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Post by 4d on Apr 3, 2021 19:43:45 GMT
We didn’t have Rodman at all in October and I think Nicholson started one game. We played 6 league games - 3 wins 2 draws and 1 defeat (to Hull).in the 6 games we scored 8 goals with Hanlan and Daly getting 3 each. Not saying its a great squad but it’s good enough to average a point a game. Since that spell Hanlan seems to have forgotten how to score, not sure you can blame PT or JB for the fact Hanlan's now turned into a poorer version of Tom Nichols, although that seems his usual standard anyway. As far as October's fixtures Nicholson figured in most games, the only players who appear to have been missing where Rodman and Ayunga, who hardly figured when he was fit anyway. It seems BG had a virtually full fit squad to pick from with even Oztumer fully fit at that time. Nicholson wasn’t fit in October... www.google.com/amp/s/www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nicholson-injury-woes-bristol-rovers-4661303.amp
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 3, 2021 19:55:59 GMT
Since that spell Hanlan seems to have forgotten how to score, not sure you can blame PT or JB for the fact Hanlan's now turned into a poorer version of Tom Nichols, although that seems his usual standard anyway. As far as October's fixtures Nicholson figured in most games, the only players who appear to have been missing where Rodman and Ayunga, who hardly figured when he was fit anyway. It seems BG had a virtually full fit squad to pick from with even Oztumer fully fit at that time. Nicholson wasn’t fit in October... www.google.com/amp/s/www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nicholson-injury-woes-bristol-rovers-4661303.ampSeemingly not fully fit but fit enough to make appearances from the subs bench, a luxury Barton hasn't got. I don't got Carlts and your obsession with trying to prove Garner shouldn't have been dismissed, I assume you both realise that nobody on the forum had any involvement in his dismissal, unless you think Wael &/or Starnes are forum members?
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 3, 2021 20:03:42 GMT
Isn’t that what the forum is for? Analysing the decisions / performances / appointments and giving an opinion.
The decision to sack a manager after 11 games following a summer revamp has sent us down. I would be saying the same thing if Tisdale was the summer manager or Barton.
Letting a manager recruit to a style and type then sacking them 2 months later is criminal and has relegated us.
If we go down, Barton will revamp and if he is struggling after 3 months we will probably sack him.
The likes of you will still be blaming the individual manager, still not understanding the bigger problem. I can’t speak for 4d but my issue is not the sacking of garner it was the sacking of a young, improving manager given the summer to revamp the squad.
A manager that the players and coaching staff backed as they realised you need more than a few months to make that sort of seismic change required by the board.
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Post by 4d on Apr 3, 2021 20:14:08 GMT
Seemingly not fully fit but fit enough to make appearances from the subs bench, a luxury Barton hasn't got. I don't got Carlts and your obsession with trying to prove Garner shouldn't have been dismissed, I assume you both realise that nobody on the forum had any involvement in his dismissal, unless you think Wael &/or Starnes are forum members? I guess it’s just offering an alternative the the obsession the majority have on here of still blaming Garner for absolutely everything that is wrong despite the fact he left almost 6 months ago, we’ve had a transfer window since then and a lot of the awful mistakes in the past months were from players that were either here before he arrived or signed after he left. In short, I’m pretty sure I’d never post another pro Garner comment if someone else didn’t post a negative one first. However, with relegation looking likely there’s naturally going to be a discussion amongst fans about what went wrong and I’ll continue to offer my view that Garner shouldn’t have been sacked when he was
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 3, 2021 20:16:08 GMT
Isn’t that what the forum is for? Analysing the decisions / performances / appointments and giving an opinion. The decision to sack a manager after 11 games following a summer revamp has sent us down. I would be saying the same thing if Tisdale was the summer manager or Barton. Letting a manager recruit to a style and type then sacking them 2 months later is criminal and has relegated us. If we go down, Barton will revamp and if he is struggling after 3 months we will probably sack him. The likes of you will still be blaming the individual manager, still not understanding the bigger problem. I can’t speak for 4d but my issue is not the sacking of garner it was the sacking of a young, improving manager given the summer to revamp the squad. A manager that the players and coaching staff backed as they realised you need more than a few months to make that sort of seismic change required by the board. How were we improving? If Garner was improving it certainly didnt reflect on the pitch. Drew 1-1 to rock bottom Burton follwed by 3 home defeats in a row and just about clung on to beat an average L2 side in the FA Cup.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 20:18:46 GMT
Seemingly not fully fit but fit enough to make appearances from the subs bench, a luxury Barton hasn't got. I don't got Carlts and your obsession with trying to prove Garner shouldn't have been dismissed, I assume you both realise that nobody on the forum had any involvement in his dismissal, unless you think Wael &/or Starnes are forum members? .....and not everyone gets your obsession of arguing against virtually everything anyone else posts!!!
