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Post by peterparker on Apr 17, 2021 6:03:16 GMT
Thought Barton could have been at least a little more tactful when he said that he flipped over from watching Lincoln vs MK Dons (our next two opponents) to watch “real football” in the champions league. As far as I’m concerned Tuesday night League One under the lights is more “real” than watching the overpaid, over-commercialised Champions League footy. Did you see mk dons trying to play out from the back, it was a joke Might have been, but I can imagine the stick another manager would get for saying he switched over the TV to the Champions League to watch 'proper football' There are ways to says things
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 17, 2021 6:19:48 GMT
Did you see mk dons trying to play out from the back, it was a joke Might have been, but I can imagine the stick another manager would get for saying he switched over the TV to the Champions League to watch 'proper football' There are ways to says things Agreed. That was very poor.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Apr 17, 2021 6:23:57 GMT
Surprised there’s not more talk about Barton turning down the job before. I do wonder now, in hindsight if he regrets that? He would have had a transfer window to try and rectify the on field issues. Having said that, I was under the impression that Starnes wanted Tisdale and had no interest in talking to anyone else? I wouldn’t be surprised if they just offered him the job without a proper interview. Maybe these events have turned Weals head and made him doubt those below him and overruled them this time to go and appoint Barton, and more importantly, give him more says in how things are run which I doubt Starnes and TW were too keen on.
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Post by Fat Albert on Apr 17, 2021 6:35:01 GMT
JB has had a completely free hit since he came in, apart from a few no one is blaming him for the likely relegation. He has gotten away with pretty much saying exactly what he wants.
That’s fine with me, however next season the buck stops with him. If he performs and has us at the right end of whichever table then fair enough he is completely vindicated in everything he has said so far.
If we are still awful will he take the criticism or deflect it somewhere else?
Simple as that for me, I like that sort of management personally, people who call it as they see it. But if you call every man and his dog out and then don’t do it when it’s down to you and your team, you’ve dug yourself a pretty big hole and they’ll be plenty ready to bury you in it.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 17, 2021 6:57:17 GMT
Might have been, but I can imagine the stick another manager would get for saying he switched over the TV to the Champions League to watch 'proper football' There are ways to says things Agreed. That was very poor. Disagree. It was forward planning & scouting for 5 yrs time . so little faith 🙄
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Post by yattongas on Apr 17, 2021 6:59:00 GMT
JB has had a completely free hit since he came in, apart from a few no one is blaming him for the likely relegation. He has gotten away with pretty much saying exactly what he wants. That’s fine with me, however next season the buck stops with him. If he performs and has us at the right end of whichever table then fair enough he is completely vindicated in everything he has said so far. If we are still awful will he take the criticism or deflect it somewhere else? Simple as that for me, I like that sort of management personally, people who call it as they see it. But if you call every man and his dog out and then don’t do it when it’s down to you and your team, you’ve dug yourself a pretty big hole and they’ll be plenty ready to bury you in it. UTG This ☝️
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 17, 2021 7:06:17 GMT
Surprised there’s not more talk about Barton turning down the job before. I do wonder now, in hindsight if he regrets that? He would have had a transfer window to try and rectify the on field issues. Having said that, I was under the impression that Starnes wanted Tisdale and had no interest in talking to anyone else? I wouldn’t be surprised if they just offered him the job without a proper interview. Maybe these events have turned Weals head and made him doubt those below him and overruled them this time to go and appoint Barton, and more importantly, give him more says in how things are run which I doubt Starnes and TW were too keen on. I think from the articles at the time it’s plain and clear to see what’s gone on. Starnes and Widdrington see no issue with the staffing - playing, coaching, medical etc. It’s all jobs for the boys. They wanted to keep on a failing set up and were adamant on it. Joey was having none of it and wished to have input at the very least. Having come into the club he now appreciates the issues are top to bottom. I’m not saying everyone at the club needs booting out. We have some quality individuals at the club here from back beyond the Garner era. For instance, Maher played a part in Coughlans rise to 4th, but his name gets dragged through the muck. I’m convinced he’s a quality coach. As are I’m sure the youth setup. In preseason the youth players played better than the first team. In many ways that was telling and they’ve excelled since coming into the fold under Joey. Tisdale, warts aside (and there are some unflattering stories around of his tenure) identified this also and I believe it contributed to his demise. Id rather have a fighter (perhaps not too literally on that one) that knows what he’s doing than a wannabe wet flannel who’s blagged themselves the job of the lifetime and who’s defence is “yeah but he’s a really nice guy” Appointing Garner has done so much damage and it annoys me that the trigger wasn’t pulled in the summer. But I guess it’s telling he was appointed - I can’t imagine many managers would have accepted the situation Joey has come in to find. Time for Starnes and Widdrington to fall on their swords.
