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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 15:34:55 GMT
Will be interesting if the original source of this disinformation is identified and the media chase this story. What if the source is the media? Government - police - media = Attachment Deleted |
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Post by henry on Mar 25, 2021 15:40:05 GMT
Who are the ‘big boys’ you refer to Stuart? Apple, Samsung,Starbucks, costa, Amazon, BP, shell, TUI, etc.? What I can’t get my head around is the exact same people, not all obviously, who protest against these big organisations have a mobile phone, drink in Costa and buy from Amazon, drive cars/vans and fly to foreign destinations! It makes their political protest pointless and hypocritical. As for Government decisions and laws so be it, we elect which Party is in power through ‘democracy’ and we should be law abiding and accept. As i pointed out in another post, these protest are a magnet for extreme groups to infiltrate and go against the establishment something which, I expect, people who should know better are quietly pleased with. If I wanted to change something I personally felt deeply about i would go through the proper channels but I would not chase a lost cause through a protest as i have better things to do with my time and I especially wouldn’t want to be near some of the people shown at that protest with the deadly Covid virus raising its ugly head. The right to protest is part of that fundamental democratic process, the proper channels as you put it. Demonstrations do influence the politicians, not all but many. It's one way of showing the feelings of the electorate both to the powers that be and ourselves. Were you aware of the Bill before? Did you know of its implications? Otherwise it's a letter to your local MP or a online petition, both of which can be ignored too. At least a letter to your local MP or on line petition doesn’t end in the assaults on Police officers and burning out of a Police vehicle! Did you see those people Queuing up to have their photo taken with the burnt out vehicle? There are very serious issues going on in the world which the left has taken an interest in and dragged England down by the scruff of the neck by association which isn’t there. I suggest that instead of destroying their own country and dragging it to its knees with nothing protests they should visit said countries and see if they can really make a difference. I would suggest any Muslim countries which treat woman like pieces of trash, African countries where the slave trade continues ironically by blacks and maybe Saudi Arabia where humans have no rights. Surely if the welfare of humans and their rights is so high on the list they would make an effort? Why the need to make out this country is on a par with America with its racism etc? |
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 15:43:05 GMT
Good news that none of the police officers suffered broken bones or collapsed lungs as reported. Bad news, police were telling lies originally then? Perhaps medical assessments at the time were overly pessimistic. I don’t believe Police Officers would be in a position to make any statement re broken bones and lung punctures. Are you therefore suggesting the medical profession were lying? Id prefer to say there was a mistaken diagnosis that has been corrected, but I appreciate the left would much prefer to peddle crap about Police lies. |
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 15:48:58 GMT
Oldgas The debate on BLM protests has been done to death. The issue is whether we should demonstrate/agitate during a lockdown. I have given my reasons why I, personally, feel this government and its base instincts need to be resisted,lockdown or no lockdown. Let's see if the committee stage review of the proposed legislation deletes/amends the overbearing, authoritarian, wording. Let’s. However and not withstanding the extended BLM debate, I have a right to answer you post, which I did. Do you agree with anything I said? |
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Post by oldie on Mar 25, 2021 16:18:42 GMT
Oldgas The debate on BLM protests has been done to death. The issue is whether we should demonstrate/agitate during a lockdown. I have given my reasons why I, personally, feel this government and its base instincts need to be resisted,lockdown or no lockdown. Let's see if the committee stage review of the proposed legislation deletes/amends the overbearing, authoritarian, wording. Let’s. However and not withstanding the extended BLM debate, I have a right to answer you post, which I did. Do you agree with anything I said? Far be it for me to comment on your right to answer anything. In terms of the content of your post, I would just say it's old ground, so it becomes circular. This is going to be an interesting 12 months and I will be fascinated to watch how this government handles the challenges that will come their way. What will be equally fascinating will be to watch Starmer actually develop real policies that people can vote for, rather than just feasting on beating Johnson up at PMQs once a week. Emmmm |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 25, 2021 16:24:17 GMT