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 3, 2021 20:24:17 GMT
Isn’t that what the forum is for? Analysing the decisions / performances / appointments and giving an opinion. The decision to sack a manager after 11 games following a summer revamp has sent us down. I would be saying the same thing if Tisdale was the summer manager or Barton. Letting a manager recruit to a style and type then sacking them 2 months later is criminal and has relegated us. If we go down, Barton will revamp and if he is struggling after 3 months we will probably sack him. The likes of you will still be blaming the individual manager, still not understanding the bigger problem. I can’t speak for 4d but my issue is not the sacking of garner it was the sacking of a young, improving manager given the summer to revamp the squad. A manager that the players and coaching staff backed as they realised you need more than a few months to make that sort of seismic change required by the board. How were we improving? If Garner was improving it certainly didnt reflect on the pitch. Drew 1-1 to rock bottom Burton follwed by 3 home defeats in a row and just about clung on to beat an average L2 side in the FA Cup. I can’t keep repeating myself. Garner first season versus Garner second season = Much improved. Unbeaten against teams below 10th. Beaten Lincoln away. Drew with Sunderland away. The 5 defeats came against teams mainly in and around the top 5. Still in the FA cup. Only lost one in 6 of the league games in October (the last full month prior to sacking).
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 3, 2021 20:47:41 GMT
How were we improving? If Garner was improving it certainly didnt reflect on the pitch. Drew 1-1 to rock bottom Burton follwed by 3 home defeats in a row and just about clung on to beat an average L2 side in the FA Cup. I can’t keep repeating myself. Garner first season versus Garner second season = Much improved. Unbeaten against teams below 10th. Beaten Lincoln away. Drew with Sunderland away. The 5 defeats came against teams mainly in and around the top 5. Still in the FA cup. Only lost one in 6 of the league games in October (the last full month prior to sacking). You keep mentioning Octobers fixtures but apart from Lincoln and Hull the rest were pretty poor in Northampton, Burton, Shrewsbury (who pretty much outplayed us) and Rochdale.
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Post by Somersetgas on Apr 3, 2021 20:55:01 GMT
Isn’t that what the forum is for? Analysing the decisions / performances / appointments and giving an opinion. The decision to sack a manager after 11 games following a summer revamp has sent us down. I would be saying the same thing if Tisdale was the summer manager or Barton. Letting a manager recruit to a style and type then sacking them 2 months later is criminal and has relegated us. If we go down, Barton will revamp and if he is struggling after 3 months we will probably sack him. The likes of you will still be blaming the individual manager, still not understanding the bigger problem. I can’t speak for 4d but my issue is not the sacking of garner it was the sacking of a young, improving manager given the summer to revamp the squad. A manager that the players and coaching staff backed as they realised you need more than a few months to make that sort of seismic change required by the board. Improving Manager? In what way? The mans a disgrace with the squad he left, three strikers, two who had never scored a senior goal before the season started. He should never manage another club again, your obsession with him is most odd.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 21:08:16 GMT
In I think he can improve us, once he gets the opportunity to bring players of his choice into the squad, and hopefully ditch some of the dead wood. He'll bring in a different type of player than BG did, players with fire in their belly, and a few with experience to help bring the younger lads on. I don't think anything will be achieved by changing the manager yet again. What is it, in Barton's history of recruiting players, that gives you such positivity? JB recruited a blend of players at Fleetwood, some young, some experienced, and I would expect that most had a backbone. I've no idea how it will pan out, however, I think that giving him the opportunity is better than throwing everything up in the air and bringing somebody else in.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 3, 2021 21:17:02 GMT
Looking at the voting on here ( a small sample of the fan base but telling none the less ) it’s a resounding YES vote for Joey . Those that want him out should take notice that they’re in a small minority and just lay low for a while . Things might well change next season after 10 or so games but it’s pretty obvious the vast majority want to give him a go next season in this division or the one below .