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Post by 4d on Apr 17, 2021 8:17:43 GMT
I think Starnes might survive but not Geordie Tommy. It’s noticeable that when Barton talks of the board he only ever mentions Wael and Starnes, like he’s already cut TW out.
“ I had a further conversation with Wael and Martyn and we had a different slant on what I had been told before by other people.”
I took that to mean “Geordie Tommy told me he’d still control recruitment, but Wael and Starnes told me to ignore him.”
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Post by Strange Gas on Apr 17, 2021 8:48:35 GMT
JB has had a completely free hit since he came in, apart from a few no one is blaming him for the likely relegation. He has gotten away with pretty much saying exactly what he wants. That’s fine with me, however next season the buck stops with him. If he performs and has us at the right end of whichever table then fair enough he is completely vindicated in everything he has said so far. If we are still awful will he take the criticism or deflect it somewhere else? Simple as that for me, I like that sort of management personally, people who call it as they see it. But if you call every man and his dog out and then don’t do it when it’s down to you and your team, you’ve dug yourself a pretty big hole and they’ll be plenty ready to bury you in it. UTG 👍 Totally agree. I think what then becomes a good debate is what constitutes success next season. Obviously depends on where we end this. . . Stopping the slide? Mid table? Play offs? I think a good manager (as opposed to a chancer like GC) has to have a realistic target and resources / conditions aligned to hitting that, then be judged accordingly. Wael should be used to that as is how businesses operate, and I assume similar down the road for Ashton. Doing that would be a real step forward in terms of professionalism
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 9:32:25 GMT
Why would Wael have a clue when he's from a banking background and not even based in the UK, he's relying upon the likes of Hamer and Starnes to have the knowledge required to run the club? Perhaps a season too late you have to sense that Barton has highlighted just how poorly the club has been run since the takeover (and probably for years, decades, even before that!). Just a pity we didn't replace GC with an experienced manager as he may have also raised similar concerns. That is true, but surely he as President has to calculate who to employ in order to get the club running in the way he wants. First he brought in Hamer as chairman, that didn't work. He brought in Starnes as CEO and Widdrington as DoF. Well, JB now comes in a says the whole place stinks. Does Wael even know who he can trust? It's all a bit ridiculous in my view. Interesting comments from JB about bringing in a third party to review the structure/infrastructure. I wonder what will come of that. Also interesting that the review is being carried out by someone appointed by Joey not by Starnes or TW. Sound like a take-over attempt by Joey to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 9:34:06 GMT
Looking on the bright side, it Nicholson is out for the start of the season it makes it much more likely we’ll keep him. Thought exactly the same - hopefully puts Hearts off! But the fee will be less in January with only 6 months on contract and playing in basement league.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 10:04:35 GMT
That is true, but surely he as President has to calculate who to employ in order to get the club running in the way he wants. First he brought in Hamer as chairman, that didn't work. He brought in Starnes as CEO and Widdrington as DoF. Well, JB now comes in a says the whole place stinks. Does Wael even know who he can trust? It's all a bit ridiculous in my view. Interesting comments from JB about bringing in a third party to review the structure/infrastructure. I wonder what will come of that. Also interesting that the review is being carried out by someone appointed by Joey not by Starnes or TW. Sound like a take-over attempt by Joey to me. I think that Wael has become aware/had his eyes opened, as to how bad things are behind the scenes. Joey has evidence of what this guy did when he reviewed Fleetwood, so I guess that Wael said to get him in to do the same here. Starnes will be under the microscope, so Wael wouldn't want to risk any more old boys network stuff by letting him organise the review.