The right to protest is part of that fundamental democratic process, the proper channels as you put it. Demonstrations do influence the politicians, not all but many. It's one way of showing the feelings of the electorate both to the powers that be and ourselves. Were you aware of the Bill before? Did you know of its implications? Otherwise it's a letter to your local MP or a online petition, both of which can be ignored too. At least a letter to your local MP or on line petition doesn’t end in the assaults on Police officers and burning out of a Police vehicle! Did you see those people Queuing up to have their photo taken with the burnt out vehicle? There are very serious issues going on in the world which the left has taken an interest in and dragged England down by the scruff of the neck by association which isn’t there. I suggest that instead of destroying their own country and dragging it to its knees with nothing protests they should visit said countries and see if they can really make a difference. I would suggest any Muslim countries which treat woman like pieces of trash, African countries where the slave trade continues ironically by blacks and maybe Saudi Arabia where humans have no rights. Surely if the welfare of humans and their rights is so high on the list they would make an effort? Why the need to make out this country is on a par with America with its racism etc? Quite a jump from the merits of protesting to comparison with those examples. If we don't have such a problem as other countries (and while we may be better, we still have some way to go) why is that? Perhaps because previous generations fought and won them by protesting. We dilute our hard earned rights at our peril. Blimey, I come across like Sir Charles Walker, Steve Baker, Sir Christopher Chope and Sir Desmond Swayne, all of whom want political protesting to be exempt from lockdown rules. www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/lockdown-restrictions-should-be-eased-to-allow-protests-mps-urge-home-secretary-12251311 |
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Post by oldie on Mar 25, 2021 16:59:38 GMT
At least a letter to your local MP or on line petition doesn’t end in the assaults on Police officers and burning out of a Police vehicle! Did you see those people Queuing up to have their photo taken with the burnt out vehicle? There are very serious issues going on in the world which the left has taken an interest in and dragged England down by the scruff of the neck by association which isn’t there. I suggest that instead of destroying their own country and dragging it to its knees with nothing protests they should visit said countries and see if they can really make a difference. I would suggest any Muslim countries which treat woman like pieces of trash, African countries where the slave trade continues ironically by blacks and maybe Saudi Arabia where humans have no rights. Surely if the welfare of humans and their rights is so high on the list they would make an effort? Why the need to make out this country is on a par with America with its racism etc? Quite a jump from the merits of protesting to comparison with those examples. If we don't have such a problem as other countries (and while we may be better, we still have some way to go) why is that? Perhaps because previous generations fought and won them by protesting. We dilute our hard earned rights at our peril. Blimey, I come across like Sir Charles Walker, Steve Baker, Sir Christopher Chope and Sir Desmond Swayne, all of whom want political protesting to be exempt from lockdown rules. www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/lockdown-restrictions-should-be-eased-to-allow-protests-mps-urge-home-secretary-12251311Some showing their true colours here Stuart. References to skin colour and religion. For far to many, that's what underpins their viewpoints. |
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Post by henry on Mar 25, 2021 17:53:07 GMT
Some showing their true colours here Stuart. References to skin colour and religion. For far to many, that's what underpins their viewpoints. Don’t aim your bigoted undertones towards me there is no need. |
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Post by oldgas on Mar 25, 2021 18:06:07 GMT
Some showing their true colours here Stuart. References to skin colour and religion. For far to many, that's what underpins their viewpoints. Don’t aim your bigoted undertones towards me there is no need. ANd if it was aimed at me I will treat it with the contempt it deserves. If that’s your attitude as far as I’m concerned i5 was better when you’d *** off. |
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Post by henry on Mar 25, 2021 18:28:15 GMT
Don’t aim your bigoted undertones towards me there is no need. ANd if it was aimed at me I will treat it with the contempt it deserves. If that’s your attitude as far as I’m concerned i5 was better when you’d *** off. Half the problem with people like Oldie is that they like to relate what you’ve said to a prejudice of some sort but anyone can see i meant no I’ll towards any colour or religion just pointing out facts which I thought people like him would concur to seeing they sprout as much but I’m obviously wrong. The other half of the problem is being a left wing one viewed bigot. |
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Post by oldie on Mar 25, 2021 19:22:50 GMT
ANd if it was aimed at me I will treat it with the contempt it deserves. If that’s your attitude as far as I’m concerned i5 was better when you’d *** off. Half the problem with people like Oldie is that they like to relate what you’ve said to a prejudice of some sort but anyone can see i meant no I’ll towards any colour or religion just pointing out facts which I thought people like him would concur to seeing they sprout as much but I’m obviously wrong. The other half of the problem is being a left wing one viewed bigot. None of the above. This was a perfectly reasonable conversation about the pros and cons of demonstrating whilst living with a pandemic. Sadly twas you Henry who thought it appropriate to bring Islam into it and slavery in Africa. A bit bizarre, matched only by stating that those of us who hold a view that differs to yours should go live there and learn. I am afraid my friend the bigotry on this thread only eminates from one place, and that's not from our standpoint. It's interesting isn't it. Everytime people like you run out of room you resort to this nonsense. Btw, in closing, I have spent some considerable time living in a Muslim country. (For the umpteenth time). So yes, I do know what it's like, first hand. |