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Post by orgasmic on Apr 3, 2021 21:59:18 GMT
Looking at the voting on here ( a small sample of the fan base but telling none the less ) it’s a resounding YES vote for Joey . Those that want him out should take notice that they’re in a small minority and just lay low for a while . Things might well change next season after 10 or so games but it’s pretty obvious the vast majority want to give him a go next season in this division or the one below . I don’t want a manager merry go round so would stick with him but why should anyone not give their opinion on a forum just because they are in the minority or because you say so? Bloody dictator!!
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Post by barumgas on Apr 3, 2021 22:09:14 GMT
It's definately an INN for me on the 12th April
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Post by socrates on Apr 3, 2021 22:18:25 GMT
I do find it funny how 'supporting Rovers' is being used as a way to bash people who don't rate JB, and yet some of the people who do rate JB seem to be extremely free with their criticism of the players, and others. How does that work? Is it ok to slag off the players, the board, the owner, etc, as much as we want, but suddenly slagging off the manager is tantamount to being anti-Rovers. I feel like a lot of the JB supporters are as knee-jerk and ill-thought-out with their comments as our manager is: just say the first thing that comes into your head and feel free to criticise anyone who disagrees or anyone you can to big up yourself. (Not suggesting everyone who backs JB is doing this.) I don’t want us to sack Barton because he’s our third manager this season and he’s only had 10 games. If we keep sacking managers at that rate we will end up in the conference. It’s ludicrous to even suggest sacking him before he’s had a transfer window and a decent run of games after in my opinion. We’re already a laughing stock for what’s happened this last 15 months imagine if we sacked another. Each to their own and I realise a lot of people don’t like him but to me it’s more about what I want for the club than whether I like him or not. I never really took to Trollop or Coughlan as people / press conferences but I liked them because they were quite successful. This isn’t Barton’s squad it’s Garners / Tisdales/ TW. I want us to stick with this manager and let him build a squad for next season, not anyone else, our manager.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 3, 2021 22:55:36 GMT
Looking at the voting on here ( a small sample of the fan base but telling none the less ) it’s a resounding YES vote for Joey . Those that want him out should take notice that they’re in a small minority and just lay low for a while . Things might well change next season after 10 or so games but it’s pretty obvious the vast majority want to give him a go next season in this division or the one below . I don’t want a manager merry go round so would stick with him but why should anyone not give their opinion on a forum just because they are in the minority or because you say so? Bloody dictator!! Pipe down you muppet 😂
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Post by GasAttacK on Apr 3, 2021 23:01:22 GMT
Looking at the voting on here ( a small sample of the fan base but telling none the less ) it’s a resounding YES vote for Joey . Those that want him out should take notice that they’re in a small minority and just lay low for a while . Things might well change next season after 10 or so games but it’s pretty obvious the vast majority want to give him a go next season in this division or the one below . I don’t want a manager merry go round so would stick with him but why should anyone not give their opinion on a forum just because they are in the minority or because you say so? Bloody dictator!! I think what he's trying to say is that calling for the managers head after a little over 5 weeks is probably pointless and not going to help.
If Barton & co have been brought in on 2.5 year contracts for the 'big reset' does anybody really think Wael is going to sack them before they've even had chance to start?
Yes, Wael will no doubt be disappointed if we go down but I'm sure he's watched the games and realises we're actually playing much better and most of the problems are out of the current managers control, at least until the summer.