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 17, 2021 12:34:14 GMT
If you read back through this forum and BP articles it seems quite likely that the issues were raised by Clarke, Coughlan, Garner and Tisdale...they all quite clearly kept it in house as most professional managers do rather than wash your dirty linen in public.
The only people that needed to hear this from JB was the board. Wael l, Starnes and Widdrington are the only people that can sanction any change including hiring and firing people.
Rumour has it when Coughlan quit the canteen staff were given two weeks off abs the training ground was closed due to bad weather. Coughlan last few weeks and Garners first few would have been training in a sports hall and sending someone to the shop for sandwiches!
JB should keep these matters in house and not embarrass the club.
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Post by Gassy on Apr 17, 2021 12:36:55 GMT
If you read back through this forum and BP articles it seems quite likely that the issues were raised by Clarke, Coughlan, Garner and Tisdale...they all quite clearly kept it in house as most professional managers do rather than wash your dirty linen in public. The only people that needed to hear this from JB was the board. Wael l, Starnes and Widdrington are the only people that can sanction any change including hiring and firing people. Rumour has it when Coughlan quit the canteen staff were given two weeks off abs the training ground was closed due to bad weather. Coughlan last few weeks and Garners first few would have been training in a sports hall and sending someone to the shop for sandwiches! JB should keep these matters in house and not embarrass the club. Yeah, because keeping it quiet and in house really fixed the situation.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 17, 2021 12:41:45 GMT
If you read back through this forum and BP articles it seems quite likely that the issues were raised by Clarke, Coughlan, Garner and Tisdale...they all quite clearly kept it in house as most professional managers do rather than wash your dirty linen in public. The only people that needed to hear this from JB was the board. Wael l, Starnes and Widdrington are the only people that can sanction any change including hiring and firing people. Rumour has it when Coughlan quit the canteen staff were given two weeks off abs the training ground was closed due to bad weather. Coughlan last few weeks and Garners first few would have been training in a sports hall and sending someone to the shop for sandwiches! JB should keep these matters in house and not embarrass the club. Why did you send them all off on holiday then?
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 17, 2021 13:00:55 GMT
If you read back through this forum and BP articles it seems quite likely that the issues were raised by Clarke, Coughlan, Garner and Tisdale...they all quite clearly kept it in house as most professional managers do rather than wash your dirty linen in public. The only people that needed to hear this from JB was the board. Wael l, Starnes and Widdrington are the only people that can sanction any change including hiring and firing people. Rumour has it when Coughlan quit the canteen staff were given two weeks off abs the training ground was closed due to bad weather. Coughlan last few weeks and Garners first few would have been training in a sports hall and sending someone to the shop for sandwiches! JB should keep these matters in house and not embarrass the club. The only embarrassment around here is you. Not as embarrassing as 1 win in 9 on top of 4 wins in his last 21 for your god.
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Post by pirate on Apr 17, 2021 13:37:35 GMT
The only embarrassment around here is you. Not as embarrassing as 1 win in 9 on top of 4 wins in his last 21 for your god. With the pathetic and embarrassing bunch of players you and the other clown Widdrington put together. Should be ashamed of yourself.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 17, 2021 13:40:57 GMT
Not as embarrassing as 1 win in 9 on top of 4 wins in his last 21 for your god. With the pathetic and embarrassing bunch of players you and the other clown Widdrington put together. Should be ashamed of yourself. Ffs would the pair of you grow up it's embarrassing!
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Post by axegas on Apr 17, 2021 13:42:37 GMT
Not as embarrassing as 1 win in 9 on top of 4 wins in his last 21 for your god. With the pathetic and embarrassing bunch of players you and the other clown Widdrington put together. Should be ashamed of yourself. Barton should never have been appointed in the first place, disgraceful decision.
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Post by RD on Apr 17, 2021 13:52:22 GMT
And so the Barton masterclass continues.
Lap it up boys and girls.
What a manager!
Only joking - Everyone knows he's not remotely at fault (even though other managers were).
Great run of results.
Back to throwing everyone under the bus - medical team's fault now!
Certainly not Joey "Pep" Barton tho! Nope, not one bit.
Haters gon' hate. Truth hurts it seems
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