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Post by henry on Mar 25, 2021 21:01:16 GMT
Half the problem with people like Oldie is that they like to relate what you’ve said to a prejudice of some sort but anyone can see i meant no I’ll towards any colour or religion just pointing out facts which I thought people like him would concur to seeing they sprout as much but I’m obviously wrong. The other half of the problem is being a left wing one viewed bigot. None of the above. This was a perfectly reasonable conversation about the pros and cons of demonstrating whilst living with a pandemic. Sadly twas you Henry who thought it appropriate to bring Islam into it and slavery in Africa. A bit bizarre, matched only by stating that those of us who hold a view that differs to yours should go live there and learn. I am afraid my friend the bigotry on this thread only eminates from one place, and that's not from our standpoint. It's interesting isn't it. Everytime people like you run out of room you resort to this nonsense. Btw, in closing, I have spent some considerable time living in a Muslim country. (For the umpteenth time). So yes, I do know what it's like, first hand. All I done was added a twist to the topic which I thought relevant regarding protests and really serious issues. I’ve read through threads on here and it’s plainly obvious that you are every inch a bigot along with your far left friends. You have proved that time and time again, your view is the only view. If I have hit a nerve so be it. |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 25, 2021 21:12:14 GMT
Half the problem with people like Oldie is that they like to relate what you’ve said to a prejudice of some sort but anyone can see i meant no I’ll towards any colour or religion just pointing out facts which I thought people like him would concur to seeing they sprout as much but I’m obviously wrong. The other half of the problem is being a left wing one viewed bigot. None of the above. This was a perfectly reasonable conversation about the pros and cons of demonstrating whilst living with a pandemic. Sadly twas you Henry who thought it appropriate to bring Islam into it and slavery in Africa. A bit bizarre, matched only by stating that those of us who hold a view that differs to yours should go live there and learn. I am afraid my friend the bigotry on this thread only eminates from one place, and that's not from our standpoint. It's interesting isn't it. Everytime people like you run out of room you resort to this nonsense. Btw, in closing, I have spent some considerable time living in a Muslim country. (For the umpteenth time). So yes, I do know what it's like, first hand. As you've probably worked out by now, you just can't have a different opinion to henry without being either called some sort of name (EG bigot, far left, or personal abuse) or he'll claim you're ganging up and he's the victim. Better off leaving it. |
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Post by blueridge on Mar 25, 2021 21:20:41 GMT
Half the problem with people like Oldie is that they like to relate what you’ve said to a prejudice of some sort but anyone can see i meant no I’ll towards any colour or religion just pointing out facts which I thought people like him would concur to seeing they sprout as much but I’m obviously wrong. The other half of the problem is being a left wing one viewed bigot. None of the above. This was a perfectly reasonable conversation about the pros and cons of demonstrating whilst living with a pandemic. Sadly twas you Henry who thought it appropriate to bring Islam into it and slavery in Africa. A bit bizarre, matched only by stating that those of us who hold a view that differs to yours should go live there and learn. I am afraid my friend the bigotry on this thread only eminates from one place, and that's not from our standpoint. It's interesting isn't it. Everytime people like you run out of room you resort to this nonsense. Btw, in closing, I have spent some considerable time living in a Muslim country. (For the umpteenth time). So yes, I do know what it's like, first hand. Mmm - I’m not reading this the same as you Oldie. Like yourself I have lived and worked in a predominant Muslim country - KL in Malaysia and I’ve also worked at length in Rawalpindi before the problems. I still have many Muslim friends living in SE Asia who I’m still in contact with and I found nothing deliberately offensive in the post you are criticising. There is much more offensive posting closer to home by one myopic poster in particular - who I will not even respond to - Some of his postings imo are frankly disgusting. Selamat malam !! |
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Post by henry on Mar 25, 2021 21:36:29 GMT