Too many of our players are either inconsistant, prone to moments of madness or simply not good enough. When you factor in the players out injured (Ehmer, Kilgour, Baldwin, Rodman, Grant, Nicholson) and others not 100% fit (Hanlan, Oztumer), then it's little wonder we're struggling to get results.
Those who think he'll fail may eventually be proved right but lets at least give Barton & co a chance.
If we sack a third manager in 5 months I can't see many queueing up for the job, particularly with half the budget being spent on paying off Garner, Tisdale, Barton, Hill and Mangan.
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Post by orgasmic on Apr 4, 2021 4:38:05 GMT
I don’t want a manager merry go round so would stick with him but why should anyone not give their opinion on a forum just because they are in the minority or because you say so? Bloody dictator!! I think what he's trying to say is that calling for the managers head after a little over 5 weeks is probably pointless and not going to help.
If Barton & co have been brought in on 2.5 year contracts for the 'big reset' does anybody really think Wael is going to sack them before they've even had chance to start?
Yes, Wael will no doubt be disappointed if we go down but I'm sure he's watched the games and realises we're actually playing much better and most of the problems are out of the current managers control, at least until the summer.
Too many of our players are either inconsistant, prone to moments of madness or simply not good enough. When you factor in the players out injured (Ehmer, Kilgour, Baldwin, Rodman, Grant, Nicholson) and others not 100% fit (Hanlan, Oztumer), then it's little wonder we're struggling to get results.
Those who think he'll fail may eventually be proved right but lets at least give Barton & co a chance.
If we sack a third manager in 5 months I can't see many queueing up for the job, particularly with half the budget being spent on paying off Garner, Tisdale, Barton, Hill and Mangan. To be clear I don’t think we should sack him and was a little tongue in cheek which from the reply think Yatton got! To play devil’s advocate though he had publicly slated Ehmer before his injury, Kilgour has only missed one game, Rodman missed months of the season before JB, Grant was carrying the injury for most of PT time at the club and Nicholson has been in and out all season. The flip side of the coin is JB is doing worse with the same group of players than BG or PT and I think we all agree they were doing a sh!t job. So why would you trust the ‘big reset’ to someone who is performing worse than BG?! In addition to performing worse than BG he also has had no success as a manager, has a history of running his mouth off and has zero experience in L2?
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Post by yetigas on Apr 4, 2021 7:34:26 GMT
In. Not because he is doing a great job, but because constant changing of managers achieves nothing. I do not accept that the 'the blame lies with BG/PT' - they did not oversee 5 straight defeats. JB is performing poorly - if we go down it will be due to Barton's managerial inability - despite his (and many on here) attempt to blame everyone else but him. Barton needs to own the responsibility for poor team performances, and focus on improving his own. Are you still drunk or summut??? You appy with Ben’s players is you? 🤪🤪🤪 They are not 'Ben's players' they are Bristol Rovers players. Barton's job is to manage them.
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Post by yetigas on Apr 4, 2021 7:39:26 GMT
In without a shadow of doubt at least this guy shows a bit of passion unlike the 2 previous incumbents, as I previously mentioned roll on May 9th so the clear out of this squad can begin UTG Passion? You mean he talks a lot? How about getting a few wins under his belt!!!
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Post by Jomo on Apr 4, 2021 8:57:44 GMT
How were we improving? If Garner was improving it certainly didnt reflect on the pitch. Drew 1-1 to rock bottom Burton follwed by 3 home defeats in a row and just about clung on to beat an average L2 side in the FA Cup. I can’t keep repeating myself. Garner first season versus Garner second season = Much improved. Unbeaten against teams below 10th. Beaten Lincoln away. Drew with Sunderland away. The 5 defeats came against teams mainly in and around the top 5. Still in the FA cup. Only lost one in 6 of the league games in October (the last full month prior to sacking). I can't keep repeating yourself, and yet you do? Why the obsession with defending Garner? Because that's certainly what it seems to be, an obsession. As time goes by, I actually do wonder if we should have given him more time, but the truth is he didn't do a good job. The fact his successors have been even worse is in my view down to the place being too unsettled, not because Garner was better.
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