and say what they like ( normally racist stuff ) and have the right to have guns etc Who gives a flying what the Yanks have done? All that does is give fools in this country who have been manipulated by the far left the confidence to accuse anyone they don’t like of being racist. |
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Post by oldgas on Apr 3, 2021 13:15:21 GMT
I see you've swerved this post. I wonder why? Perhaps its because it shows the reason why Oldie left that forum and that was what I commented on. You say you don’t spend any time on that forum, but you were on there long enough to edit my post then put it on here, as well as removing your posts where you’d been found out and admonished by the Mod.. So go on, as you think Oldies post on page 45 and my post on 49 prove your point, reproduce them on here. You have said I only mentioned Oldie and the rest of the post is about Yatton. I didn’t even mention Yatton.Prove you’re right. You don’t usually dodge such an opportunity. Again, I wonder why? Why on earth should I be a topic of conversation? The reasons I took a break from this and the other forum were combination of personal pressures and a need to reset, I found myself becoming angry and thats a dead end. My reasons though are irrelevant in the greater scheme of things and I would appreciate you refraining from speculating on a public forum. Thank you in advance. The topic of this conversation was my comment on your post on another forum which some on here jumped on with undisguised delight because it was apparently my GGMI moment, whatever that is. Chiefly your mate Gassy, who is quite content to snoop around on other forums for posts which he can edit to prove what he’s saying. Unfortunately for him he had made himself a total prat on that other forum by posting rubbish (what’s new) under a different name. Unluckily for him someone realised what he was up to and called him out with the result he was admonished by one of the mods. All the posts in question have now been removed. I wonder who did that? In order to defend myself I’ve also gone onto the other forum and seen for myself what he’s trying to do. It’s unfortunate if you feel uncomfortable your post is being discussed but you’ve got your mate Gassy to thank for that. Gassy’s a big boy and you should let him answer for himself. I suggest you go back to your PM conversation and advise him he’s on his own. All he has to do to prove his point is transfer those 2 posts here. For information they’re on pages 45 and 49 of the Brexit and the whole wide world thread. I really don’t understand his reticence, normally he would be all over this like a tramp on chips. |
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Post by oldie on Apr 3, 2021 13:28:31 GMT
Why on earth should I be a topic of conversation? The reasons I took a break from this and the other forum were combination of personal pressures and a need to reset, I found myself becoming angry and thats a dead end. My reasons though are irrelevant in the greater scheme of things and I would appreciate you refraining from speculating on a public forum. Thank you in advance. The topic of this conversation was my comment on your post on another forum which some on here jumped on with undisguised delight because it was apparently my GGMI moment, whatever that is. Chiefly your mate Gassy, who is quite content to snoop around on other forums for posts which he can edit to prove what he’s saying. Unfortunately for him he had made himself a total prat on that other forum by posting rubbish (what’s new) under a different name. Unluckily for him someone realised what he was up to and called him out with the result he was admonished by one of the mods. All the posts in question have now been removed. I wonder who did that? In order to defend myself I’ve also gone onto the other forum and seen for myself what he’s trying to do. It’s unfortunate if you feel uncomfortable your post is being discussed but you’ve got your mate Gassy to thank for that. Gassy’s a big boy and you should let him answer for himself. I suggest you go back to your PM conversation and advise him he’s on his own. All he has to do to prove his point is transfer those 2 posts here. For information they’re on pages 45 and 49 of the Brexit and the whole wide world thread. I really don’t understand his reticence, normally he would be all over this like a tramp on chips. I have no idea what you are talking about. Your convoluted reasoning made no sense to me. I am just asking you politely to refrain from invoking my reasons for taking a break in whatever disputes you may have with others. Thank you |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 3, 2021 13:46:16 GMT
*sigh*
I’m actually taking the weekend off from the forum (and rovers) but thought I’d answer the bullshit from OldGas quickly.
I haven’t swerved anything. I responded to your post, you didn’t reply - so how did I swerve. I also cannot edit posts on the other forum, only on here. I thought that much was simple and obvious.
I go onto the other forum when someone points me to something on there, and that’s it. And finally, you mentioned the other forum - not me. I quote your post, which referred to the other forum. Therefore it’s you - but I guess that is too difficult to understand for you.
Enjoy your weekend.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 3, 2021 13:59:37 GMT
The libertarian term has been hijacked by those on the far right in the US . Claiming they are libertarians because they should be free to think and say what they like ( normally racist stuff ) and have the right to have guns etc Who gives a flying what the Yanks have done? All that does is give fools in this country who have been manipulated by the far left the confidence to accuse anyone they don’t like of being racist. Haha 😆 |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 3, 2021 14:07:27 GMT
*sigh* I’m actually taking the weekend off from the forum (and rovers) but thought I’d answer the bullshit from OldGas quickly. I haven’t swerved anything. I responded to your post, you didn’t reply - so how did I swerve. I also cannot edit posts on the other forum, only on here. I thought that much was simple and obvious. I go onto the other forum when someone points me to something on there, and that’s it. And finally, you mentioned the other forum - not me. I quote your post, which referred to the other forum. Therefore it’s you - but I guess that is too difficult to understand for you. Enjoy your weekend. The bloke is a complete fool , always claiming people are editing his posts and saying people are posting under different names . All without absolutely any proof what so ever . That other chap ‘Henry’ was saying I was posting under a different name and he’d worked out who it was 😂. I asked for proof ( at its complete hogwash) and he’s disappeared. Towngas ran off to the other forum whinging and whining how everyone on here was picking on him , yet comes on here saying how he’s socking it to all us Marxist Lefties . I’ll give him some credit though , he’s good for the comedy element. |
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