None of the above. This was a perfectly reasonable conversation about the pros and cons of demonstrating whilst living with a pandemic. Sadly twas you Henry who thought it appropriate to bring Islam into it and slavery in Africa. A bit bizarre, matched only by stating that those of us who hold a view that differs to yours should go live there and learn. I am afraid my friend the bigotry on this thread only eminates from one place, and that's not from our standpoint. It's interesting isn't it. Everytime people like you run out of room you resort to this nonsense. Btw, in closing, I have spent some considerable time living in a Muslim country. (For the umpteenth time). So yes, I do know what it's like, first hand. As you've probably worked out by now, you just can't have a different opinion to henry without being either called some sort of name (EG bigot, far left, or personal abuse) or he'll claim you're ganging up and he's the victim. Better off leaving it. I thought you would’ve poked your unwanted nose in long before now but take it from me, it’s not wanted or needed. And please, cut the ganging up and victim bollocks out as I’m more than capable of looking after myself in any form or fashion. Thank you in advance |
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Post by oldie on Mar 25, 2021 21:49:12 GMT
None of the above. This was a perfectly reasonable conversation about the pros and cons of demonstrating whilst living with a pandemic. Sadly twas you Henry who thought it appropriate to bring Islam into it and slavery in Africa. A bit bizarre, matched only by stating that those of us who hold a view that differs to yours should go live there and learn. I am afraid my friend the bigotry on this thread only eminates from one place, and that's not from our standpoint. It's interesting isn't it. Everytime people like you run out of room you resort to this nonsense. Btw, in closing, I have spent some considerable time living in a Muslim country. (For the umpteenth time). So yes, I do know what it's like, first hand. Mmm - I’m not reading this the same as you Oldie. Like yourself I have lived and worked in a predominant Muslim country - KL in Malaysia and I’ve also worked at length in Rawalpindi before the problems. I still have many Muslim friends living in SE Asia who I’m still in contact with and I found nothing deliberately offensive in the post you are criticising. There is much more offensive posting closer to home by one myopic poster in particular - who I will not even respond to - Some of his postings imo are frankly disgusting. Selamat malam !! I really liked KL and Malaysia in general. Back in 2012 we had a contract with Shell in Brunei which was "dry". Every weekend we used to leg it over the border to a town called Miri, Sarawak, which was the wild west. Ice cold beer in 90 degree heat....by the gallon🤪 |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 25, 2021 21:49:41 GMT
As you've probably worked out by now, you just can't have a different opinion to henry without being either called some sort of name (EG bigot, far left, or personal abuse) or he'll claim you're ganging up and he's the victim. Better off leaving it. I thought you would’ve poked your unwanted nose in long before now but take it from me, it’s not wanted or needed. And please, cut the ganging up and victim bollocks out as I’m more than capable of looking after myself in any form or fashion. Thank you in advance Poked my nose in? Why, am I not allowed to comment on a forum in an open debate? If you wanted a private chat, I suggest you PM people next time. On your 2nd point, are you trying to threaten me or something? 😂 |
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Post by henry on Mar 25, 2021 21:59:03 GMT
I thought you would’ve poked your unwanted nose in long before now but take it from me, it’s not wanted or needed. And please, cut the ganging up and victim bollocks out as I’m more than capable of looking after myself in any form or fashion. Thank you in advance Poked my nose in? Why, am I not allowed to comment on a forum in an open debate? If you wanted a private chat, I suggest you PM people next time. On your 2nd point, are you trying to threaten me or something? 😂 Dear god. I am not a Mod on this forum so no I’m not threatening you, hilarious attempt by the way, but please stop being a drama queen there’s a sad little girl. |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 25, 2021 22:00:55 GMT
Poked my nose in? Why, am I not allowed to comment on a forum in an open debate? If you wanted a private chat, I suggest you PM people next time. On your 2nd point, are you trying to threaten me or something? 😂 Dear god. I am not a Mod on this forum so no I’m not threatening you, hilarious attempt by the way, but please stop being a drama queen there’s a good girl. So only mods can threat? I think it's very belittling and sexist to call a male a good girl as some form of insult. |
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Post by blueridge on Mar 25, 2021 22:10:07 GMT
Mmm - I’m not reading this the same as you Oldie. Like yourself I have lived and worked in a predominant Muslim country - KL in Malaysia and I’ve also worked at length in Rawalpindi before the problems. I still have many Muslim friends living in SE Asia who I’m still in contact with and I found nothing deliberately offensive in the post you are criticising. There is much more offensive posting closer to home by one myopic poster in particular - who I will not even respond to - Some of his postings imo are frankly disgusting. Selamat malam !! I really liked KL and Malaysia in general. Back in 2012 we had a contract with Shell in Brunei which was "dry". Every weekend we used to leg it over the border to a town called Miri, Sarawak, which was the wild west. Ice cold beer in 90 degree heat....by the gallon🤪 I loved my time in Malaysia - a beautiful country. When my first wife was alive she used to come over for holidays which we used to spend on Pangkor Island off the West Coast near Lumut. ‘ ’Pindi’ was much more of a challenge - although the PC Hotel where I stayed/lived used to bring beer to my room in a basket covered by a towel - I had to sign a statement stating I was a Christian - happy days!! |
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